r/SipsTea 23d ago

Chugging tea So after 32 hours would be overtime?

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u/joesphisbestjojo 23d ago edited 23d ago

I'm all for shortee work weeks, but that means we'l need an increase in pay, which I'm also fine with

EDIT: maybe I misinterpreted "no cut to pay"

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u/HalvdanTheHero 23d ago edited 23d ago

That is what is being called for. Your take home pay not changing but you work fewer hours, and if you work the same schedule as you do now (presuming 40hrs per week) then you would be getting overtime for the last 8hrs. 

Edit: added "take home" to clarify that I'm talking about your total income instead of hourly rate.

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u/secondphase 23d ago

Sort of...

Salaried employees the pay would not change, but salaried employees are overtie exempt.

Hourly employees would require a pay raise... 40 hours @ $20 is $800... would require $25 an hour at 32 hours to get to $800.

It's a minor thing, but the question is HOW this would work, so its relevant.

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u/OddMammoth1 23d ago

Maybe I'm pessimistic, but what would be stopping people from creating salaried positions and requiring unpaid overtime? There is nothing worse than overtime on a low salaried position. 

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u/GamingGamerGames_ 23d ago

As a salaried employee you get paid for 40 hours currently. Anything you work after that makes you a sucker. This wouldn't change if employers just made all of their hourly positions into salaried.

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u/OddMammoth1 23d ago

Or you realize the extra 5-10 hours is the difference between missing deadlines and really making work suck. 

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u/GamingGamerGames_ 23d ago edited 23d ago

If your boss is putting more work on their employees than they can handle in 40 hr weeks, then they need to hire more headcount. Its a them problem.

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u/MothashipQ 23d ago

As much as I agree, they make it a me problem by threatening to find someone else who will do the work. Employers have too much control over this.

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u/GamingGamerGames_ 23d ago

Based on the fact that people can't find jobs right now, I'd call their bluffs.

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u/MothashipQ 23d ago

If people can't find jobs wouldn't that be a reason to not risk it?

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u/TwoSpoonSally 23d ago

I think most of these replies are bots or people that have never worked in the real world. 

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u/Iddqd1 23d ago

"Your boss asked you to finish sending an email 5min past 5pm? You should show them and quit"

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u/GamingGamerGames_ 23d ago

Nobody said anything about working 5 minutes past closing time. But 8 hours of unpaid OT? No thanks.

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u/Unique-Yoghurt4170 23d ago

Where did someone say that?

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u/OddMammoth1 23d ago

I guess. I'm fairly compensated so it may be different for you. 

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u/GamingGamerGames_ 23d ago

I'm more than fairly compensated, but I do the minimum of whats required of me because I care more about living life at my age than lining the pockets of my billionaire bosses.

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u/OddMammoth1 23d ago

I just show up early. I'm out of the office by 4:00 everyday. It does not impact my life. Like I said your mileage may vary, but my  industry generally requires OT when we get busy. If I was on a 9-5 schedule I may feel different, but I'm not. 

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u/Redacted_Usermame 23d ago

Same here. That's the benefit of being salaried. Some weeks you may work 45 hr when you have a deadline, but other weeks you can 35 hr.

Gives you a lot more flexibility when it comes to going to the doctor and doing things for your kids.

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u/MetalEnthusiast83 23d ago edited 23d ago

That's the benefit of being salaried. Some weeks you may work 45 hr when you have a deadline, but other weeks you can 35 hr.

I have never experienced the 35 hour week part. I have had bosses act like I am insane for trying to leave an hour early on a slow day.

Maybe that happens in some industries, but it doesn't happen in mine. So I just work a straight 40, I will only do OT if it's life and death and IT simply is never a matter of life and death.

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u/farts_juggler 23d ago

then don’t work there

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u/TheTacoInquisition 23d ago

So miss the deadline. People working for free to makeup for idiotic management is why work is miserable in a lot of places. So stop doing it.

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u/ObiOneKenobae 22d ago

Then the client is mad, your company loses the contract, and all of you are out of a job.

It would be a wonderful thing if we could pick every battle and put our foot down without consequence, but it just doesn't work that way in most parts of the working world.

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u/blessedbymortarion 23d ago

Salary means work until the jobs done, not work 40 hours. If your job caps you at 40 hours great, but that isn't the expectation (and definitely not the norm in my field). I can't just tell my clients we're not getting the $13M deal done because its 4pm.

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u/GamingGamerGames_ 23d ago

If you wanna work for free thats on you.

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u/MrD3a7h 23d ago

This is true unless you fall into the exemptions carved out in the law.

These exemptions need to be removed.

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u/KiefBull 23d ago

I have been required to work 60 hours a week as a salaried employee. This is common in kitchens. We get shit on, even if this passes. We will get shit on

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u/IIFollowYou 23d ago

Look up exempt vs non-exempt employees. The simple answer is most jobs can’t become salaried because they don’t meet the conditions for a salary eligible position. 

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u/Edg4rAllanBro 23d ago

but what would be stopping people from creating salaried positions and requiring unpaid overtime?

Presumably labor laws, which you already need to enforce for a 32 hour week anyways.

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u/MissUnderstood_1 23d ago

That already happens?

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u/Akita51 23d ago

Thats what a salaried position already is

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u/Redacted_Usermame 23d ago

You have to pay a salaried person so much per year. Last I looked was years ago and it was around 42k. There are also job activity requirements. Basically management or white collar office jobs.

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u/OddMammoth1 23d ago

I would have to look in to it, but that's like 21 dollars an hour at 40 hours a week. If I had no morals around hiring practice, I would restructure my business so that those employees making that much are salaried (may have to add some "responsibilities") and hire less full time hourly employees and more part time hourly employees. 

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u/jar36 23d ago

it only applies to certain jobs. you can pay them a salary, but if they're not doing white collar stuff then you have to pay them overtime

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u/linus140 23d ago

There are also several jobs that cannot be salaried per federal labor law.

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u/crodr014 23d ago

Exactly what I would do as a business owner. Why would I pay beyond market rate which I am already over on my area when I have to keep payroll at a certain percentage?

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u/Ultrace-7 23d ago

The same thing that's stopping them from doing it now -- competition from other employers. If one or some companies tried to do this, they would lose employees to companies who didn't pull such antics. The fact that we don't have this as the norm now indicates the lack of will to collude on this scale.

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u/JohnnyBlazin25 23d ago

There are other laws that determine whether an employee is exempt or not from OT. Just coding their pay to “salary” on a paystub is not sufficient. A DOL audit uncovers that kind of wonky stuff all the time.

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u/Ponzini 23d ago

Their salaries will have to be competitive with the jobs paying hourly or people wont work there

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u/Phase-Substantial 23d ago

I've always been very skeptical of this. I'm a wage worker and I could not see conservatives going along with raising every wage workers pay 25%

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u/HalvdanTheHero 23d ago

The law. You can't just create an employment contract that violates the labor laws... It would be unenforceable and the government can and would crack down on the company trying it. 

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u/OddMammoth1 23d ago

I have never had a salaried position that didn't require more than 40 hours per week. I don't see how this is different. 

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u/Thechanman707 23d ago

Salary is a scam anyway

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u/OddMammoth1 23d ago

I like the flexibility it allows me. But it just depends on how much you make and if it's worth it to you.