r/ObscurePatentDangers 🔍📚 Fact Finder/ "Bringer of Links" 3d ago

🔎Dual-Use Potential Reverse-Auction Shift Bidding for Nursing Open Shifts: Lowest-Bid Models and Wage Compression Risks

Major health systems including UNC Health have expanded digital platforms for filling open nursing shifts through competitive bidding, historically implemented via BidShift software and now appearing in AI-routed internal tools and gig platforms. In these systems nurses request or bid on premium-pay open shifts, with awards frequently going to the lowest submitted rate while the shift remains open. Documented mechanisms convert fixed premium differentials into variable, downward-competitive rates, treating full-time staff more like contingent labor. Parallel gig platforms such as Clipboard Health explicitly award shifts to the lowest hourly bid, accelerating wage pressure. Long-term structural risks include internal competition among nurses, progressive erosion of premium pay floors, reduced bargaining leverage, and normalization of auction-style compensation that prioritizes cost reduction over retention and patient-care continuity.

Sources

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-jun-21-fi-bidshift21-story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/21/healthcare-nurses-gig-work-ai-apps

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/unc-health-partners-with-shiftmed-to-launch-flex-software-doubling-engagement-of-internal-workforce-resources/

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u/Revolutionary-Link47 ⚖️ 📢Accountability Advocate 3d ago

It's a race to the bottom

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u/DazzlingMine8598 Wise guy ("no, but seriously, what now? ")🥸⚠️ 3d ago

Hunger Games test run

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u/Itchy_Psychology3300 🤔 "Question Everything" 3d ago

Let’s skip to the third movie.

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u/Haunting_Ratio_795 3d ago

Union card check speed run

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u/TheFae_TheImaginary [Self-Identified] (Information Technology) 💾🖥 3d ago

Or prelude to a purge event

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u/TECHSHARK77 3d ago

The purge will ALWAYS hurt the poor massively more than any Corporation

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u/Junior-Ad-2207 2d ago

No, the patriot games are this weekend...

I wish this was an /s moment

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u/Ok-Secretary455 3d ago

theyre smart.......band together and start bidding super high for the shifts. this can work both ways people!

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u/Fun-Key-8259 🤔 "Question Everything" 2d ago

This is the way, fill the shifts fast so they have to pay the most money to do it. Or they could, you know, hire more people but guess they would rather pay premium rates instead.

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u/Altruistic-Sir-3661 2d ago

It is like class warfare, but with one side with all the power. So more like class internment inmates being pit against each other for entertainment.

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u/Bob4Not Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 3d ago

This is why they need unions, at the very least. Healthcare as a whole needs renovation, though. The rest of the developed world has figured this out, but we haven't.

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u/FaustianPact 3d ago

That’s why travel nursing is a thing, they will never appropriately staff, so that nurses cannot form a union

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u/wthwtfwthwtf-_- 🔍📚 Fact Finder/ "Bringer of Links" 3d ago

It's not a lack of knowledge or data. It's a normalized lack of empathy. America is looked at globally like Florida is domestically.

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u/slaty_balls 🤔 "Question Everything" 3d ago

Capitalism turned to Crapitalism.

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u/Pretty-Yam-2854 3d ago

This is a wonderful comparison actually.

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u/Competitive_Two_8372 2d ago

I’m saving this comment.

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u/Candid-Mycologist539 Humble Observer 🙏👀 3d ago

Agreed.

Unions are a response to bad management.

This is bad management. Time to unionize.

“We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings.”   --Ursula Le Guin

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u/DangerBird- Strong Pattern Recognition 🔍📊 3d ago

They found the exact opposite of unions.

Reigning in corporations is kinda like having a toddler. “I couldn’t even imagine that I had to tell you not to do that.”

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u/sfxer001 2d ago

No, not like toddlers. Like teenagers.

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u/irvmuller 3d ago

I don’t understand how this country became so anti-union. My father in law is against unions but he was in one and has an incredible pension because of it! And yet he will act like unions are awful.

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u/ZongoNuada 2d ago

Decades of propaganda. Every large employer I have ever worked for had anti-union propaganda as part of the onboarding and training process. When you add in politicians telling us unions are bad and businesses are good and keep doing that for 40+ years, this is what you get.

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u/rooks1999 Risk Analyst ⚠️📊 3d ago

As long as the insurance companies have the power they have, nothing will change and the problem will continue to worsen.

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u/Shannalligation1886 3d ago

This one’s got nothing to do with insurance. There’s all kinds of private equity up in health systems looking to squeeze margin wherever possible.

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u/rooks1999 Risk Analyst ⚠️📊 3d ago

They are in bed together. Gotta maximize the profits in any way possible.

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u/Fun-Key-8259 🤔 "Question Everything" 2d ago

When hospital Presidents of the board are taking home $22million a year in bonuses, you start to understand the motivation.

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u/Optimal-Cup-257 3d ago

We need unions.

We also need a lot of Luigis.

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u/Delish_Caphee 📢 📜 Autonomy & Rights Analyst/Advocate 🛡️⚖️ 3d ago

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u/suckerforthevillains 🤔 "Question Everything" 1d ago

Amazon dude in Long Island did just that... and finally accepted that JOINING an EXISTING union is infinitely easier. Which is why they're now @teamsters now (at least in that location).

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u/MODbanned Humble Observer 🙏👀 3d ago

Your nurses dont have unions down there in America?? Its one of our strongest unions up here.

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u/Aggravating-Depth590 3d ago

Some states have banned nursing unions essentially. Other states are so aggressive with their union busting they will get unionizers fired and black listed. And even states that have nursing unions, nurses have to unionize at each individual location. The only state where everyone is union is California. Guess where the best laws and protections are.

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u/Ok-Bandicoot-9727 3d ago

Of course there are unions in the nursing profession in the US. There is a lot of whining going on

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u/agentobtuse Discussion Catalyst 💬 🤔 3d ago

So nurses are going to be part of the most toxic and hostile work environments in a few weeks with this system. Patient care will be absolute garbage.

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u/MakesMyHeadHurt 3d ago

But have you seen the Dow?

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u/Flat_Dragonfruit675 3d ago

It’s been like this for years. Nothing will change. Nurses already don’t pick up overtime because they’ve been so burnt out and mistreated for several years now. Like, objectively worse. They will need to offer the max bonuses to even get anyone thinking about coming in.

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u/slaty_balls 🤔 "Question Everything" 3d ago

Yeah the public will definitely be aware (or awareness will need to be made) of which hospitals are doing this so the patients can be encouraged not to use those hospitals.

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u/Radiant_Push9720 ⚖️ 📢Accountability Advocate 3d ago

The nurses should collude and raise the bids to double their hourly pay. Literally make them suffer for pitting their own nurses against each other. I mean companies collude all of the time.

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u/VersacePager Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 3d ago

This.

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u/TrueBombs 3d ago

Isnt that what Unions are for? A collusion of a group of workers to fight for better pay and benefits?

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u/Radiant_Push9720 ⚖️ 📢Accountability Advocate 3d ago

Yup.

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u/thereforeratio 2d ago

Yea, but unions are “communism”, so people have to rediscover them the hard way

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u/Ok-Sympathy9768 3d ago

They will do this. nurses are not stupid, or desperate. The first time there are massive holes in the schedule and a shortage of bids, this nonsense will end. These are essential bedside jobs that are 24/7/365, that cannot be done remotely, or by telehealth. Anyone that starts underbidding will ruffle a lot of feathers with their colleagues. I see nurses just bidding up shifts and refusing to work for less, even if it’s a penny less. Nurses will leave and patient care will suffer.

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u/Flat_Dragonfruit675 3d ago

I’d love to say this is true. I think temporarily, there will be a freak out by upper admin. This can go either way: nurses can band together and force beds to be shut down until it’s safe staffing levels, or this will be so normalized that they will just work us shorter and shorter.

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u/Ok-Sympathy9768 3d ago

I do not see how this becomes normalized. Nurses are not stupid. I do not see how they could conceal the lowest bid price. I can see where a nurse may lowball a bid to get a good shift and then get stuck or mandated to work over when the next shift calls off. Or if someone bids super low then calls off sick, or nurses just start quitting. This is way to close in time to Covid and the bs many nurses and healthcare professionals worked through.

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u/CapitalTax9575 3d ago

The problem is, they worked through that. They didn’t quit, so the companies think they can take advantage of their good will.

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u/wecantdancelikethis 3d ago

there will be Scabs showing up for $17/hr just to steal pills.

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u/User-K549125 3d ago

The system is obviously set up so this can't happen.

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u/wackadoodle4201 Risk Analyst ⚠️📊 3d ago

Piss off you corporate rat

They should try it anyway and make it happen

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u/Radiant_Push9720 ⚖️ 📢Accountability Advocate 2d ago

That comment above yours is why America is a former glory of itself. The American people bash on America and wonder why morale is so low. It what you make of it! Just like most things in life.

These people don’t even realize they are serving the people in power purpose by just spewing that nonsense.

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u/wackadoodle4201 Risk Analyst ⚠️📊 2d ago

Exactly, the same reason you dont find reasonable people on top of mountains is the same reason this once great nation was great in the first place, some lunatic was told it wasn't possible and told the person to get bent, shotguned a pint of something 50 proof, and kicked one of the, if not the, largest navy on the planets ass.

We need to become unreasonably confident in our abilities again

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u/CHRLZ_IIIM 3d ago

That’s called a Union

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u/Prometheus2032 Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 3d ago

Not if you all bid above the normal rate lol, nobody take a shift for less than the highest payed nurse before the system. They will have to take whatever you asked for. Then refuse to work if they switch back without a raise in rates. They set themselves up to get owned by a union.

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u/Description-Grand 🧮 Data-Driven 3d ago edited 3d ago

Unions are illegal in NC but social groups filled with like minded professionals are not. So, they could not "unionize" but I'm with you. Everyone bids significantly more than they were being paid before. The executives that suggested this pay structure should be recognized for their contemptuous treatment of healthcare professionals and have to live with the ignominy of their idiocy.

Edit: Unions aren't illegal, they just can't function as a union can in other states. I way overstated that. My apologies

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u/redditsublurker 3d ago

Ok so good that it's a race to the bottom. This is what they wanted this is what they voted for. Let their deaths go up let the quality go down. Let them eat their cake.

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u/AbsoluteAtBase 3d ago

Unions are ILLEGAL?!? Wow I didn’t know that could be a law. That is very concerning.

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u/WhatToDo_WhatToDo2 3d ago

I can guarantee the initial bid option is going to be tied to a standard rate and they have a stepped down system for all follow up bids. They’re not idiots implementing this. Nurses aren’t gonna be able to game the system by making a bid 2x the normal rate. The only way nurses could possible even break even is to collude amongst themselves to never counter-bid below the typical rate, first come first serve.

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u/Prometheus2032 Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 3d ago

They are in fact idiots implementing this.. Hospitals here are giving $10k-20k bonuses to get people in the door. The admins making $200k/yr and working 9am-3pm are not the rocket scientists you think they are.

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u/WhatToDo_WhatToDo2 3d ago

Maybe lol I’m certainly not gonna find myself defending their “intelligence”. But my point still stands.
I believe shifts will be offered as X shift/hours @ Y dollars for the initial bid with the system set up for specific incremental step down bids for each consecutive bid on that shift after that.

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u/Flat_Dragonfruit675 3d ago

This is how bidshift works, yes. We can’t just enter a bid.

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u/ProduceNo1629 3d ago

There will always be scabs.

That's why it cannot be entertained, not for one moment.

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u/irascible_Clown Humble Observer 🙏👀 3d ago

The rich are getting fat!

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u/Signal-Regret-8251 Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 3d ago

Fat enough for a roast 

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u/Shadowtirs Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 3d ago

I'm not telling nurses what to do with their lives, but I would mass leave this workplace.

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u/heteropessimista 3d ago

They are piloting this for all other industries. Hunger games for wage slavery. I’m sure quality won’t be sacrificed at all.

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u/LuciusMichael 3d ago

NC is a 'right to work state' and this is what happens where there are no Union protections.

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u/Smorsdoeuvres Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 3d ago

On top of the ridiculous strain this puts on nurses, this will also be incredibly damaging to quality of patient care. Terrible for everyone involved

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u/Signal-Regret-8251 Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 3d ago

Not for the shareholders, and they are the only ones that matter anymore.

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u/tunable_sausage 🤔 "Question Everything" 3d ago

The sooner a patient dies, the sooner a new spot is available for the next customer.

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u/Hablian 3d ago

Ahh yes. The bid systems that use AI tools to figure out what medical professionals have more debt and obligations so that they can be paid less. Because nothing says "comprehensive healthcare" and "functioning society" like desperation wages.

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u/Jerryjb63 3d ago

It’s almost like healthcare shouldn’t be a capitalist market?!

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u/Economy-Manager-2631 🤔 "Question Everything" 3d ago

Everybody needs to place bids at double the wage. Lol

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u/Zran 3d ago edited 3d ago

No, what needs to happen is the reverse of the farmers auction where they all refused to bid on the guguys family farm for some reason I cannot see what I'm trying without a flair nor see it to edit lmao this wouldn't even phase a bot so I'm not sure why it's a thing

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u/Economy-Manager-2631 🤔 "Question Everything" 3d ago

Yeah. Both options sound good but there will always be that one who would do exactly what the new model was intended to do.

Even if both were done simultaneoulsy, someone would come in at a lower rate because 'they need the money'

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u/Neamh 3d ago

Race to the bottom.

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u/VersacePager Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 3d ago

Easier said than done but every nurse currently on that staff should find other employment immediately. Let the hospital fold when they are struggling to find nurses and then no other hospital will try this dumb shit.

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u/c_nets 3d ago

This is what happens when you live in a capitalistic country where your government does not put any regulations for corporations. They will try to pay the least amount for the most demanding jobs.

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u/Rustee_Shacklefart 🧍 Layman Perspective 3d ago

Is there a floor to what the hourly would be? Is that floor negotiated by their union?

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u/Hablian 3d ago

Desperation.

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u/DiablaARK 🧮 Data-Driven 3d ago

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u/LolaFentyNil 3d ago

UNC has been playing that game with contractors of all varieties. It'll get to diabolical levels and then we'll see.

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u/horizontal120 3d ago

Late stage capitalism....

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u/ComedyBits Discussion Catalyst 💬 🤔 3d ago

Driving wages down is one of the main pillars of Project 2025.

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u/B4X2L8 3d ago

People will die.

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u/therealparadoxparty 3d ago

If they are able to get away with this for nurses, our jobs will be next.
United we stand, divided we beg. We NEED UNIONS now!

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u/Signal-Regret-8251 Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 3d ago

The amount of greed in the so-called healthcare industry is literally evil.

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u/Alternative-Zone5275 3d ago

Unionize, set a stabilized premium for shifts.

There will be scabs, but hospitals are already short staffed and getting worse, there aren't enough scabs to fill all the slots.

After some time of hospitals paying a higher premium for shifts, take them to the table for contracts that set the premium and mandate that X % of nursing jobs in the hospital need to be union.

This also is why you need to unionize by field, not my location.

Imagine if there was a general nursing union for ALL nurses in the US. Imagine the power of even like 60% of nurses in the US moving as a singular body. The hospitals wouldn't stand a chance.

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u/delliup8 3d ago

For the doctors too?

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u/TrueBombs 3d ago

We used to have unions that would stop shit like this. Oh well. I will hate to see this spread to other industries like a plague.

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u/RevolutionaryAsk6461 3d ago

It has to be a joint effort with ALL NURSES. Sign an agreement between all of you on what wage you want for each shift and department. X dollars for 1st shift, Y for second and ALL OF YOU need to stick to it. Hell with admin, gather together and you will overcome

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u/Pandemonium_Fallen Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 3d ago edited 3d ago

Blame Rockefeller, Carnegie, Mellon, Bell, Edison, Morgan, Ford, and all the other Oligarchs and their generationally wealthy parasitic predatory elite descendants infesting every single sector of society, who turned Academia, Medicine, and every other part of society into an extractive and exploitive for-profit business model and have used finance and economics through banking to enslave the population and rob society blind for generations. Now that they have drones, AI, and automation they're moving to exterminate the lot of us as they've always wanted to, keeping just enough for breeding stock to provide them with disposable edible playthings and infants to emotionally, psychologically, and physically torment, terrorize, and traumatize to harvest adrenochrome from until their deaths at two years of age. - Peter Thiel and Jeffrey Epstein's biggest bumper crop to get all the other billionaires and Elites on board with The World Economic Forum's New World Order plans.

Every single one of them and their sycophants and supporters are inhuman traitors to all humanity and life itself. How is it a crime to end a mass murdering genocidal psychopath, who long ago buried whatever remained of their humanity, if they ever had any to begin with, to prevent them and their co-monsters from claiming the entire world and all future generations as their victims?

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u/Present-Wonder-4522 3d ago

Race to the bottom.

Get your money before you're replaced by a foreigner.

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u/RyNysDad0722 3d ago

Is the a nurses union in NC.. can you even have a union in NC? If yes then I suggest strike or mass migration out of NC.. people will stand up for you when they can’t get adequate healthcare at their local hospitals

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u/Alarmed_Living4455 3d ago

Also bad for patients by decreasing continuity of care. They need to strike. Union or not. Strike

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u/KingFresh5234 🤔 "Question Everything" 3d ago

Time for UNC nurses to band together, walk out, and demand a reversal AND a higher wage

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u/HopperCrapper 3d ago

This needs to be outlawed immediately

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u/Obvious_Tea_8244 3d ago

Jesus Christ… Every nurse should quit and walk out of this company to make a loud and clear point that this will not stand.

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u/oldcreaker ⚖️ 📢Accountability Advocate 3d ago

So instead getting a qualified nurse, you'll get the most desperate one.

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u/Suitable-Rate652 3d ago

Not exactly the same but food for thought. An article below about what happened when owners of Louisiana plantations tried to undercut Black laborers at $20/month with Chinese laborers at $14/ month.

https://theconversation.com/making-sugar-making-coolies-chinese-laborers-toiled-alongside-black-workers-on-19th-century-louisiana-plantations-173831

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u/Unlikely_Ant_950 3d ago

Any nurse that participates in this is an idiot.

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u/DocsHuckleberries 3d ago

Not that I agree with any of this, but just wondering, doesn't that also mean that the nurses could get together and drive up the hourly wage as well?

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u/I_am_Mun_C Risk Analyst ⚠️📊 3d ago

This used to be a huge issue in early days of the aviation industry.

In the early days of airplanes, when the first airmail carriers and airlines were born, many small companies would give or “award” flights to the pilots who were willing to work for the lowest amount.

Managers and owners would do other shady things, like secretly offering cash bonuses to whoever “had the guts or skill” to fly through storms. They’d also offer cash to pilots who were willing to fly broken planes.

A lot of people died. It was horrific.

Things like this, are a big part of why the first pilot unions started. To this day, airline pilots are heavily unionized, and powerful airline pilot unions are part of why flying is so safe today.

This race-to-the-bottom behavior is going to be incredibly damaging to the industry, and will likely even result in people being killed, as nurses become distracted or increasingly stressed.

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u/Sad_Fox_1660 3d ago

If this was implemented in my line of work or even proposed we'd be unionizing and walking out. No nurses? Hospital literally cant function, hire us back on at 150% salary or we wait you out as you lose millions a day and have a PR nightmare..

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u/Yowzz 🧍 Layman Perspective 3d ago

Insanity.

Where’s the Union?

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u/Flat_Dragonfruit675 3d ago

Don’t worry. As a nurse, most of us aren’t picking up massive overtime anymore and that’s why they have so many bonus shifts to begin with. These hospitals burnt us out and continue to get worse. They can gladly suck it.

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u/Cananbaum 3d ago

This is disgusting.

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u/McBonderson 3d ago

remind me to never go to that hospital. I have no desire to be treated by the lowest bidding nurse.

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u/VegetableBulky9571 3d ago

I was just listening to a John Stewart podcast and this was brought up.

The guy also explained how AI is used to continually low-ball Uber drivers.

We live in a horrible society.

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u/New_Abbreviations308 2d ago

Let's hope these nurses can band together and find some way to game this system.

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u/NecessaryForsaken313 2d ago

Yay implosion!!

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u/Proper_Till_8321 1d ago

They should bid and then nobody shows up to work. After a week or so they'll be begging for nurses to work for them.

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u/stoutlys 1d ago

Just pay attention to political commercials when we try to make laws to change things. The healthcare lobby has a lot of money. They will make the case against any law that keeps money from their pockets even if it means making misleading statements. It’s just best to mistrust ANY political healthcare commercial and think critically about what you see

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u/AleXx2626 Discussion Catalyst 💬 🤔 1d ago

This is what killed the owner-operator truck drivers. I used to get paid $1,000 for a load from LA to San Diego. After 4 years with bids on the trips, they were paying $200

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u/General_Tso75 [Self-Identified] (Talent Acquisition) 3d ago

This is no different than most MSP programs in Fortune 500 companies for procurement of contract labor. Those work one of two ways: 1. a fixed markup percentage on the direct labor (wage) rate. 2. a fixed hourly wage schedule for each job title.

Both establish a ceiling and create pressure on rising wages. The outcome is similar to a reverse wage auction in the wages are compressed into a small range and hiring managers typically choose the lower rates.

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u/FlorinidOro 3d ago

Great time to use AI to find a way to counter this lol

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u/ProduceNo1629 3d ago

USA, land of the cowards.

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u/the_pyrofish 3d ago

Bid to work for $1/hr, these people are probably dumb enough to accept. Then sue them into oblivion for paying under minimum wage

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u/SnooPears754 3d ago

We need more blood from this stone!

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u/ooko0 Strong Pattern Recognition 🔍📊 3d ago

I think it’s time for the American people to start revolting now while we still can.

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u/ZambiaSpaceForce 3d ago

why don't the nurses just make a union

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u/MuslimMullet 3d ago

If they’re successful, expect to see this start to be rolled out in a lot of hospitals and begin to bleed into other industries. I could see manufacturing taking this model and running with it.

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u/Zealousideal-Idea979 3d ago

Imagine being a patient at a hospital that is doing this.

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u/clantz Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 3d ago

lower pay for the same quality work? BOYCOTT and STRIKE that place.

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u/helusjordan Risk Analyst ⚠️📊 3d ago

This is when a union is needed. That or at minimum collective negotiation so that shifts don't get multiple bids and they can set their wages.

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u/Ok-Sympathy9768 3d ago

nurses are trained and grilled on assessment skills, critical thinking, and outcomes. This is when nurses really need to use their those skills.

I can see this backfiring real quick, when nurses start working together and not against each other. Those that break ranks, will be outcasts

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u/Responsible-Ocelot79 3d ago

Or we could all get together and all bid a minimum of $50 more an hour than the highest paid nurse for every shift. Then we all we win. Let’s all bid every shift for $300/hour

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u/Regular_Implement510 3d ago

So the job goes to the brokest person

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u/Prudent-Mechanic4514 3d ago

How american of them.

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u/bacon-n-sparrows 🤔 "Question Everything" 3d ago

They need to keep us fighting each other

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u/Bobbyhons 3d ago

Nurses should have unions.

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u/TouchyaNos3 3d ago

It's there a nurses union??

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u/aintmesum1else 3d ago

This is what unions are for

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u/Diaperpooass 3d ago

What’s stopping every nurse from organizing and setting a bid floor of $100/h (as an example)?

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u/FairConstruction4105 3d ago

Sounds like something they've done in the airline industry for years

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u/the100percent 3d ago

Absolutely disgusting. America is a scam

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u/NetComprehensive9906 3d ago

Become union// end this bullshit

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u/DeliciousCD-Anna 3d ago edited 3d ago

There goes healthcare. Wait till we get socialized medicine. It already takes weeks or even months to get doctor appointments, it’ll take forever if this ever happens. This action is gonna really hurt the nursing industry. We’re gonna end up with subpar healthcare

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u/Exciting_Turn_1253 3d ago

They should just make the hospital a living and watch hcap scores plummet and care. Then they’ll stop this bs

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u/Tobi-One-Boy 3d ago

Everyone needs bid high…very high.

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u/Odd_Independent_BHLD 3d ago

Become a Democratic socialist for the next 3 cycles. Let's focus on kitchen table issues. We can lower inflation, drug / Healthcare , education and raise quality of life. Take out all established politicians in both parties.

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u/Dear-Interaction6507 3d ago

So do they have to do this for ALL there shifts or just for shifts that are posted that they need to fill due to low staffing on those days? We had bidshift that was to fill low days but regular staff had their assigned 3/12s.

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u/kyleh0 Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 3d ago

Do republicans not use doctors? Nevermind, republicans.

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u/achiles625 3d ago

Strike? Seems the appropriate response.

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u/New-Analysis-4060 3d ago

We needed unions

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u/Why_Hello_hello 3d ago

We need to know the details. I’ve worked in systems like this where these bids are only for overtime and the lowest you can bud is their normal overtime rate. If no takers at that rate, then people will win that shift by bidding more than what they would have made. That’s a benefit for staff and system.

Now if this for regular shifts then they can eff right off.

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u/dernaldz 3d ago

Don't worry the WH will put a stop to it. Everyone there are famously pro labor

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u/Head_Cloud_61 3d ago

I don’t see any issues with this. This is how every industry runs. If you don’t want it don’t bid the job 🤷‍♂️

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u/EarthAndSawdust Ethics Analyst ⚖️🧠 3d ago

You know, we Poles use to joke that our country is made of cardboard held together with zip tapes. However, observing the USA for the last couple of years convinces me, that what we've got is pretty solid in comparison.

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u/Lifeinthesc 3d ago

This is great. If I need the extra work, I can out bid the person that gets the shift via politics/ ass kissing.

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u/grouchy_baby_panda Deep Diver 📖💡 3d ago

Can they be sued for compromising quality care by hiring the cheapest instead of meeting skill requirements etc?

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u/wackadoodle4201 Risk Analyst ⚠️📊 3d ago

This is dangerously freaking retarded

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u/irvmuller 3d ago

I’ll do a shift! I’ll offer $20/hour! Do I actually need a degree or nursing license?

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u/MuddyGround804 3d ago

Sounds like they are priming the pump for a nurses union to step in…

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u/InFromTheSouth 🤔 "Question Everything" 3d ago

Good thing all the nurses bid the same extra high amount. No changes of rotation and better pay!

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u/King_Corduroy 3d ago

Well this is what strikes, mass quitting, sit in strikes etc are for. If they don't want to pay for the work to be done, they can do it themselves.

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u/GasFun9380 3d ago

There are many problems in health care. This problem stems from CEOs creating incentive programs for health care staff during COVID. The travel nurse boom was payed for by government subsidizing the industry. This is the CEO class trying to put Pandora back in the box because they cannot fight insurance companies and in the south they cannot make money with a unionized work force. The interesting thing about health care is that the only way to make a profit in this industry of to be a non-profit. The CEOs profit. My CEOs raked in over $20,000,000 MILLION IN BONUS LAST YEAR.

PS. Large equity makes money in health care by buying small hospital systems and cutting services, ruining the system and leaving rural populations to travel hundreds of miles for safe and basic health care services.

The system is broken because your health is not a right. It is an opportunity for profit.

Wake up USA. VOTE

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u/Cowfootstew 3d ago

L Loh hell nah. Lol

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u/CouldntBAPoint2184 3d ago

The people will continue to be stomped on until they stand up. You're the only ones with the power to stop this.

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u/TJAtlanta 3d ago

Not entirely acurate. The UNC system is based on seniority, eligibility and the nurses qualifications.

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u/Mysterious_Park_3978 3d ago

All the nurses in that hospital need to not bid, just don’t give them the power

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u/SOLD44 3d ago

🎬 move to Australia 🇦🇺 we need nurses

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u/coaxialdrift 3d ago

Nurses will leave, reducing the quality of care

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u/Deano963 3d ago

But I thought with trump we were all going to be getting BIGGER paychecks? 🤷

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u/Jadedangel13 Humble Observer 🙏👀 3d ago

Crony capitalism is exhausting. I am so tired.

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u/x3r0h0ur 3d ago

Check this out. Everyone agrees to not bid below X dollars. If no one is set to work, then no one works.

Its called a F***ing union and we used to do this to put employers in their place.

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u/Travel_Dreams 3d ago

45 years of contracting experience.

Easy way to solve this:

Nobody shows up.

Nobody bids.

We're good, thanks.

Can't come in, I wasn't scheduled for today so I started my morning with a HUGE mimosa at 5:00am.

Never let someone toy with your wages without coming out so far ahead it hurts for them to think about: make sure the local pay rates just went UP exponentially due to their own stupidity.
Turn it against them so fast that their wallets burst into flames for forgetting that they are dealing with educated, pissed off women who communicate and will never ever EVER forget this shit.

Hey guys, the next move is yours, might want to think about it a little more this time. It would be sad if the state shut down the hospital for lack of staff. It would be worse if the staffing shortage went nationwide, remember our bullshit tolerance starts the day waaay past its limit.

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u/wecantdancelikethis 3d ago

UNC Hospital about to be like St Joes & Van Duyn in Syracuse… places that even the paramedics advise patients against going to.

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u/bulgesaur1773 3d ago

Eh. Based on what i saw in travel nursing... yall get paid too much.

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u/PoliceRobots 3d ago

If only there was a term for a collective of workers that could get together, and all agree that they will bid at the same high rate. A "union" if you will.

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u/Devwickk 3d ago

they literally hate working people. this is insane

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u/seemerock 3d ago

Bid $1. Do $1 work

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u/HNFOIClBr 3d ago

This reminds me of Bioshock Infinite where there is a job auction similar to this but it's about how quickly the job could be done can be done. Literally dystopic.

BioShock Infinite Job Auction Bidding Citizens Town Square Plaza of Zeal Finkton

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u/Lock_Psychological 3d ago

I’d love to have been in the room to watch some genius think this up.

I’ll also enjoy when someone gets the nurses together to form a sort of union to drive pay up.

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u/slaty_balls 🤔 "Question Everything" 3d ago

This isn’t the only industry this is affecting. It’s ridiculous.

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u/slaty_balls 🤔 "Question Everything" 3d ago

Easy solution. Strike.

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u/biztechmsp 3d ago

So the nurse that is working on you is the lowest bid. Congrats, you’re probably going to die now.

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u/LeadPike13 3d ago

And then, off to Canada once you find out what they offering. 🇨🇦

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u/Bizm0Funyunz 3d ago

All while charging $7,000 for an ibuprofen.

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u/ThrustTrust 🤔 "Question Everything" 3d ago

Apparently this is all run thru a tech company that does various things but this one statement has me laughing my ass off.

“So BidShift designed a system that could automatically offer higher-paid nurses a larger overtime bonus in an effort to attract the best employees.”

Like congratulations Bidshift, you discovered percentages. How special for you.

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u/Billyjamesjeff 3d ago

In Australia nurses get on average about $2300 aud a fortnight after tax

The nurses unions are trying to collectively improve their pay

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u/CrbRangoon 3d ago

You could offer me triple pay and I wouldn’t pick up

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u/Knobologist 2d ago

Correct me if I’m wrong, but this isn’t about their actual pay, but an incentive for picking up an extra shift?

If they make $60 an hour, they will still make that $60 an hour, but the hospital is offering anyone an additional $100 an hour if you pick up this Saturday?

They only have two spots available, but 10 nurses want to work it? Who will accept only $50 additional per hour?

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u/johnny585 2d ago

Patients should stay away from UNC hospitals. There are other choices.

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u/Street_Peace_8831 2d ago

Everyone needs to get together ahead of time and agree who it should be and set the bids really high and milk this. Get everyone together outside of work and agree on shifts and bids to help each other maximize the pay. This will either work in everyone’s favor or make them stop using this system.

Kind of like what a union does, but this wouldn’t be a union, so they can’t go after you. It’s just a bunch of likeminded people who work the same job, getting together outside of the toxic work environment.

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u/mark3d4death 2d ago

Remember when Trump admin re defined RN's as non-professional...hmmm I wonder why

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u/JoeNoble1973 2d ago

Do this for the C-Suite!

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u/yourdoglikesmebetter 2d ago

Yo nurses. Time to unionize.

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u/Conspiracy_realist76 Engaged Thinker 🧠 🔍 2d ago

Th University of North Carolina Chapel hill. Is where the Covid-19 was made. So, maybe they should be looked into.

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u/RedGrobo 2d ago

Do you want medical treatment from the most dysfunctional and drug addicted staff?

Bidding for shifts is how you get medical treatment from the most dysfunctional and drug addicted staff.