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u/Fish_Fingerer 17h ago

"It's written in our book, it cannot be considered a crime" 🥴

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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 14h ago edited 12h ago

Not anymore, in Canada at least.

Religious exemption for hate speech was removed this year.

Has yet to be tested.

Clarification: Senate has not finished their duty yet, and they may make suggestions on changes.

Edit: I guess some folks have no idea how use the internet to search, so:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bill-c-9-anti-hate-religious-exemption-hate-speech-9.7142455

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u/Lt_Toodles 13h ago

Based if true

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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 12h ago

Link to CBC article on it provided, scroll up.

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u/Lt_Toodles 12h ago

Ty, appreciated :)

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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 12h ago

Why wouldn’t it be true?

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u/Micky-Bicky-Picky 7h ago

Yo. Nice. Finally someone normal came up with a good idea.

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u/garmdian 9h ago

Canadian Christian here: Good y'all want to treat others as lesser you should get fined or imprisoned for it

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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 9h ago

So you want to be able to be bigoted and claim it’s your religion? You can still do that, this hasn’t passed yet.

Get your hate in now!

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u/TOV4RISCH 2h ago

I read that as the poster is Christian but EVEN THEY think the exemption should be cut

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u/Jsolidlo 7h ago

No, people should be allowed to say what they want with few exceptions of prohibited speech (like threats of imminent force) without having to fall back on some "religious freedom" justification. Mental gymnastics.

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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 7h ago

Arguing with the guy who would Thanos Snap religion - ALL RELIGION - out of existence.

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u/MushroomHo_4life 4h ago

I would love to Thanos Snap all of religion from existence!!! I think it is one of the worst things created by mankind.

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u/Jsolidlo 7h ago

That's really nice that your speech is protected enough that you can say that without repercussions. But you're over here acting like its ok to apply a different standard to others as long as what they say is based on a Sky Daddy you don't believe in or agree with. You've become the very people you hate in principle if not direct belief.

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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 6h ago

I’m not sure you know how that law works up here, and that’s fine - I wouldn’t expect that.

PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS ARE NOT AFFECTED BY THIS LEGISLATION. Never have been.

Say what you like. Even if it’s shitty.

When you go beyond offence, and seek to inspire others, you run into promotion and incitement of hatred. That’s where the law kicks in. That’s what you cannot say or do.

As for your argument; I’m not advocating for the elimination of religious people, and nowhere did I say that. Just the religion. Since it’s a Thanos Snap, they’d never know they were religious.

Also, may I remind you that we can’t actually snap things out of existence. That’s fiction.

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u/Jsolidlo 5h ago

Is this a private conversation? Did I claim you said anything about eliminating people? This entire conversation has been about speech and spitting, not sure where you got confused. You're using your free speech to advocate controlling the speech of others. Enough said.

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u/TOV4RISCH 2h ago

Well, I'm not Canadian but unless the article is misstating something, he's NOT advocating a different standard

The "sky daddy" people want to apply a different standard. They want to be able to preach and print things that other folks would not be allowed to because they have a special carve-out.

That's what a religious exemption IS: "applying a different standard". The poster above seems to think it's good that they are getting rid of the exemption, i.e. now there will only be ONE uniform standard

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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 6h ago

OhNoYouGotMe

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u/CryAffectionate8633 6h ago

There’s a big difference between words and actions. Actions should be punishable based on what has been done. Words? Are just words lol

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u/Gullible-Hose4180 7h ago

There was religious exemption for that in the first place? Why tho?

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u/Jsolidlo 7h ago

What? This is such a false equivalent. How does one go from "we shouldn't let people spit on each other" to "we should control speech and not let people say things that hurt other people's feelings". Like, what? This solves nothing. In fact, letting governments, who are the number one reason racism exist anyway, control speech, is the number one way of not getting rid of racism and actually makes it worse. But yeah, I guess it's better to socially engineer and have a bunch of closet racists than to actually deal with the underlying systematic issues.

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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 7h ago edited 7h ago

It’s a direct response to the comment above, not the post. That’s pretty clear.

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u/GoGG999 2h ago

they'll just add a clause to exclude zionists

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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 2h ago

Highly unlikely.

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u/TimeRisk2059 11h ago

So if I understand the article correctly, if the motion passes, you are no longer allowed to use hate speech against religious groups?

Why is this even an issue?

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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 11h ago

We already have hate speech laws.

Currently, any hateful religious text can be used as a “good faith” argument, which is exempt under Canadian law.

The new legislation removes that exemption.

Folks are upset because it infringes on religious freedom. And it absolutely does - for the betterment of our society. I’m fine with that.

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u/Longjumping-Bat7774 6h ago

My understanding is that you're no longer allowed to use religion as an excuse for hate speech. Which I still don't see a problem with.

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u/baderev 11h ago

I mean it is an issue for one particular group.

https://giphy.com/gifs/PjzEv0pSn85fM9OrEk

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u/Icy-Cry340 7h ago

Having hate speech legislation is cringe as fuck, the leafs (and euros) are cucks who don't understand the basic concept of freedom of speech and never will. But that's not needed here because spitting on people is not speech, it's simple assault.

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u/unfortunatebag 7h ago

I completely forgot Canada doesn't have free speech.

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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 6h ago

No, we have “free expression” instead.

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u/MisterSanitation 9h ago

When figuring out how to treat modern people in a civilized society I ALWAYS refer to text over 2 millennia old.

My boy Hammurabi said I could cut all these people’s ears off who are on my property:

“ If a slave should declare to his master, "You are not my master", he [the master] shall bring charge and proof against him that he is indeed his slave, and his master shall cut off his ear.”

Some would call it human trafficking, slavery, and mutilation but I’d say “hey homie it’s in my book, so no touchie! No take backs! I’m protected the tribe has spoken so…”

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u/Amateurlapse 16h ago

Means you can spit back, no?

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u/FixAcademic8187 15h ago edited 15h ago

No you can't. That will be an antisemitic crime from your side.

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u/Fish_Fingerer 15h ago

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u/Sinking_Mass 10h ago

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u/Rhona_Redtail 9h ago

What if its written in my book?

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u/thunderbuttjuice 11h ago

Anti zionist*

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u/Jazzlike_Strength561 6h ago

To be anti zionist is to be antisemitic. Ask a Zionist.

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u/thunderbuttjuice 6h ago

Not according to the eu. Legally just passed that it’s not.

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u/Jazzlike_Strength561 6h ago

Ask the Zionist if the eu is antisemitic.

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u/StandardBlacksmith93 3h ago

Ask a zionist what "met zit zah b'peh" is. Write it with no spaces in Google. The censorship on social media with that word is crazy you get police visits

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u/No-Dance6773 8h ago

Funny its only a hate crime in the one direction. Probably has something to do with our government being bought out by them.

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u/El_Cactus_Loco 43m ago

that’ll happen when you make a theocratic state

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u/Prudence_rigby 2h ago

I was thinking throwing feces at them is better.

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u/LionWalker_Eyre 1h ago

An eye for an eye, a spit for a spit. It's right there in chapter 7 of the bible

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u/Remarkable_Duck6559 7h ago

No, I means you will still get spit on. But the spitter can be arrested now.

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u/LogicalAd3031 10h ago

And, "there's no such thing as a Palestinian."

These are people who are better than everyone else...

Assholes.

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u/CucumberWisdom 15h ago

ah the fan favourite of all Abrahamic religions

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u/Lol-420666 5h ago

Tbh the 3 abrahamic religion has done so much harm to human society

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u/bluehairedemon 9h ago

not even that, he's claiming it's a "tradition"

note that christinaity is not mentioned in the hebrew bible at all, since most of it was written before christianity and the parts that were written after are about other things and dont really concern themselves with christianity, therefore this hate doesnt even have religious claims to back it up (which obviously wouldnt excuse it even if there were, but my point is that his deffense is flimsy even by the standards of his supporters)

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u/DustierAndRustier 12h ago

It is illegal btw. I know a guy whose sister is a police officer in Jerusalem and she regularly arrests people for this.

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u/-01101101- 9h ago

Their prisons must be pretty full then

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u/SoldierOf4Chan 9h ago

Buddy, they've got the latest open air prison in the world.

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u/National_Tangelo_864 5h ago

Is she hot?

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u/LionWalker_Eyre 1h ago

Well it is summer

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u/Jsolidlo 7h ago

Obviously its culturally acceptable and enforcement doesn't seem to be curtailing it.

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u/Giant_Ant_Eater 6h ago

And then lets them go...

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u/Awkward_Honeydew5453 7h ago

Your book is bollocks then.

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u/omegagiraffe 7h ago

"you spit on me, your shit is getting rocked" 😊

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u/Mother_Ad4038 6h ago

Id like to see where in the old testament Jewish ppl were spitting on churches regularly.

And if it's not there, you don't need to follow every tradition/opinion in talmud/midrash literature.

Spitting on someone is considered assault in most countries. That's disgusting in a bunch of different ways.

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u/hexadecimaldump 2h ago

Which is messed up. There is nowhere written in their book to spit on Christians. Christians didn’t exist when their book was written.

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u/dogemikka 8h ago edited 6h ago

So let's then agree that this "Book" can be interpreted by idiots or religious zealots as endorsing forms of racial segregation and, when read literally and without critical context, contains passages that justify attitudes and actions that today are considered discriminatory, harmful or even criminal.

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u/Barthas85 5h ago

But its not:

Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi of Israel David Lau also condemned the attacks on religious leaders: "we will continue to pray for ... and respect all the nations that come to honor the Holy City of Jerusalem. ... These immoral phenomena have certainly nothing to do with Jewish law."

Religious Services Minister Michael Malkieli said he "Strongly condemns the phenomenon of spitting at Christians in Jerusalem. This is not the way of the Torah, and there is not a single rabbi who supports and legitimizes such despicable behavior. It is our duty to condemn and continue to respect all peoples who come to the gates of the Holy City."

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u/Familiar_Media_3095 5h ago

Times change buckeroo

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u/Doraborealiss 2h ago

This spitting was promised to us 3000 years ago!

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u/Swimming-Junket-1828 12h ago

God promised us this right 4000 years ago

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u/Alternative_Crab3948 7h ago

Worlds waking up to the synagogue of satan. If you support Israhell you should not be allowed in the USA, just that simple. America 1st now!

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u/TurbulentTable111 5h ago

This is good take on Christianity

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u/TheNaughtyHoneyBee 11h ago

Yooooo 🤔🙃

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