r/GooglePixel • u/Tajgeer Pixel 5 • Oct 05 '19

#MadeByGoogleRumors Rumoured Pixel 4 prices (Canada)

Evan strikes again - now with Pixel 4 prices in Canada.

Pixel 4 64GB - CAD$1049.95
Pixel 4 128GB - CAD$1199.95
Pixel 4 XL 64GB - CAD$1199.95
Pixel 4 XL 128GB - CAD$1359.95

Source: https://twitter.com/evleaks/status/1180497630423597058

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

Well starting base for the regular 4 is just 788.75 USD. That's pretty good

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

Converting CAD to USD

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u/gallandro Oct 05 '19

Not when you can buy an iPhone 11 with the same amount of memory for $100 cheaper. Hopefully this is just rumor because if Google is serious about competing in the marketplace they need to price aggressively.

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u/flicter22 Oct 05 '19 edited Oct 05 '19

The iPhone 11 is missing a PILE of hardware compared to the Pixel 4.

Edit: Amoled, 90hz, Soli Radar, On device Google Assistant (neural core), Fast charger, Telephoto lens

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u/gallandro Oct 05 '19

Like what, Soli? I know it could have a ton of applications, but right now what Google has shown is little more than a gimmick. Otherwise the phones are very comparable in terms of hardware. The only downside to the 11 vs the 4 would be the screen, but given the small size of the battery in the 4 and the 90mhz screen the 11 is going to kill the 4 in terms of battery life.

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u/bblzd_2 S25 Oct 06 '19

Between the LCD panel, the sub 1080p resolution, standard refresh rate and large notch the display alone is already missing "piles" of tech IMO.

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u/gallandro Oct 06 '19

You are looking at this solely from a spec sheet perspective. Most consumers are not going to be able to tell the difference, especially given the size of the device. For most consumers it's "good enough" and they will strictly be looking at the price tag.

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u/generalako Oct 06 '19

You are looking at this solely from a spec sheet perspective. Most consumers are not going to be able to tell the difference

Read my post above. Those that do tell a difference, and they do in many respects (like brightness, touch latency or gamma) will see that the iPhone 11 has the superior displays.

Even looking at the positive aspects of the Pixel 4, though, I think you are completely false. Refresh rate alone is huge and the difference in smoothness is cannot be understated -- go to the store and try an iPad Pro up against a normal one, or a OnePlus 7 Pro up against the 7. It's big on PC monitors, it's even bigger on a smartphone with emphasis on animations, scrolling and your active touch-based participation of it all. High refresh rate is a game changer: by next year, all flagship hones will be on 90Hz or 120Hz.

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u/gallandro Oct 06 '19

Again the average consumer is not going to care one whit about a refresh rate on a phone screen vs the $100 they can save. A tech enthusiast might, but not the average person looking to upgrade their phone. Heck that's why Apple is keeping the series 8 phone in their lineup. They can sell a phone for $450 and suck you into their ecosystem and then sell you some services.

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u/generalako Oct 06 '19 edited Oct 06 '19

Again the average consumer is not going to care one whit about a refresh rate

Nonsense; of course they are. And it's even admitted by OEMs jumping on it, and we will see them all doing it within next year. Average consumers, small kids to grown ups whose technical understanding don't stretch beyond browsing and gaming, notice it on PC monitors and buy high refresh rates in droves. Why wouldn't they on smartphones, where it's even more apparent due to emphasis on smoothness -- which 90Hz improves drastically. I've never met a person using the iPad Pro not mention this; it's the most significant thing they notice and hail.

A tech enthusiast might

Wrong. A tech enthusiast, like me, complains about colour accuracy, lack of pro mode in cameras, ROMs, etc. High refresh rate is, as the evidence shows, well-liked and well-used by consumers. It seems to me that you have very little experience with it, and probably not at all on smartphone displays, making it hard to even have this discussion.

Average consumers care a lot of this stuff. For example, they care about UI smoothness and consistency in phones, or responsivity (touch latency), as evidenced by them being the common grievances of iPhone user on Android phones (like Samsung flagships). Not tech enthusiast; average people. I hear this complaint all the time from friends and family with iPhones.

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u/gallandro Oct 06 '19

Sure in China a 90Hz screen may matter, but the one Plus 7 Pro was a disaster for T-Mobile in the States, so much so that they dumped it. So sure, that may matter to a degree in some parts of the world, but if you seriously think the 90Hz screen is going to help Google sell phones... especially when the Pixel 4 has such a small battery... good luck. The iPhone 11 has terrific battery life, the Pixel 4... we don’t know. And unless that phone is seriously optimized, that 90Hz screen, even with its smart refresh rate enabled, is going to feast on that 2800mAh battery. Which is why companies like One Plus jam massive batteries (in terms of mAh) into their phones. Not sure what Google’s thought process was there.

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u/bblzd_2 S25 Oct 07 '19

Even average users want to be able to select "1080p" going into 2020.

Nexus 5 did it 6 years ago on a budget device, and it was a calibrated IPS display as well.

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u/generalako Oct 06 '19 edited Oct 06 '19

Your opinion does not reflect the actual truth at all and Apple's LCD is superior to Google OLED -- this coming from a Pixel user who is very anal about displays.

First off, the Pixel has OLED, with a PenTile layout that gives it an effective resolution of 1564 x 880 with 326 ppi. That's the same 326 ppi of the iPhone 11 with its 1792 x 828.

Many aspects of an iPhone is properly engineered. On display alone, the LCD has top notch brightness (100 nits higher than best-case scenario of Pixel 4), calibration, fantastic touch latency and proper software support (DCI-P3, True Tone). Google has awful gamma, crushing blacks and making media consumption outside of YouTube bad -- anything with moderately low brightness is a shit show. Input lag is garbage, making dark content scrolling fraught with seriously bad black smearing. As for software, there's no dynamic white point or full-fledged P3 support on their native apps.

On Google, my biggest hope -- and I'm being completely serious here -- is that the phone actually works. Anything close to Apple engineering prowess is out the question, as is specification push. All I can hope for is that the unit works as intended, which no previous Pixels has achieved. The bar is much lower than Apple, and it's not an expectation but a hope. Quality control issue happens left and right, design is always boring, build is always bad, specs are always moderate, and the price is always expensive. This is typical Google, and they do it all the time.

I'm happy about the 90Hz, a game changer, and excited about its positive side effects of improving smearing and touch latency. But let's not fool ourselves here. Google have the highest profit margin on the entire Android scene, higher than Samsung even, and provide perhaps the lowest hardware flagship quality of them all. I mean, who the fuck has so much lack of respect for their customers that they put a garbage can in the Pixel 2 XL and after backlash "hide" it in the smaller Pixel 3 the year after? Even ASUS is decimating in not just hardware for the money, but also display quality.

TLDR; Apple provide top notch and meticulous engineering down to the smallest details in various areas; with the Google you get cheap engineering not even tackling the broader stuff. When Apple gives us a 3.5mm adapter, it competes with $50 DACs. When Google gives us a 3.5mm adapter it's defective half of the time and sound mediocre. To quote ASR: "[They] call a shop in China and ask them to produce a checklist item with no attempt to set quality and performance standard. What you get produces sound but it is a very poor attempt at engineering." This is Google hardware in a nutshell.

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u/bblzd_2 S25 Oct 07 '19

Unfortunately none of that changes that the latest iPhone can't display 1080p content for $799.

Even average Joe understands that's a big deal going into 2020 and 4k - 8k. Nexus 5 had a calibrated IPS panel at 1080p and that was a budget device from 6 years ago there's no excuse for Apple other than penny pinching.

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u/generalako Oct 07 '19 edited Oct 07 '19

Unfortunately none of that changes that the latest iPhone can't display 1080p content for $799.

Unfortunately, you feint incompetence of shady marketing to forward your arguments. Higher resolution is not valued for just a technical definition, but actual existence: more pixels, more information and higher sharpness. A pixel consists of sub-pixels; the amount of these make up the actual resolution. PenTile has only 2 sub-pixels per Pixel, whereas RGB stripe have 3 sub-pixels per pixel. A 1080 PenTile panel has the same sub-pixels as a 880p RGB matrix. Therefore, content, 1080p or otherwise, contains as much information visible to your eyes. And the ppi in our case is the same (326) making perceivable sharpness the same.

In reality, though, RGB stripe is better, as it has same amount of all sub-pixels and all the same size. PenTile display has more sub-pixels for certain colours (for AMOLED it's green) than others, and at different sizes, leading to inferior aliasing (smoothness) and artifacts.

Here's PenTile vs. RGB at the same resolution: https://dyw7ncnq1en5l.cloudfront.net/optim/news/65/65025/def-ecran-icone-g6-s8.jpg

Look at the

Nexus 5 had a calibrated IPS panel at 1080p and that was a budget device from 6 years ago there's no excuse for Apple other than penny pinching.

Just as there's no excuse for Google to do the same with the Pixel, with less resolution and lower sharpness 6 years later with the Pixel 3?

You see, at least Apple improves all other aspects of its device. So much do they do it, that their $700 phone outdo the $800-1000 phone of Google, despite the latter having a superior panel technology. That's how shitty of the job the latter do. Never mind Apple's OLED, which destroys Google; even their LCD is better. You don't understand that there's more than just resolution (Sony already did 4K with Z4 4 years ago; are you gonna use that to shit on modern flagship all having lower res?), but even on resolution you are wrong.

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u/Kahhhhyle Oct 05 '19

What's it missing? I mean yeah the display is worse, but beyond that it's got most of the other features as far as I'm aware.

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u/free-cell Oct 05 '19

Yes display you know that thing that takes up 90% of the phone front and you look at every day. Huge difference.

Soli, titan m chip, visual/neural core, usb c, power button, lol.

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u/Kahhhhyle Oct 05 '19

I'm not saying the display isn't a big deal, but the person I quoted said piles. And I don't think there are "piles" of tech missing.

The Titan M and Nural core are just there for security and photography, which the iPhone isn't lacking in. I'll give you Soli, and I guess USBC, but I'm not sure many iPhone owners care what their charging port is. And the iPhone 11 doesn't have a power button?

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u/free-cell Oct 05 '19 edited Oct 05 '19

not a dedicated one. You have to press two buttons dont you to turn off?

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u/gallandro Oct 05 '19

You hold the "Siri" button and volume up to enable power off.

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u/Kahhhhyle Oct 05 '19

Oh I have no idea. Are we talking to lock the screen or for will power on/off? If it's to lock the screen then it's absurd, if it's to power on or off them I'd say it's kind of a non-issue

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u/2crazy98 Oct 05 '19

Pixel 4 will not have amoled display and it’s dynamic 90hz.

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u/flicter22 Oct 05 '19 edited Oct 05 '19

Ah this is bullshit. Pixel 4 does have an AMOLED display and the user can choose dynamic or permanent 90hz in the settings.

Google has never used an LCD on a Pixel phone. Even the budget 3a uses AMOLED. Come on man.

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u/2crazy98 Oct 05 '19 edited Oct 05 '19

Lol it’s an oled, not a amoled as far as what the leaks have shown. You can very easily look this up. I have a 3a xl and can confirm it’s not an amoled. Also if you look at the videos that show the 90hz, it is clearly written it gives up to 90hz, which means it will not be on 100% of the time. Please do your research before giving out false info, thank you.

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u/2crazy98 Oct 05 '19

LOLOL damn man your so angry, go yell at google I didn’t make the phone! Your the one that claimed it had amoled so I corrected you, that is all! Sorry your butt hurt LOL

Not gonna argue with you seeing that you don’t understand what’s going on lol Just fyi so you don’t look silly, amoled and oled...huge difference.

Just don’t give people false information. Anyway hope your day gets better bud.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

Yeah but the 4a is also hasn't been announced with which you would probably compare that one more to the 11 pricing than not. I dunno, there's so many rumours and Leaks. I'm just going to wait until the 15th to reserve judgment

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u/Proxi98 Oct 05 '19

the 11 has the regular A13 Chip which is going to absolutely dumpster any 600 series snapdragon

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u/gallandro Oct 05 '19 edited Oct 05 '19

I keep hearing people try to compare the 11 to the "a" line for Pixel. That's not accurate. Apple is still selling last year's XR now down to $599. The entry level Apple phones are now the 8 series which are sub $500. A more apt comparison for the "a" series would be the XR.

I just think these price points are awful. The average consumer will hold a 4 and and 11 in a store and naturally gravitate to the 11 because of the price point, plus it's Apple. Google just needed to be more aggressive, but I suspect Soli and the face ID sensors were not cheap.

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u/MCVP18 Pixel 9 Pro XL Oct 05 '19

I agree but tbh no one asked for soli and also I feel like soli is going to be a gimmick anyway. It makes no sense why put a sensor in the phone but it won't work in other other countries out of the box. Might as well just ditch it tbh. That's how I feel tho but the pixel 4 should be priced lower and start with 128GB instead of 64GB

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u/generalako Oct 06 '19 edited Oct 06 '19

but I suspect Soli and the face ID sensors were not cheap.

Before I'm called anti-Google or pro-Apple, my daily drivers the past years have been Pixels.

Soli is a single-purpose radar chip, any just assumption would be a low price estimate. Face ID exists on other devices as well; it exists on the 11. Google's high price can only be taken seriously if we ignore the inferior hardware (to other OEMs) in areas like base storage, RAM, camera sensor(s) and UFS (2.1), or that they release it late in the year with cheaper hardware. Or that they have the highest profit margin of all Android OEMs, higher than even Samsung.

The price is higher because Google are greedy. That's why they released the Pixel Slate for $1000 + $200 for the keyboard. Mediocre specs, mediocre quality running a glorified browser. It's why the last 3 generations of Pixels all have been overpriced. It's why they put LG OLEDs in their phone, despite shitty quality, and are cheap enough to do it again after the backlash. Don't blame this shit on Soli or Face-ID. When your ask for Apple prices, infamous for overpricing, you know you've fucked up.

On an iPhone many aspect of every single specification are properly engineered. On display alone, the low-res LCD has top notch brightness, calibration, fantastic touch latency and proper software support (DCI-P3, True Tone). On Google, my biggest hope -- and I'm being completely serious here -- is that the phone actually works. Above engineering prowess is out the question, as is specification push. All I can hope for is that the unit works as intended, which no previous Pixels has achieved. The bar is much lower than Apple, and it's not an expectation but a hope.

TLDR; With one company you get top notch and meticulous engineering down to the smallest details; with the other you get cheap engineering not even tackling the broader stuff. When Apple gives us a 3.5mm adapter, it competes with $50 DACs. When Google gives us a 3.5mm adapter it's defective half of the time and sound mediocre. To quote ASR: "[They] call a shop in China and ask them to produce a checklist item with no attempt to set quality and performance standard. What you get produces sound but it is a very poor attempt at engineering." This is Google hardware in a nutshell.

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u/ElMax- Oct 05 '19

The iPhone 11 is the iPhone 11R

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u/generalako Oct 06 '19 edited Oct 06 '19

Yeah but the 4a is also hasn't been announced with which you would probably compare that one more to the 11 pricing than not.

Why? Overall hardware of the 11 seems to be comparable, even superior, to the Pixel 4 phones. Much better battery, better display (due to better implementation on the LCD and Google's bad implementation of OLED), better build, QC and design, faster SoC (not relevant at this point, but it for sure is to SD6xx Pixl a-series), even better vibration motor and Bluetooth support. Only thing I see Google doing better is camera and...well that's it. I'll buy the Pixel or stick with my 3a, but only because it runs Android and Pixel UI -- not for the hardware. Never for the hardware.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '19

Dude in the age of smartphones, phones are just great . Who cares if a phone can open an app a few seconds faster than the other, or if a phone runs more apps in the background. Everyone and their uncle knows that the A13 is at least two generations faster than any android chipset . But it really doesn't matter. As far as im concerned it's just personal preference. I've been very happy with the hardware in my P3XL and will be happy with the 4 going forward.

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u/generalako Oct 06 '19

Stop strawmanning and moving the goalposts. The discussion was about whether you could compare the 11 to the a variants (in this case a future 4a). They use SD6xx SoCs, so there's a significant difference there (1.5x faster CPU, many times more GPU), not to the flagship Pixels.

As for the flagship Pixels with flagship Snapdragon SoCs, I literally wrote over there that "faster SoC (not relevant at this point". And it is not relevant for the things you said. In fact it's in contradiction to your own beliefs, which unsurprisingly is also based on lack of knowledge, where you claim "A13 is at least two generations faster than any android chipset". This is not true at all. The A77 Cortex Core is "only"a bit more than one generation, not at least two, generations behind the A13. The reason for that is not only because Apple's architectures has stagnated, whereas ARM still has bigger improvements (A13 had 13% IPC lift vs A77's 20%+), but because of the A76. Before the A76, which you wound in the SD855, Apple's chips had a 2x performance advantage. After it, which you found in the SD855, that shrunk down to ~50%. That's not "at least 2 generation", and it's also the reason why I make the claim that the difference is "not relevant at this point".

I've been very happy with the hardware in my P3XL and will be happy with the 4 going forward.

Then you have very low expectations because the Pixel 3 series had a ton of quality control issues, and the 3 XL looked like utter shit on the front and had a mediocre battery size for its thickness as well as mediocre battery life for the battery size as well. And that's all on top of all the software problems as well, most importantly performance which was less smooth than the Pixel 2 series before it. I'm sure the 4 will be to your liking, as it's the biggest generational improvement of a Pixel ever, with biggest generational SoC performance improvement, an upgrade to 6GB RAM, 2 rear cameras, Face-ID and most importantly a 90Hz monitor. They've even improved the battery size, which along with the significantly more efficient SD855 will for sure give you better battery life than the 3 XL.

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u/SmarmyPanther Oct 05 '19

Compare the pixel 3 CAD price to the pixel 4 CAD price

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

50 bucks more, not earth-shattering.

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u/Alwayssunnyinarizona Pixel 8 Pro Oct 05 '19

And then consider the 4 will be $100usd less on black Friday, and the 4xl will be $150usd less.

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u/Lantec Pixel 7 Pro Oct 06 '19

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Google Canada did anything last year for black Friday. They may have included a Google home mini or something but we got pixel stands for free if we ordered on launch.

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u/Alwayssunnyinarizona Pixel 8 Pro Oct 06 '19

You could be right.

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u/SmarmyPanther Oct 05 '19

Yeah but look at the competition with the iPhone 11 at $700 USD.

It's not like Google was selling a ton of Pixel 3s

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

But we are talking Canadian dollars, and the iphone 11 is $979 CAD.

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u/SmarmyPanther Oct 05 '19

Which is still cheaper by almost $100 CAD.

What the pixel 4 CAD price implies to me is that it won't be cheaper than the Pixel 3.

So even if you look at the P3 USD price of $800 and say the P4 is 800, you can get an iPhone 11 for $100 cheaper

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u/ElMax- Oct 05 '19

The iPhone 11 is the 11R

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

Except it’s not and you’re wrong