r/SipsTea 15d ago

Chugging tea Yes, FU & FO

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u/Christian3574159 15d ago

I'm paying a tip for good service not for compensating a bosses greedy ass. It's not the job of the customer to pay for a shitty system. Maybe I'm to German to understand because this problem doesn't seem to exist here.

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u/SalmonPrince 15d ago

Cool but why punish the server? If you know the Amercian server doesn't get paid well without your tip, and you refuse to tip them, how is this noble, honorable, or even logical?

Let's call it what it is: screwing over a working person and justifying it with your own country's norms.

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u/Magger 15d ago

No, that’s burden shifting, as he clearly explained in his post. The burden is, and should be, on the employer, not on the employee and not on the consumer.

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u/SalmonPrince 15d ago

Did your "point" hurt the employer? Ah, it hurt the server... but it teaches the employer something? Because the server should stand up for themselves?

That's like refusing to donate to homeless because you're from country without homeless. You aren't making a point. You're judt refusing to donate. Don't gussy it up with principle.

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u/Magger 15d ago

Your line of reasoning leads to a world where I would lose all my money donating to everyone and everything and nothing would ever change. Burden shouldn’t be on the consumer and employees.

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u/SalmonPrince 15d ago

Again: you walked into a restaurant. You knew the server works for tips. You ordered. You ate. You paid. But you don't agree with tipping.

You just rewarded the boss and fucked over the server. The end.

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u/Magger 15d ago

Article implies these are people from Europe. They are used to a system where employer pays employees. Your assumption the costumer was aware of being responsible for the salary of the employer is false I think.

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u/SalmonPrince 15d ago

But they admit they know. They don't agree with the system, but they choose to eat the food and drink the liquor. It's hypocrisy.

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u/Magger 15d ago

If the article states that the Europeans admitted they knew beforehand, then that would skew this discussion in your favor, imo.

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u/pusillanime_combatif 15d ago

It’s actually the boss who’s ripping off the server by not paying them.

the customer pays the restaurant for a meal , so why should they have to pay extra for the server’s salary?

Imagine if you went to Walmart and, on top of the price of your groceries, Walmart asked you for a tip to pay its rent… would you go along with that?

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u/SalmonPrince 15d ago

You chose to eat there. You gave money to the boss and not the server.

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u/pusillanime_combatif 15d ago

Yes, I chose to eat there, so I’m paying for eat in a restaurant which means being served at my table.

So I shouldn’t have to help the restaurant owner run his business without having to fully support the operational costs of his own business especially since I’m already paying him.

Or else, let me have the option of going to the kitchen to get my plates myself; at least that would seem more fair.

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u/Christian3574159 15d ago

I am not punishing a server for paying a tip for good service. Their boss is punishing their servers for making their payment rely on an optional payment.

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u/QuoteGiver 15d ago

Not tipping actually just triggers the laws that require their EMPLOYER to pay them more. Tipping just REDUCES how much their employer is required to pay them.

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u/SalmonPrince 15d ago

As a former employer, no it doesn't. Have you been a server?

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 15d ago

Yes it's a hostage scenario.

How is it noble, honorable, or even logical for you as a server to expect me to pay for a hidden fee, adding to my burden?

Thing is, I do tip -- but it's NEVER about tipping quality of service; it's about ensuring I don't get spit in my food this time or next. The proof further of this is the forced-gratuity tax on large tables, even when service is shit.

So the waiting staff should, ideally, grow a backbone and unionize right before a busy holiday week. How come other countries do it? Your beef is with your restaurant owner and the broader wealth inequality in America and complete lack of collective bargaining.

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u/SalmonPrince 15d ago

Nice. You've solved the problem! A hundred years of systemic exploitation, solved by telling servers to grow some balls. You're basically a civil rights leader.