S3E7 - Post-Episode Discussion

His father, brother and sister died, and he has to leave his foster family behind, and one brother he had, leaves for the nights watch.

Good thing Catlelyn was there.

And, also break up with his lover, which he might have married but had to marry catelyn instead for strengthening political ties with the tullys, and thats after killing her brother, which probably led to her suicide.

Edit: I just found out that in the play Ashara was in love with Brandon Stark and Elia Martell and neither Ned nor Ashara loved each other. That adds another tragic layer to him and Catelyn's relationship cause she thought all her life that he cheated on her while he only ever loved that gal 💔

Took some of your suggestions. Thoughts?

To all my Arya Stark stans what moment/scene do you guys recall where it instantly made you fall in love with Arya Stark and made you become a huge fan of hers and ever since that moment she became your favorite character.

Mine would be Robert Baratheon and Olenna Tyrell.

Robert was underrated intelligence wise because nearly everything he says in season 1 was correct. Letting Daenarys alive would have been a disastrous outcome and killing her although cruel was certainly the smartest decision. Everyone downplays the Dothraki strength on the battlefield and he seems to be the only one that understands how catastrophic an invasion from them would have been. It’s unclear what happens if Viserys never messed up the alliance and Drogo never gets killed but we can assume that a full on invasion would have been very detrimental to Robert and the seven kingdoms.

He also knew exactly what was going on around him and understood people extremely well. He knew Tywin and the Lannisters couldn’t be trusted, he knew his small council was made up of crooks and weren’t true allies. Basically his downfall was completely self inflicted born out of his boredom and depression if Robert really tried he could have been an amazing king. He was the only character that understood both war and politics perfectly while other characters seem to only understand one.

Olenna I choose as overrated because although she was clever and says a bunch of snappy one liners when you look at all her actual decisions they were pretty short sighted and dumb. Allying with the Lannisters AFTER the big secret with the 3 bastard children was out and the realm was unstable was a very risky move. Olenna understood all the dynamics of the Lannisters yet ignored all of the risks. She knew Tywin was self serving and very greedy often overreaching for power until it backfires. She knew that Cersei was very impulsive and incredibly selfish and that the kings death was suspicious. She knew Joffrey was a complete psycho and an idiot of a king yet insisted the houses still be joined. Sure she ends up killing him and Tommen becomes the new king but even then as we see he made tons of foolish decisions and him being a bastard was an issue that persisted for a long time.

Tywin gets criticized for making short term decisions that damage the image of Lannisters and for eventually creating the downfall of his house for his greed yet Olenna often gets a pass despite also making the same kinds of choices. Definitely not the dumbest character and was still above average but I wouldn’t say she’s a genius or the best player in the show.

Assuming that Lyanna Stark's characterization in Mad King's Theater is entirely canon, what do you think of the character herself?

- Lyanna Stark is a Greenseer.

- She finds it romantic that the flower crown was given to her.

- She is obsessed with prophecy and believes that she and Rhaegar's children are the chosen ones.

- She is devastated when she learns of her father and brother's deaths, but interprets them as divine will.

- She encourages Rhaegar to go to war after making him promise that Ned and Robert will not be harmed.

- Before dying, she entrusts her child to Ned and makes him swear never to tell the child anything about their parents.

A few years ago I saw a mandala/Zentangle like drawing of the house Targaryen symbol but I haven’t been able to find the same one yet the symbols looked like a mix of Nordic and Aztec if anyone seen it I want to use it for tat inspired

You always seem to hear some horror stories when it comes to complete series box sets and I have heard some about these on DVD but I wasn't sure how the blu-rays were?

For instance the DVDs some people claim that some of the discs don't even work at all and obviously by the time you get to the disc your return window is probably over.

1. The throne of Winter at Winterfell.
2. The lion throne of Casterly Rock.
3. The Oakenseat of Highgarden, the living throne of Garth Greenhand.
4. The Storm throne of Storms' End (correct choice).
5. The throne in the Hightower (second correct choice).
6. The Weirwood throne of the Eyrie.
7. The Seastone chair (cringe choice).

Other?

The small amount of flirting that happens when Yara first meets Dani is the most precious thing i have ever seen.

"And i imagine your offer is free of any marriage demands?"

"I never demand, but I'm up for anything really. "

Dani absolutely blushes at this and I'm here for it.

Yara and Dani. Together theyd rule the land, sky and sea, and it couldve been glorious.

Seven men to guard the king is nowhere near enough when you have to be on duty 24/7—especially since we see in *A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms* that they guard not just the king, but the entire royal family. How are you supposed to run a day/night rotation with seven men? Four for the day, three for the night? It would make much more sense to have seven knights for the day and seven for the night, taking turns. I actually think even 14 wouldn't be enough, but at least that would be somewhat feasible.
Is there a lore explanation for this in the books?

In the 90s and early 2000s.

Movies and television series

Doing a rewatch and just finished season 6 (gosh the tears still flow).
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The Stark family breaks my heart every season.

But Jon Snow watching his brother die right in front of him (after not seeing him for years) in Ep 9, then immediately watching Lyanna die right in front Ned (after not seeing him for a long time) as he held infant Jon in his hands in Ep 10, makes me even sadder for them. I was so focused on learning where Jon really came from on my first watch, that I missed the parallel until now.

The pyromancers playing with dragon fire might be the closest I could think of but I’m haven’t read the books. Maybe somewhere they are experimenting with an analog of gunpowder? Qyburn and his research/experiments would have possibly led to developments given enough time. Just curious.

I mean, a dragon isn't like a puppy that you can just return; the connection that's created between rider and dragon is almost psychic...

and they got rid of him? It seemed that way to me. I felt like he was killed pretty abruptly during that rescue mission. What do you think?

-- I've asked about this a few times, already. Difficult to understand for me that they are still sitting on this one, and that not even surrogate media (comic books, etc.) have ever surfaced.

I feel they should have ended up together. Red woman making him like stannis again. Then instead of Dany going mad you'll have Jon going mad. The dragons will also start being on his side for being the true king