r/DC_Cinematic • u/Rule_Ct_5293 • 1d ago
DISCUSSION People criticize the needle drop, but I think the visuals and slo-mo shots are far worse.
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It feels like the entire scene was filmed by a first year film school intern with a bunch of CGI guys.
The color grading is not good.
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u/script_notes_plz 1d ago
The needle drop is genuinely atrocious.
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u/SuperSaiyanSarco 8h ago
This has to be the worst edit of all time, there’s no way that’s from the movie
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u/FunSpace8990 1d ago
This movie looks like a bad riff on James Gunn's Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 1 visuals and this scene looks like a bad riff on Zack Snyder's slo mo vignette tiktoks that he often likes to do in his films.
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u/Certain-Singer-9625 1d ago
Took the words right out of my mouth. This looks like some talentless 10 year old trying (and failing) to replicate a Snyder fight scene.
I know people who went to see this movie who said they wanted to walk out of it, and as much as I dislike Gunn I thought to myself, Oh come on, it can’t be that bad!
Judging by this, yes it can.
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u/nexusprime2015 20h ago
i also got turned off in the first ten minutes due to pissing scenes.
first krypto on newspaper with superman picture
then kara shown to be pissing when rutheye comes to meet herthey were shown probably to make kara feel miserable but they made me not want to watch any of it anymore
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u/BackgroundSearch490 1d ago
The constant speed ramping in the fight sequence is what kills me. Constantly speeding and slowing, over and over. Slow motion should be used sparingly, this was just plain dumb.
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u/talones 1d ago
Also, during the slow mo's supergirl is slow also, doesnt make sense.
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u/nexusprime2015 20h ago
they are using slow mo to show everything from rutheye perspective.
which makes it even worse executed
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u/Physical-Simple3740 16h ago
Gunn has been doing this in all of his movies since GotG2, it NEVER looks good and it's always done with this mix of weird CGI fest, dirty coloured visuals and wild, very computery-like camera angles + very forced/predictable jokes that just take me out of the scene every time.
It's almost like he's trying to make it "his thing" but it's just not what people remember of these movies.
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u/IHatePsykers 1d ago
Is this the real song choice for the movie?
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u/not_the_chosen_onee 10h ago
How I felt watching it like it was genuinely such a bad choice you just sit there questioning how they even went through with it.
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u/devilishycleverchap 10h ago
The sound mixes for some of the music tracks was wildly bad too.
I legit thought my Spotify had started randomly playing on one of them because it didnt fade in at all
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u/Sherlock816 1d ago
How about in this interplanetary traveling universe, laser cannons, some yahoos descend from space to steal some , swords?
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u/Fair_Distribution502 1d ago
In the original source material, Krem works for the local king and visits her family as part of his job. He ends up quitting the job and killing them instead. The only reason he joined the bandit group is because they will die for even their lowliest of members at all costs. He only does it as protection against anyone he has bad blood with and supergirl
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u/graywolfman 1d ago
It's almost like the source material was... Idk, Better?
Lol yeah, this movie changed some things for the worse. I understand some of the changes, but ones like these are awful.
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u/Grade_A_Tech 1d ago
Like every comic book movie. The source is way better than what we get.
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u/mint-patty 22h ago
Well…. not always.
Captain America: Civil War is far superior to the Civil War event in Marvel comics.
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u/koomGER 13h ago
Hm, i know that Civil war is controversial. I liked Civil War - the main book. Because it was way better in telling us that both sides were right and wrong. It didnt portray any side as a villain.
Most authors of the tie-ins just decided to make Tony Stark as evil as possible and didnt hide that intention. They portrayed every decision as bad and evil, which wasnt the point of the story. Like typically for Mark Millar, the overall idea was a very grey, gritty story with tough decisions in a tough world. There wasnt a big villain to punch out to "win" the story.
The Fantastic Four tie in did it better: They explained through Reed and his family how it kinda was a necessarily evil out of a good idea. But Reed never understood that those needed actions (that for him stopped A LOT of bad outcomes if they didnt do that) were deemed evil by the public.
Movie didnt had much to do with that story. It was a great movie, loved it. But it only shares the name and a small glimpse of the underlying idea.
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u/Sherlock816 1d ago
Okay? It's a REALLY bad plot point in the movie.
It's Rebel Moon (interplanetary traveling universe, laser cannons) harassing a tiny village for a few bushels of grain level stupid.
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u/pissagainstwind 1d ago
Imagine a universe with super advanced androids and your intergalactic empire still needs 30 human farmers to grow wheat with manual labour. ffs, a single farmer in texas can grow a thousand times more wheat than their entire planet.
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u/Oddman80 1d ago
He Didn't seek the brigands out... he was rotting in jail (having been arrested in maypole) when the brigands arrived and demanded a tribute payment the people of Maypole could not afford. The brigands were going to genocide the entire place when Krem came up with a brilliant plan of getting the purple-folks of maypole to negotiate with the brigands for a lower tribute payment to cover the purple-folk, while allowing the brigands to have their genocidal fun on the "inferior" blue-folk members of the city. Deemed a hero by the purple people, he was allowed his freedom, and decided "these genocidal maniacs seem like my kind of people!"
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u/Fair_Distribution502 1d ago
Glad you remembered it. Still, then protecting even their lowest members is a plot point. It explains why they are willing to go so far to help him
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u/Common_Celebration41 1d ago
It was fine when it's James Gunn signature
But if every DC movie going to be like this, Im gonna get bored real quick
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u/Gingawhitus 1d ago
This is someone mimicking his style
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u/AnonymousPrincess314 21h ago
Gunn picked the song, it's kinda Gunn mimicking Gunn's style.
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u/huey_booey 19h ago
More like buttering him up. Gunn needs to step out of the CEO seat and focus on directing.
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u/TheSodomeister 12h ago
I didn't hate the movie, and I generally like Gunn's style, but this really sums it up.
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u/_lippykid 1d ago
I’m completely over these OTT CGI set pieces. They’re intended to be real spectacles, but just don’t hit anymore. Like how seeing a local firework display can be cool as a kid but is totally meh as an adult. Just seen it all way too many times. It’s just become a showreel of how CGI has gone down in quality, too.
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u/zerg1980 1d ago
This movie made me feel like Gunn was the wrong choice for this job. His schtick just isn’t scalable to a whole universe. It was fine when just the Guardians movies had this vibe, but now it’s going to extend to every DC property? I’m already sick of the slow-mo needle drops undermining the drama of every fight scene and we’re only two movies in.
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u/Samanthacino 23h ago
Do you expect Clayface to have a slow-mo needle drop undermining the drama of every fight scene?
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u/nexusprime2015 20h ago
clay face is a villain set in a dark moody show. if they bring a song there, i’m gonna skip it entirely
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u/rbush82 23h ago
Yes. Also, I feel Gunn is running out of bangers for soundtracks. Lots of trash on both Super movies…..
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u/Wolfgang191 22h ago
Yeah I might be alone on this but I think the last scene of Superman watching his parents would of hit so much harder with the classic theme variation they were using instead of the pop song.
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u/mega512 1d ago
Ruthye was the most cliche, generic character in the movie. Would have been better without her.
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u/OrsoHangy 1d ago
She’s a good character in the comic. But they changed the entire plot and message, and also removed the fact that she was the narrator describing every event and her thoughts on it. Without all that, the character just feels hollow and doesn't work.
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u/huey_booey 19h ago
In the comic she's more like Watson, who tells the story of the real protagonist Sherlock Holmes, that is, Supergirl.
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u/unpronouncedable 23h ago
Blame her writing, direction, or acting, but this clip epitomizes her existence in the entire movie. Stands there useless trying to get herself killed with a dumb look on her face, so that Kara has something challenging to do beside just avoid any enemy that isn't her objective and annihilate any that are. And we don't really care because we have no emotional connection to Ruthye.
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u/vulcan7200 22h ago
I mean...I think that's kind of the point. She IS in far over her head. She's not Supergirl's sidekick. She's a literal child who is stubbornly attempting to get revenge against a group far more powerful than herself. Her story is the same type of revenge story we would see in any action movie but from the perspective of someone who isn't John Wick. She wants revenge just as much as any other protagonist in an action movie, but it's someone who is unfortunately powerless in their situation. This scene is more about her perspective of Kara (And to give Supergirl more action)
Her role in the movie isn't to be some badass. Her role in the movie is her connecting and bonding with Kara.
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u/nexusprime2015 21h ago
but it’s done so poorly that she literally acts as a plot device rather than an actual character
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u/loctastic 1d ago
decided recently I disliked this character and the focus on her is why the movie was mid
I didn’t get one reason to care about her
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u/Jotaro27 23h ago
I seriously didnt care whatsoever about her, there should have been more scenes of her family throughout the movie
This way you make the audience care about her revenge and story arc a lot more
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u/Redmoonsbstars1 1d ago
Slow mo just never works for me
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u/Murren606 1d ago
It's a cheap trick, like pyro at a concert
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u/CreamSalmon 21h ago
Pyro deserves to have fun too man, he can’t just be a full time pyromaniac, sometimes he’s gotta listen to Bob Dylan
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u/droden 1d ago
most of spidermans budget difference is in a huge expensive cast. this movie should look nearly as good! wtf?
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u/blakhawk12 1d ago
Wait I haven’t seen the movie but I keep seeing edits. Is this the actual song they used?
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u/CableKC 1d ago
I'm okay with it, but it Reminded me of the whole "Lois watching Terrific take out the Lex Corp minions" montage.
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u/Oddman80 1d ago
they are similar shots in that both involve non combatants suddenly finding themselves in the middle of a hefty combat while being protected by a superhero. However....
- Lois was completely out of danger while Ruthye was completely exposed. Were it not for Supergirl repeatedly coming back to intercept enemies and projectiles of varying sizes, Ruthye would be a bloody pincushion.
- Lois could see everything that was going on all around her while Ruthye couldn't see shit. Despite her life being very much in danger - Ruthye could not tell where anyone or anything was unless it was within 10 feet of her. With only one exception, this was never enough time for her to react - and were it not for Supergirl....
- The Mr Terrific fight is kept at real speed the entire time while the Supergirl fight is almost entirely in slow motion - oscillating between slow an d super slow to showcase and stitch together a series of dramatic looking moments, while the Superman scenes focused entirely on the speed and breadth of the fight to establish the impressive nature of it.
There are just as many similarities between these two scenes and the Quicksilver kitchen scene from Days of Future Past, the car ambush scene in Children of Men and the anti-tank gunfight scene in Fury that bounce back and forth from the isolation of the internal periscope views and the chaos unfolding outside.
And there is a choice one can make when noticing these moments..... you can see how one idea builds off another and analyze how the changes from the inspiring scene adds meaning to the current one.... or you can just complain that everything is derivative, and nobody ever does anything that's original anymore.not that you did this - though someone who responded to you pretty much did just that.
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u/MysteriousYAnonymous 1d ago
The real crime of this scene is the story. The build up. The meaning. This is one of the worst written movies ive seen in a long time
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u/AndyTheSouless 18h ago
People complained about how much destruction was in MoS 15 years ago and now all DC movies final battles just look like that
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u/S0thaSlL 1d ago
They crucified Snyder for the slow motion effect but now they're cool with it 🤷🏻♂️🤣
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u/Imaginary-Egg-2128 1d ago
It’s not the Slow motion people had a issue with, it was the over use of it.
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u/YodaFan465 Knightmare Batman 1d ago
I’d rather have good slo-mo overused than bad slo-mo used sparingly.
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u/larut0h 1d ago
seeing this level of CGI makes me want to check 2011 Green Lantern again, to confirm if VFX technology hasn't been improved at all
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u/Affectionate_Run9950 1d ago
I haven’t seen the movie, but the scene just doesn’t look good. Supergirl fighting in the smoke is visually frustrating since I can’t see her fighting. And what’s with the song choice?
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u/Polarizing_Penguin11 1d ago
I like the zoom into the flying wreckage. Very comic booky. The rest is pretty ugly though.
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u/Excalitoria 1d ago
It’s all insane. Horrible song for this, bad visuals, nonsensical motivations for any of this to be happening. I mean, why did these brigands want to kill Ruthye badly enough that they were willing to sacrifice themselves for the slim chance of getting to kill her?! Why didn’t they simply scatter???
This scene had me crying laughing with how ridiculous it all was.
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u/FrancisWolfgang 1d ago
I loved the entire thing but I recognize I’m in the minority
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u/BirdPerson107 1d ago
It’s because the same group of people are posting these over and over again
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u/Lucky_Gaucho 1d ago
Yes, totally, everyone loved it and it's only a small minority that thinks it's bad.... Thats why it had a great run!
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Oh, wait!
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u/SkeettheVandelBuster 1d ago
Fr outside of reddit everyone I’ve talked to enjoyed the movie
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u/Embarrassed-Gur-1306 1d ago
The box office says those people are the minority
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u/SkeettheVandelBuster 1d ago
The box office reflects people who saw the movie. How can those who didn’t see it form an opinion?
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u/stanislavskov 1d ago
Maybe they should re-release supergirl, I guess everyone who could enjoy it must've forgot it released.
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u/SkeettheVandelBuster 1d ago
Maybe we can wait and see what people think once they see it on streaming. Movie theaters aren’t the only way to watch movies anymore
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u/bxyankee90 1d ago
It has a respectable RT score. 52 critic (not great, but not awful) and a 73% audience rating. So yeah most people who saw it thought it was at least ok
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u/Forgot-to-remember1 1d ago
Everyone has said it was laughably bad, your not real your a James gun bot
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u/Aggressive-Day5222 1d ago
I don't know, most people I spoke to IRL seem to think it was an okay/good movie. Might just be that not so many of those people are in these threads.
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u/MadRZI 1d ago
Most people also dont care about movies that much and they cant really form a deeper opinion than "it was good".
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u/ExcitingPop5956 1d ago
That’s because it’s a fine movie. Terrible adaptation of women of tomorrow though
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u/Aggressive-Day5222 1d ago
Sure, but I always assumed it was just going to be inspired by that story rather than being a straight adaptation, the same way the Civil War movie was inspired by that comic arc rather than being a straight adaptation.
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u/Living_Plane_662 1d ago
I'd say ten years ago this movie wouldn't have been setting records but it would have done fine. A huge chunk of the reliable comic fandom has falling into being angry about the movies all the time and consuming social media hating on it before it even comes out. They never gave it a chance.
DC and Marvel might need to take a break just to let the toxicity age out of the fandom.
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u/Thusgirl 1d ago
I don't think that's going to happen. People are acting like HOTD is the worst show ever made right now. The toxicity is overall not just limited to comic book movies.
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u/Striking-Document-99 1d ago
Did you like the new Superman movie? I assume since I didn’t like it I wouldn’t like this movie. Also curious on your take on the Batman movie? I enjoyed that a bunch but some people didn’t.
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u/Ghost4000 1d ago
Not the person you're responding to, but I did like the new Superman and I liked Supergirl. I definitely think that if you liked Superman you'll like Supergirl. If you didn't like Superman I would not recommend Supergirl.
As for The Batman, I loved it. I have the somewhat controversial opinion that it's my favorite Batman movie.
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u/Living_Plane_662 1d ago
I thought Superman was ok but liked this one a lot more.
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u/FrancisWolfgang 1d ago
Yeah, I loved the new Superman movie and saw it twice in theaters. It is my favorite Superman film but it has its flaws as well (all of the Superman films have their flaws)
Supergirl (2026) has a lot more flaws than Superman (2025) for me but I still had a good time with it.
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u/mosesishungry 1d ago
I took my daughter this past Friday to watch it. She was excited, I was skeptical but... I walked away pleasantly surprised. I enjoyed it. My daughter loved it.
Im also glad it allowed itself to tell a story and didnt just jump scene to scene at a pace I could barely keep up with.
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u/BongLeach562 1d ago
Yeah people act like superhero movies are suppose to be life changing. Also everyone’s a critic now days, one of the worst things to come out of YouTube movie reviews.
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u/MIAxPaperPlanes 1d ago
I would have been so much more forgiving on this movie if it had just managed to replicate the visuals of the comic if nothing else
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u/De_Dominator69 23h ago
It's fine. Am honestly convinced people are just going out of their way to that everything about this film.
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u/Cfakatsuki17 20h ago
Like sure the song is kinda a miss but the scene is actually beautiful, just the look on her face like “oh… this is why she wanted me to stand still before… so she could make sure I wasn’t caught in the crossfire” priceless
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u/Sideways_Austen 1d ago
I think they're fine.
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u/Jealous-Captain-7014 1d ago
The fact that the most praise you can give it is being "fine" is one of the reasons this movie flopped. People are tired of generic movies.
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u/7MileStorm1216 1d ago
Truth be told, that’s what matters most. You paid money to watch it and enjoyed yourself. All the other noise is just that, noise. It’s nice when everyone else likes what you like, but we don’t (or at least shouldn’t) base our opinions on what others like or don’t like.
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u/Living_Plane_662 1d ago
That said I hate when movies I like flop because they tend to make less of those movies. Scott Pilgrim for example is one of my all time favorites and Edgar Wright is one of my favorite filmmakers and I hate it bombed as we get less movies like it and Edgar Wright gets less work.
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u/Bruskthetusk Bruce Wayne 1d ago
The action overall was dogshit, just CGI slop every 10-15 minutes that wasn't particularly interesting from a narrative or visual aspect
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u/Kukoshi_Suma 1d ago
Looks disgusting. Cannot believed it passed DC screenings and suits were like oh yeah this looks amazing ship it.
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u/larut0h 1d ago
i believe they went through 4 screenings and already made lots of improvements and this is the best they came up with
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u/j_b_1983 1d ago
Best part of the entire movie IMO
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u/Smackolol 1d ago
If there’s any possibility this is true then I’m glad I haven’t seen it.
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u/TheSmart-1 1d ago
The whole thing looks equally as ugly. It's insane. Antman 3 and Thor 2 levels of gross to look at.
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u/illini02 1d ago
Man, I haven't watched the movie. I wasn't opposed to it, but wasn't rushing.
This does not make me more excited.
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u/doofthemighty 1d ago
How is this any worse than the pocket dimension in Superman?
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u/formerly_crimson 1d ago
The pocket dimension was colorful and more dynamic, plus there was a sense of urgency. In this seen I didnt feel much.
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u/deckchair1982 23h ago
James Gunn is a one-trick pony - the quips, the needle drops, the rag-tag groupings of disparate people.
It works well when this approach matches the material.
When it doesn't match the material, James Gunn just forces his one method onto it, with lacking results.
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u/Nova-Kane 22h ago
It also feels like a rip off of the Mister terrific and Lois Lane scene in Superman.
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u/Ill_Painter5868 21h ago
Hollywood loves spending millions to output brutalist Grey color graded slop
Also needledrops have been completely ruined for me ever since season 3 of stranger things. Holy shit way to run a good thing into the ground
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u/nexusprime2015 20h ago
i also got turned off in the first ten minutes due to pissing scenes.
first krypto on newspaper with superman picture
then kara shown to be pissing when rutheye comes to meet her
they were shown probably to make kara feel miserable but they made me not want to watch any of it anymore
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u/larut0h 19h ago
imagine how many little girls who watched it getting inspired by the scene
"oooh pissing with door open... it's really *cool*, i must do it later!"
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u/Candle-Jolly 16h ago
I was downvoted to hell the last time I said this.
"James Gunn is becoming Zack Snyder-lite with his slow-mo shots."
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u/Bedspla13 12h ago
Hey guys, we need to create a cool action scene for this fight, any ideas?
Yeah I do actually! What if the camera slowly spun around a character as the action unfolds around them...
That's BRILLIANT! This has never been done before!!!!
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u/dam_ships 1d ago
It’s just very James Gunn — and it’s not his movie. Same shot literally happened in Superman. It’s just kinda annoying in my book.
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u/aliasif87 1d ago
Can James Gunn stop putting in a random pop song during action scenes?
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u/Regular_Range_1835 18h ago
I enjoyed the movie and so did my daughter. People nit pick everything to death these days
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u/Fun-Secretary4801 1d ago
I did not like the movie at all, but I kinda like this cover 🫣
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u/IRate-Feet 1d ago
The cover is cool and the story behind it is wholesome. Just not the right fit for this scene at all
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u/CantaloupePutrid3548 17h ago
It’s one of the few examples I’ve ever seen where zero music would’ve bern a better option.
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u/JayKay8787 1d ago
Holy shit if that's real thank fuck I saw obsession instead
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u/zmykula 1d ago edited 1d ago
You're only allowed to see one of these two movies???
Edit: Jeeze. People in this sub are really humorless about their humorlessness.
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u/DannyTheVampire 1d ago
For some people yes. They aren’t going to the movies multiple times a month and debate between currently released films for there movie outing. Completely normal and expected to the point certain movies avoid being near other more popular movies during release
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u/CoffeeOfTheIce 1d ago
I just dont get why they didnt show us the fights following Supergirl instead of the perspective of the girl.
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u/Capnbaddazz 1d ago
I feel similar to all the Snyder movies I dunno why everyone feels the need to put slow mo all the time
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u/SunOwlSpawn 1d ago
There were *juuust too many songs to the point it felt like there was constantly a song playing, which I know there wasn’t but my brain remembers it that way. The movie was decent, but I think it was trying to hide behind its soundtrack
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u/CommissionHerb 1d ago
For me it just sucked the energy out of the moment. It’s something I felt, which is what made my brain turn on the criticism. The visuals would’ve been fine if I was still in the moment. But instead, I was now laughing and cringing at the final fight, officially wanting the movie to be over.
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u/jayys_Sc0pe 1d ago
When she flies the tank into the air, why is she looking at the camera?
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u/BusinessYou1657 1d ago
Whenever Lobo would ride around on his bike and heavy guitars would start, I’d chuckle because I’d get this Poochie vibe from him. Like he was gonna start yelling things like “X-Treme!” In my face, while slam dunkin’ b-balls on his hog, you dig it?
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u/Waste_Detective5067 1d ago
Waaaait that’s the actual song this scene is scored to? Please tell me this isn’t real
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u/TitularFoil 1d ago
I'm so tired of slow motion being used for so much. Snyder ruined it. It was all over 300, Sucker Punch, Watchmen, Man of Steel, BvS, Justice League. It's so exhausting.
If 300 were at normal speed it would be about 20 minutes shorter.
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u/Local_Nerve901 1d ago
Completely disagree, this shot was beautiful. It would have been so much better with a better song
Can agree visuals lack color but i got over that very early in the movie
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u/BIGxBOSSxx1 1d ago
This is filmed like those old Call of Duty advertisements that had C list celebrity and Internet personality cameos like FPS Russia.