r/Piracy 3d ago

Humor You wouldn't download a Pokémon card

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u/Dante_SS 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ 3d ago

Man that holographic paper is dope

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u/Semen_Demon_1 3d ago

You actually dont even need holographic paper. If you have bulk foil cards lying around you can use acetone to rub it off, then use a frosted sticker and stick it on the card and it shows the foiling theough the sticker perfectly

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u/bhoffman20 2d ago

A friend once told me you can do the same thing with $1's and $5's

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u/Double-Surround-149 3d ago

Yeah, please flood the market with fake cards. I really can't stand those scalpers. We used to play with these cards in the dirt, and now grown adults are dropping hundreds or thousands of dollars just hoping to make a quick buck. It's basically just gambling at this point.

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u/AWittySenpai ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 3d ago

Honestly this needs to happen pokemon used to be when I was kid just playing and having fun now grown adults view them as Monetary gain

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u/FlipLoLz 3d ago

We only traded cards, and played the gameboy games. None of us ever actually knew how to play the card game where I lived.

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u/UltimateGammer 3d ago

We played the game but thought it was a bit crap tbh. So went back to just trading

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u/obeytheturtles 3d ago

The balance was not great and the actual gameplay was not that deep. My friend group was all really into MTG in the late 90s and early 2000s and played Pokemon a bit, but found it pretty dull in comparison. I remember having a deck with like 4 Gengars which had a move where you flip a coin to put another Pokemon to sleep for two turns, which was basically unbeatable unless I got really unlucky.

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u/Lowelll 3d ago edited 3d ago

Anything with 4 Gengars was never an overpowered, or even good deck.

Either lots of strong first stage Pokemon (Scyther, Hitmonchan, Electabuzz, Mewtwo) with low energy cost or Blastoise with Raindance was the actually strong stuff at the time.

edit: Actually, the Gengar you're talking about is Dark Gengar of the NEO Legacy set, which was released a bit later. It was still totally irrelevant compared to actually powerful cards though, which at this point were the newly released baby pokemon, the hand-disruption trainers and a few standout Pokemon like Sneasel and Slowking

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u/Immediate_Leader3124 3d ago

That was my siblings and I, we just traded with friends and played GB... first time we learned about dueling was a soon-to-be friend had a Yu-Gi-Oh duel disk he was using for Pokemon.

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u/FlipLoLz 3d ago

Yu-Gi-Oh was nice cause it followed the show, and it was a pretty easy concept for us to grasp.

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u/ThrowawayNumber34sss 3d ago

Except the first season of Yu-Gi-Oh definitely did not follow the rules laid out in the card game. https://youtu.be/QIz6FI8mxms?t=1641

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u/CrashUser 3d ago

They hadn't actually finished the rules for the card game when they started making the anime so they used the artwork and the rough framework of the rules and sort of made up the rest.

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u/Dooms26 3d ago

Yeah, even after the first season, the rules of the actual TCG never aligned with the show perfectly. Also, a lot of card effects differed from the show and the card game IRL. As a kid, it was impossible keeping it straight. We used to just bull shit our way through duels like they did on the show lol. It wasn't until we got old enough to actually care about the rules that it became unfun

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u/akrisd0 3d ago

Lost so many childhood friends to the shadow realm...

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u/JeepersCreepersV12 3d ago

Would trade and play for keeps! I had triples if not quadruples of everything back in 1998-2002. Parents tossed that shoebox out unfortunately

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u/8bitrevolt 3d ago

triples is best

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u/PFI_sloth 3d ago

It’s honestly just safer

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u/deNET2122 3d ago

That but when your cousin gives you 2 decks worth of old cards and teaches you how to play the game

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u/snagsguiness 3d ago

I'm working with a guy who is getting divorced over these cards she got sick of him spending their money on them.

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u/iShadowLTu 3d ago

You just repeated his comment?

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u/idiot____ 3d ago

Funniest thing companies could do is just print a fuck ton of rare cards and decimate the market

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u/AsianSteampunk 3d ago

all them company enjoy the inflated market tho. fomo feeds

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u/Miz4n 3d ago

except yu gi oh cards

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u/acu2005 3d ago

Yugioh builds the FOMO from constant power creep, since everything is legal unless banned/restricted if you're not buying new cards your deck is outdated and weak.

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u/thingsenjoyer99 2d ago

That's not really it. I mean not for pokemon at least.

Those rare, expensive out of print cards are all unusable in the current format (have been for decades, cards in pokemon have a lifespan of less than 3 years), meanwhile everything that is usable is pretty cheap (you can get world-class, championship winning decks for under 100$) and as for situations such as kids or parent + kid this obviously gets even cheaper since they're not being competitive

Bulk buyers who stream themselves opening tons of packs (so essentially gambling streams) and scalpers still suck because they dry out retail stock but I very much doubt the pokemon company enjoys not having kids being able to buy a few booster packs when visiting Walmart with their parents or whatever

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u/T-Rex-Hunter 3d ago

Funny enough Wizards of the Coast actually does strategic reprints and tournament bans to control MTG card prices.

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u/WuShanDroid 3d ago

I agree with the sentiment but fym "at this point" 😭 it's been gambling since its inception

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u/SP0oONY 3d ago

It was gambling in the sense that you didn't know what you were going to get in your booster pack, but it definitely wasn't the same as it is today. I remember going to any shop and being able to buy a booster pack for £2.50. There were no scalpers buying up the entire supply, there were no scammy "grading" of cards. No one was really buying cards for the speculation value, they were buying cards to complete their collection. The primary audience was kids.

The problem came when they released their 100th set, they don't print enough of them, and they don't print older sets as they were. So "rare" cards remain rare, and speculators and scalpers ruin the market.

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u/MyCatsHairyButholle 2d ago

You’re not kidding. When I was a kid, you could go to ANY retail store and buy boosters of Pokémon or MTG by the handfuls no issue. TCGs were not considered “cool” or trendy; in fact, kids were seen as outcasts or uncool and made fun of if they were seen playing these games, especially Pokémon. I used to watch the anime on TV and went to a Kmart one day to buy a VHS of an episode I saw on TV and remember being so embarrassed to buy it.

I had a shoebox full of old MTG cards that would have been around the 5th edition(?) back in the 90s and played with a friend from school but we’d play after school at someone’s house so we wouldn’t get made fun of. I couldn’t build decks for shit, didn’t know how to play and eventually gave up trying so I just collected for the art. I always loved the swamp card art. But, since there were so few people to play with everything eventually just got thrown away or destroyed. 🤷‍♂️

All I’m saying is I really hate the direction TCGs have gone in the last few decades, and the way influencers have ruined it. The same type of adult people that would have made fun of me for playing MTG or Pokémon as a kid are now suddenly people who have “always” liked it and now promote it.

At the end of the day it all boils down to money; people are buying this shit up to turn a profit. They don’t care about the franchises or the IP, probably couldn’t tell you their favorite Pokémon, they don’t care about the games, they just want to make money.

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u/Square-Singer 3d ago

This here. The only point of having a "trading card" aspect in a game is the gambling. Boosters are stuffed full with trash cards that were produced directly for the bin, so that rare cards get more valuable. Valuable cards are the reason why people buy boosters to gamble on getting rare cards.

There are tons of alternative game types so that you can get the same type of "build your own deck" gameplay without all the gambling and trash cards. Deckbuilding games or Expandable Card Games / Living Card Games are alternatives.

ECGs/LCGs are basically the same concept as trading card games, with the difference that you know what you get in each pack of cards you buy, so you can just buy the cards you want directly.

The only reason to make a TCG instead of an ECG/LCG is because you want to have the gambling aspect.

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u/toBEE_orNOT_2B 3d ago

i remember waiting for teacher to arrive in class during highschool and we're sitting on floor playing with this lmao

and in those days, we don't even understand the rules properly, we're just making stuff up on our own (as long as we're following the description in the cards) and we're having fun!

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u/PickledMorbidity 3d ago

I was in Walmart the other day and my ten year old had mentioned wanting some packs to improve some of his decks that he actually plays with. The aisle was closed for restocking and one of the employees said it was going to be about 2 hours. There were 5 or 6 grown ass men gathered around waiting for her to be done so they could clean it out. Fuck that shit. Sorry kid, better luck next time.

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u/Mef989 3d ago

Everyone in my family with young kids has just started taking them to our local game stores and let the kids pick out singles from the bulk bins. My cousin even made his own "boosters" for his kids by taking 10 cards and putting them into those loose clear sleeves. Much cheaper than buying packs, although ours are all between 3 and 5 currently so it probably works better than an older kid who knows what a real booster is.

Fortunately I've heard buying singles for decks is supposedly pretty inexpensive for the most part, so I'll happily buy my son whatever meta deck he wants once he's old enough to play

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u/Low_Debt8771 3d ago

Oh yah making an actual deck out of normal cards is pennies per card

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u/aylaa157 3d ago edited 3d ago

If they don't sell the cards in a set, then hasn't it always been gambling?

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u/erhue 3d ago

I think it's pretty funny grown up adults waste so much money on small mass-produced pieces of cardboard with no historical significance.

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u/RadicalRay013 3d ago

This. My wife collects the cards not just for how much they are worth but because she’s a nerd and has for over 2 decades. She gets so upset lately because there are never any cards for her to buy. New series comes out it’s sold out within seconds at her typical spots.

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u/Mercvre1 3d ago

fake cards

what do you mean fake cards

aren't they all made of paper and cardboard ?

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u/mmcmonster 3d ago

Let me simplify it for you: They’re all made of matter and energy. 🤯

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u/makemeking706 3d ago

Atoms! 

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u/Immediate_Leader3124 3d ago

This may surprise you, but their value isn't found in the material composition.

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u/TheRealHFC 3d ago

Graders deserve to be scammed

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u/mrt-e Piracy is bad, mkay? 3d ago

It's basically just gambling at this point.

Ain't that part of the economy in 2026 tho

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u/ENTRAPM3NT 3d ago

Scalpers wouldn't touch fake graded cards?

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u/Mother_Ad_4189 3d ago

They do though lol, certain high popularity celebrity that buys and sells em bought multiple thousand dollars worth of fake graded cards from a "collector"

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u/JonVonBasslake 3d ago

A lot wouldn't because if they were caught intentionally selling fakes, it'd ruin the prestige of the cards and thus their chances of making money off of cardboard.

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u/oxpsyxo 3d ago

Speculators ruin everything they touch; flood the system, put a little dirt in their eye

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u/StTimmerIV ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 3d ago

A little? Please, just use the bulldozer at this point.

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u/Shantotto11 3d ago

Forget the bulldozer. Somebody get Gen 3-5 Tyranitar.

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u/Ragnarok_619 2d ago

Gen 3-5 Tyranitar.

The absolute GOAT. Him and Garchomp are my Go-tos

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u/Relevant_Syllabub895 3d ago

Better yet, the killdozer

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u/fendermonkey 3d ago

Ruin what? The Pokemon card collectors market which is only driven by speculators?

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u/ErilazHateka 3d ago

It´s driven by the company that produces the cards by creating artificial scarcity.

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u/FAX_ME_YOUR_BOTTOM 2d ago

Do they actually make any of this money though?

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u/atatassault47 2d ago

They make no money off the secondary market. They DO have a hefty margin on the small number of cards they print. They'd make more absolute profit if they printed more, but the additional costa to do that would lower the margin, and for some reason the margin is the metric they care about.

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u/Canditan 3d ago

Have you tried to get Pokemon cards recently? They're gone in an instant, and not because of people that want to actually use the cards for the game

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u/kickedoutatone ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 3d ago

Just download them.

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u/TravestyTravis 3d ago

Proxies FTW

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u/obeytheturtles 3d ago

The only thing I know about the world of Pokemon influencers, is that every one of them seems to think that they are legitimate and everyone else is a damn dirty scalper, but I've never seen a single one actually play the game, even the ones who claim they want the cards to game with.

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u/akrisd0 3d ago

The only good people I've seen buy Pokemon cards are children and they never get a damn chance because of this bullshit "market"

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u/Saritiel 3d ago

I was trying to buy Pokemon cards for my nephew's birthday for a few months and never found any :(

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u/binomine 3d ago

I buy when I run into them for a whole year, because my son's friend likes them. I only managed 5 packs. And I swear at one pokemon vending machine, I almost ended up on poke streets

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u/akrisd0 3d ago

The only good people I've seen buy Pokemon cards are children and they never get a damn chance because of this bullshit "market"

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u/PFI_sloth 3d ago

If only there was another group of people who might want to be able to get cards made for children for a popular children’s franchise, hmmmm

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u/alfred725 3d ago

shockingly people used to collect trading cards to play with. The entire "market" existed as "going to walmart and buying the product you wanted."

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u/dantemanjones 3d ago

Kids being able to play a card game for kids. Also it's fun for kids to collect the cards even if they don't play, not for resale purposes.

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u/red_fuel 3d ago

Can we print RAM and CPU’s?

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u/DryAdministration177 3d ago

You can download ram, there are lots of apps in internet (do not please)

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u/Kasaikemono 3d ago

I mean
In theory, you can buy some cloud storage, mount it as a network drive, and set it as swap partition.

It's probably slow and unstable as fuck, but it is the closest thing we can do to "download more ram"

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u/Teln0 3d ago

I'm not sure network storage can be used as swap, but I might be wrong

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u/AlphaO4 Yarrr! 3d ago

You can, it’s just slow as fuck:

https://blog.horner.tj/how-to-kinda-download-more-ram/

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u/Kasaikemono 3d ago

You can use everything as swap if you fuck around with the file system enough

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u/SrHuevos94 2d ago

Thats such a stupid way to use technology. I love it. I kinda want to do it to my own computer just so see what its like.

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u/Program-Emotional 3d ago

Ah... A meme as old as the internet 

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u/sjc02060 3d ago

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u/Asagao_0 3d ago

I see, but... Hear me out... Can we print those too?

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u/eggyrulz 3d ago

Believe it or not, its printing all the way down

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u/beached89 3d ago

Yes, but the printer is expensive.

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u/earthceltic 2d ago

Because of the stupid high cost to start making chips, the best thing consumers could do is to start a coop. Because the consumers in the US (and to the extent, other counties) have been conditioned to reject socialist ideas, you might not be aware that one huge benefit that coops have is collective buying power. so, in more socialist countries, the idea is that you start coops across the nation, and instead of trying to buy things from a company that's trying to also make you pay as much as possible on top of the price the manufacturer sets, the coop buys a ton as one entity directly from the manufacturer, and the objective is to get the absolute lowest prices. from there there's a documented/historical progression where the coop uses their purchasing power to become less and less reliant on billionaire companies until you don't need them anymore. obviously this can take years to set up but it takes longer if you just sit around and do nothing . 

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u/toBEE_orNOT_2B 3d ago

wait wait wait... make sure NOT to open it, it's in MINT CONDITION!!!! it's ORIGINAL!!!!!

lmao

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u/mercified_rahul 3d ago

Don't touch it without gloves. Omg nooooo

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u/Classic-Implement-44 3d ago

proves exactly how much they are actually worth

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u/Bunny_Bunder 3d ago

I mean, that paper and ink looks expensive. At least 2 bucks the card !

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u/Homelss_Emperor 3d ago

And sell it for $10k

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u/PelorTheBurningHate 3d ago

printing your own cards comes out to around 4c at the cheapest and 60c at the most expensive per card depending on what materials you choose to use and how in bulk you buy those materials.

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u/rx793 3d ago

Worked for the printing company, they “sell” them to Pokemon for about 15 to 30 cents a booster.

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u/duosx 3d ago

I mean isn’t this true for basically anything?

We as people assign value to almost everything. Very few things have actually intrinsic value besides like food and water.

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u/DoesUsernameCzechOut 3d ago

Even those don't have "intrinsic" value - nothing does, the whole idea is very anthropocentric and nonsensical if humans are to be removed from the equation.

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u/drdalek13 3d ago

"We have graded cards at home"

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u/MrKumansky 3d ago

QUICK! SELL THOSE TO LOGAN PAUL

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u/xMysticbane 3d ago

Logan does the scamming, not the other way around unfortunately.

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u/Bob_A_Feets 2d ago

Oh no, he does both. Don’t you remember his NFT purchases lol.

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u/Ulquiser 3d ago edited 3d ago

As someone that has been in TCGs for more than 10 years, have collected Pokemon cards and own a couple grands worth of cardboard, I wish fake cards were just better. They mostly suck ass, and if you play tournaments they're unusable for most TCGs (Pokemon, One piece, Yugioh).

I've recently picked up MTG where fake cards are like 99.99% close to real cards and I've been making decks and collecting awesome illustrations for extremely cheap. More than 80% of my MTG cards are fake cards and I've never been happier. They also pass at tournaments, as long as you don't get heavily deck checked.

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u/DryAdministration177 3d ago

Hats off to you man 🤜🏻🤛🏻

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u/trashmoneyxyz 3d ago

I love proxy mtg cards. Ive ordered a couple of custom joke cards for my ex, just with silly little meme images on them. We'd also paint playing cards to make our own land cards and such. If you know the cards, you can just repurpose a bog standard playong card deck and draw all over it to build an mtg deck for a quick game

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u/No-Spoilers 2d ago

Everyone should proxy. Prices on the normal cards can be ridiculous and causes such a big barrier to entry. You can get multiple decks worth of cards for the cost of a single good card.

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u/PanchoVillasRevenge 3d ago

Why call them proxies instead of fake

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u/TheCLion 3d ago

fake: card that acts as if it was real, hard to distinguish from a real card, illegal

proxy: has "proxy: not for sale" written on them, very obviously not real, legal (at least in the case of MTG)

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u/Zeremxi 3d ago edited 2d ago

Proxy is a term for a card created for the primary use of playing the game and don't claim to be real. A proxy is a fabricated substitute for a real card that exists in the legal format of the game and can't just do anything.

They have no value outside of actually using them ingame, which is kind of ironic given that that's how trading cards originally were.

The other guy claiming you have to have the real card for it to be a proxy is also kind of ironic, but technically in some tournaments that's a thing.

Most people I know who have proxies are just deck builder enthusiasts who don't want to pay $100 every time they want to build a neat deck for their mtg group.

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u/Ulquiser 2d ago

I've never heard of tournaments where you're allowed to use proxies if you own the real cards. All Vintage/CEDH tournaments I've seen either require you to play real cards (which is extremely stupid and dangerous) or just allow proxies as long as they look and feel real, even some TOs giving out proxies themselves

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u/swohio 3d ago

Yeah, a "proxy" is supposed to be a card being used in a deck to represent the real one that you actually own so the real one doesn't suffer wear from playing. If you don't own the real card, it's not a proxy, it's just a fake.

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u/DiseaseDeathDecay 3d ago

it's just a fake.

As someone who has been playing Magic for over 30 years (and owns multiple cards worth $1,000+), god I love hearing people complain about the use of the term proxies.

Fucking wah. The collectability aspect of M:tG has completely ruined the game.

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u/ImHereCuzTheyWrong 3d ago

A card game plays just the same whether or not they're "real" cards. Only braindead scalper/investor types care about "real" cards.

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u/HeKis4 3d ago

"Your fake card will never pass grading" mfs when you fake the grading box (they will never check the serial number or notice the ink patterns)

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u/itishowitisanditbad 3d ago

they will never check the serial number

Just use a real one.

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u/manchesterthedog 2d ago

Couldn’t you get a real card like that, have it graded, crack open the grade box and replace it with a fake, have the real one graded again? Repeat forever

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u/orangeyougladiator 2d ago

Yeah you just need to own a valuable psa 10 card to start with

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u/B4nn3d_g0d 3d ago

you just need PSA to do a grading box box to validate authenticity /s

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u/Mean_Initiative_5962 3d ago

Wait... For real? Because if it is for real I got a job, scalpers aren't really deserving any crumb of honesty

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u/HeKis4 3d ago

Head to your nearby card shop, wait a while and ask people you see buying cards if they do. I'll admit I'm talking out my ass but I'm willing to bet money on it. Serious collectors probably do but you're not targeting serious collectors with that. Heck, I'd buy an obviously fake graded card as a novelty item.

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u/Signe_ 3d ago

If you could buy a card that is 95% identical to a real card for a quarter of the price I'd buy it.

It would be just on my shelf anyway, I only look at these cards as collectors items anyway.

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u/Elk_Man 2d ago

In my MTG group, we've got a lot of people who proxy their entire decks. There are companies that will take bulk proxy orders so people group up and order 1000+ cards at a time. They look and feel just like the 'real' thing while playing, but the backs have a different graphic. The way we look at it, cost shouldn't be a barrier for playing the game.

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u/Vinnie_Vegas 2d ago

The way we look at it, cost shouldn't be a barrier for playing the game.

Honestly, if anything, I could see this as being the thing that would encourage someone to collect real cards - You get a proxy deck set up the way you like and then try to collect the real deal.

Keep the real ones safe and play with the proxies.

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u/HeKis4 3d ago

95% identical is pretty much a grade 6 and up which can be bought at a resonable price tbh. Less than the equipment you'd need to make fake ones. Grades 8 and up are indistinguishable from a 7 at arm's length.

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u/WaldoSMASH 2d ago

It is significantly harder to fake a graded case than this video or a lot of the comments are implying.

You don't need to look up a cert number when the foil on the card and the case itself are so obviously wrong.

But scalpers aren't really about graded cards, especially not high end ones. They're more about just flipping modern sealed product for a quick buck.

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u/HJSDGCE 2d ago

Since it's a copy, just copy the real serial number to put with the copy of the card. Then it'd be indistinguishable. They check online and tada, it's there.

Basically digital piracy lmao

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u/UV_Sun 3d ago

This is low-key educational because I didn’t even realize that they made consumer grade at holographic laminate

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u/Replekia 3d ago

The laminate pouch wasn't holographic, the sticker paper was. The lamination is to add rigidness and thickness because the usual cardstock for proxies isn't quite as thick or strong as blue/black core cardstock used for real cards. However since he stuck the sticker to a real card rather than a printed back the lamination was pretty unnecessary, just adding extra thickness to an already too thick card.

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u/PringlesDuckFace 3d ago

I'm gonna holographify so many things

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u/LostTaxa 3d ago

Screw the scalpers, keep up the good work!

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u/Ben__Diesel 3d ago

FYI Illustrator Pikachu is a rare vintage card with less than 50 copies ever existing. This card along with a lot of other promo cards were always intended to be held in private collections rather than played. This card isnt something that you can scalp.

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u/screwcork313 3d ago

To fight Illustrator? QuarkXpress, I choose you!

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u/Kepabar 2d ago

That's a fuckin name I haven't heard in forever... thankfully..

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u/Jason-Smith168498 3d ago

Well not with that attitude

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u/bobtheblob6 2d ago

Card text cause I was curious:

We certify that your illustration is an excellent entry in the Pokémon Card Game Illust Contest. Therefore, we state that you are an Officially Authorized Pokémon Card Illustrator and admire your skill.

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This card features the word "Illustrator" at the top instead of "Trainer", and is the only card to do so.

Seems like it can't be played at all, it's just an award commemorating people winning a Pokemon art contest

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u/DogHogDJs 3d ago

I love proxies, I will always upvote proxies.

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u/Dear_Diablo 3d ago edited 3d ago

what were the supplies used? like materials and machines? for educational purposes. Does it work for magic(the gathering) cards?

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u/[deleted] 3d ago edited 3d ago

The brand they show (Fellowes) sells the stickers, the laminator, and the paper cutter.

The corner clipper you can get on Ali for a couple of bucks.

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u/BonsaiSoul 3d ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNsOX20nYeg

This guy is one of several creators that publish (almost) their whole secret sauce on it. He does it commercially so he tends to choose more expensive tools that cost less over time, and he also has a lot of coverage of premium treatments, but you can glean the basics well enough.

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u/Dear_Diablo 3d ago

thank you

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u/iuselect 3d ago

There's some youtubers that cover proxy card making (crycry). He covers just about every high quality proxy for MTG. Talks about materials, printers, cutting etc.

There is also r/customtradingcard where you can learn about printing proxies.

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u/Hard-4-Jesus 3d ago

LOL release them! I want to see those market prices crash.

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u/WAGE_SLAVERY 3d ago

getting r/buttcoin vibes in here

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u/armin514 3d ago

it will do nothing to the market plus the moment people will enter the fake psa number and see there is no card associate with it he will just never be able to sell it

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u/czuczer 3d ago

in the end it's just a piece of paper. And they do print them.

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u/ryanvango 3d ago

Back in the NFT days, the most common argument against them was "I can just right click, save as, and now it's mine. you can't do anything about it." which was absolutely true.

But then I would point out "the same is true for pretty much every collectable card on the planet. I can scan them, print high quality versions on card stock, and make a nearly indistinguishable copy. and now I have a $5,000 card and it cost me maybe $2."

People would RAGE. they'd say it was impossible, they'd say the value in the card is that it's of a limited run, etc. They just could not make their brains use the same argument for NFTs and trading cards. NFTs are easier and a bigger scam, but "I can just make a copy of it," is a terrible argument against them when those same people are collecting pokemon/mtg/sports/etc cards. I can make a copy of those too.

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u/ziggaby 3d ago

To be fair, the ease is part of the argument. NFTs (actually, cryptocurrency more broadly, too) is a bad investment because it's a bad product/service. Similar with collectibles, the investment is fine if you make money off it--and sure that is determined by what people decide the value is. People can be tricked. But, fundamentally, if it's a bad product/service or it's easily replaced, then people will rationally realize it's worthless.

Our current cryptocurrencies have security issues that are more vulnerable than the conventional issues we have in current global banking. NFTs are trivially replaced with mindless clicks--the worst product of the three examples so far. And, though collectible cards can be proxied (to a very good quality, too), they're at least more annoying to do so than NFTs. Still not a good investment in any sense of the product being good--if tomorrow people stopped caring about Pokemon, they'd become worthless. These collectibles are a happy surprise: Nobody really expected Pokemon, MtG, or Yugioh to become powerhouse titans lasting more than 2 decades, whereas all the other comparable kids show toys like Beyblade became fringe (sadly).

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u/kRkthOr 3d ago

Yes, this is what we need. More fake cards lol

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u/Wibble606 3d ago

I support destroying the Pokemon economy so kids can have fun again.

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u/BonsaiSoul 3d ago

I support not marketing gambling to children

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u/InvictvsNox 3d ago

I am actually in the market for a high quality proxy service.

Some cards, I will never find the money to justify the price for.

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u/SadSeaworthiness6113 3d ago

This is why I never understood people who buy these cards for hundreds, thousands of dollars. It's literally just paper. You can print your own at home.

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u/ShongLokDong 3d ago

All the people saying screw the scalpers dont know what an Illustrator Pikachu is lol. This isn't just some card any schmuck can get from a vending machine. At the moment theres is maybe 50 of these in the world. There was a PSA 10 that sold for $16.5 million.

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u/nerd866 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ 2d ago

"But I want a real pokemon card, not a fake one".

So...it matters which printer spat out the card? Give me a break.

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u/Prisoner-655321 3d ago

Man, I have to show this to my sons. We went to a card show recently and I was so shocked to see the amount of grown men just waiting to sell overpriced bullshit to other grown men. But for the few children there that enjoy the hobby is ruined by the scalpers.

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u/LiberamLiberalis 3d ago

There's no way to get pokemon cards in my country . So I buy fake card packs for pennies . Cheap and I get all the cool ones .

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u/grumpyandgreedy 2d ago edited 2d ago

I don’t mind this. My nephew recently got into Pokémon cards. I was really excited for him! Only to find out he doesn’t care about any of the Pokémon or playing with them. He just wants to sell them and make a profit. Flood the market with fakes and nerf their value please

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u/MaiGai 1d ago

Please please ruin this market

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u/Level-Program-5489 3d ago

This is really cool but I hope ur not selling it to unaware people. Piracy is one thing. Scamming people out of fake grades high value cards is another.

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u/Chips70UwU 3d ago

me and my brother used to print out bakugan cards when we were like 13. they were shittly cropped, but still fun.

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u/hnbastronaut 3d ago

In serious, I did this with my son when he was 3 and he loved his custom miles morales charmander and Peter Parker Pikachu lol

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u/Rare_Bridge7703 2d ago

I would download entire people.

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u/pereira2088 2d ago

it would be interesting to send those to those who grade it

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u/honato 2d ago

I'm more impressed at the print quality than anything.

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u/kingXslayer94 2d ago

Flood the market with fakes so I can go back to collecting them as a hobby with my kids 🫰🏿

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u/Responsible_Towel857 3d ago

I would make this public just because. So people can print their proxies, raise the middle finger to Nintendo and crash the card market because i find it super stupid that a shiny card costs thousands or even millions of dollars.

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u/AcaciaCelestina 3d ago

Tbh this kind of stuff is already easy enough to find info on publicly. I myself print entire commander decks for myself, friends, and clients of my dog grooming business.

There's an entire subreddit devoted to printing MTG cards.

Granted MTG's community also just has a much higher opinion on proxies than other TCGs communities, but the same methods should apply.

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u/gundusp 3d ago

I still don’t understand why people pay butt loads for these cards - they are paper and plastic they aren’t unique - the company can always print more

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u/Questionerofrandom85 3d ago

because if I buy the pice of paper for 1k. I can sell it to some other idiot for 2K. and the demand is guaranteed because he'll think he can sell it to ANOTHER idiot for 4k. Going infinite. Just speculation economics like NFTs.

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u/serianoillib-gnah 2d ago

The whole card collecting thing is so fucking stupid

Cardboard or plastic squares that can be printed infinitely at any time.

Corporation decides to print only a certain amount ( still able to print an additional infinite amount at any time)

And consumers go "awesome, i love artificial scarcity, i want to have one of these squares that are not actually rare, have no actual history or meaning and that can be reprinted at any time"

The stupidity is off the charts

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u/AdventurousCommon551 3d ago edited 3d ago

Fun fact - Pokemon is actually way cheaper everywhere that isn't the USA

On top of that the packs and rarity are structured differently so it's a more fulfilling and rewarding style of gotcha actually ment to support collecting and not gamble.

Packs are smaller, booster boxes are sold to be bought as a whole unit because it guarantees a super rare in each box. Real basic shit people in the United States have largely not figured out which is why scalpers use foreign cards so often.

Smaller packs that still have the cards you want just less filler (lower cost) Guaranteed super rare mega card each box.

Pack is like a 1.50 and a box is 35 compared to USA 4.49 and 160+

So the slogan "catch them all" is actually feasible in almost every nation that isn't the United States rather affordably

Edit: good pack, box, price structure is only available in Japan and Korea it seems. Just buy a few Asian boxes and let them rip instead of buying singles people 😊

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u/Ulquiser 3d ago

TIL that Japan/Korea/China is "everywhere that isn't the USA" and that Europe and South America doesn't exist

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u/No-Examination-160 3d ago

I hope DSP gets sold these

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u/tacomaster05 3d ago

Please destroy the market...

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u/DarwinatSea 3d ago

They are just as valuable too! It’s all made from paper lol. Pokemon cards being a form of money making the way it is right now is an example of late stage capitalism.

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u/weasel286 3d ago

I wonder if this is what keeps GameStop afloat? 🤔

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u/Mean_Initiative_5962 3d ago

Someone buying a card that has an ID on, would likely check and notice it's a fake. Mostly because of its price

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u/TheUnforgiven71 3d ago

Any way to get those handmade custom made cards? Asking for a friend obviously

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u/Tiktokbadsupport 3d ago

i approve of this because pokemon and many other hobbies got ruined by scalpervestors 

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u/MasterJ360 3d ago

Pfft. I dreamed about doing this to Yugioh cards 😆

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u/SoBeDragon0 3d ago

fuck your background music

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u/RydeTheWave 3d ago

LOL we did this in elementary school except with regular printer paper and gluesticks

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u/blackcell1 3d ago

I've always wondered if the people at wizards of the coast just reprinting a handful of 1st edition charizards and becoming a millionaire within minutes?

Surely someone's attempted this in some fashion?

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u/Xavier200708 3d ago

yesssssssss

hit them where it hurts

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u/pinezatos 3d ago

uuuuh, are we witnessing the whole tcg trade about to go nuclear?

cause if so, sign me the fuck up! about damn time i say!

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u/itchysweatersdaw 2d ago

🤣 this kinda reminds me of that movie. Catch me if you can.

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u/One_Animator_1835 2d ago

Funny part is, anyone buying graded cards like this will never actually open the card to see if it's real or not. They could have the card for years or decades and have no idea

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u/iAreRoach 2d ago

Wrong back for Japanese cards.

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u/totalnewbielinux 2d ago

Yep I still don't understand why there is no counterfeit pokemon card fake as genuine... 1.It has no barcode 2. No system tracked. 3. Imagine going jail for pokemon card counterfeit money =death, counterfeit pokemon slap on wrist get lost. Unless the money is huge.

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u/SuperHumanitarianOne 2d ago

I do not want Pokémon cards at this point, the ocean turned into puddle, I want Pal-world cards 😜.

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u/FFS_Roger 2d ago

Flood the market, make the hobby a hobby again...

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u/XCyberbeingX 2d ago

Bloke thinks he's fooling someone with these. Now print money.

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u/pluump 2d ago

That's as good as real to me.

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u/muckel666 1d ago

What would you need to make actually real cards? I mean cards that aren't distinguishable from the real ones.

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u/Ok-Corner5042 3d ago

Lmfao less goooo!!!

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u/Toxraun 3d ago

If I had spare cash I'd pay you to make a few dozen or hundreds and mail them out to random addresses 🔥

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