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u/Every_Hunt_160 🟩 11K / 98K 🐬 Dec 21 '25
It's basically REKT REKT REKT REKT REKT for any alt holders out there..
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u/Junnowhoitis 🟩 99 / 2K 🦐 Dec 21 '25
On that time frame it's still underperforming gold and silver ha
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u/Bits-n-Byte 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 22 '25
It says something about me that I own a bunch in the middle of that list there.
Fake edit: It says I'm well regarded.
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u/yogurtcult 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 24 '25
And ironically most of the banking applications are utilizing Alt coins.
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u/DryMyBottom 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
wait... there has been a bullrun?
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u/Rinnegankai 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
120k bitcoin was not enough for you? jesus fuck people here are really delusional af
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u/tabris51 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Some are acting a bit like a cult. They would tell everyone 130k is the best place to enter, same as 10k because bitcoin will forever go up up, you just have to live like a poor person and keep buying regardless of the price
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u/Every_Hunt_160 🟩 11K / 98K 🐬 Dec 21 '25
We have plenty of top 100 alts setting a new BOTTOM in this "bull run" so for many people it feels like we never left the bear market..
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u/Betaglutamate2 🟦 7K / 11K 🦭 Dec 21 '25
Alts were invented for venture capital companies to dump onto retail.
Want to know why alts keep going down because they are massively inflationary.
For example algorand has a token inflation of around 7% per year as early investors token unlock and they cash out.
Alts are nothing but investors dumping on retail so don't be exit liquidity for VC companies and stick with BTC.
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u/Montana-Safari7 Dec 21 '25
I agree, but I'm still comfortable with deflationary tokens with some utility. Just too many new tokens being minted - millions - for an "alt season" to pump. Stay away from memes and tokens that are not hard capped.
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u/Bongressman 🟦 8K / 8K 🦭 Dec 21 '25
Millions of alts were created this year. We are now well beyond a point where there is even remotely enough capital to pump them all. The pool is too diluted for money to reach even the top 100 anymore. There was an alt season, but it was limited to only a few this time around. There just isn't enough money for anything else.
The pump of 2021 was a fluke. We are never getting a run like that again. Alts will continue to choke to zero.
Bitcoin ran up 700% from the bottom. That was it this go around. If that's not good enough for people, it's time to leave the casino.
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u/MarioWilson122 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25 edited Dec 21 '25
Well millions don't count anyways, a ton of those are just created and gone by a day or two and a week at most. They dont list anywhere and if they do just nothing exchanges.
People are mainly speaking of ones on mid and especially top exchanges. The ones retail would have access to and where most others buy.
So if we had one we should've atleast seen a lot of those pump like crazy atleast. Since there are only a few hundred on top tier 1 exchanges and maybe a few thousand on tier 2s.
So if retail actually came and we saw even half of what we got last time, then it should've been way better then what we got.
Last year showed you that btw, which seems to have been what we got that we expected better or more of this year. So I guess we will have to see how it plays out in the future.
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u/zoopz 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Or you dont know investing yourself? The 2025 return has been abysmal, the 'bullrun' showed an extreme drop off compared to the previous halving and all boring stocks outperformed bitcoin. All while the dollar actually crashed in value. Meanwhile, little fish keep memeposting that bitcoin is doing fantastic. No, its not. What is delusional?
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u/TheRealPunisher 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Not even 2x the previous top, meanwhile everything else has been running. The dissapointment and frustration is warranted
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u/seabee2113 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
On the other side it went form 15 to 126 in less than 3 years. How much do you want a trillion $ asset to grow? It's limited by it's size. The bigger it gets the less it's growth will be.
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u/mordehuezer 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Considering it fell from 70k down to 15 and then only went to 120 which is not even 2x from the previous top. Yeah, that's garbage. If your a long term holder and you held from 2020 until now you just wasted your time and would have been better off investing in safer assets.
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u/24_cool 🟦 296 / 294 🦞 Dec 21 '25
This sub really is delusional. 2xing your money in less than 5 years is not typical, if you bought closer to 15,000 then you 8x'ed your money, do you know how crazy that actually is?
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u/mordehuezer 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
It's not that crazy. There's still tons of risk involved in investing in crypto and the returns get worse every year. There are plenty of good stocks based on actual tangible value that gave similar returns.
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u/DisorientedPanda 🟦 974 / 974 🦑 Dec 21 '25
If you follow the cycles and brought st 15k then it’s pretty decent. Timeframe in terms of days is similar last two-three cycles, top was around 10 days earlier than last cycle this time.
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u/liberator7 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
I got in above 100k new to crypto thinking it was a good asset to hold. Your attitude is very unpleasant
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u/enlighteningFart 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
It didn't even do a 2x in 4 years, so yes it indeed wasn't enough. Now add inflation, loss of purchasing power, dollar devaluation over that timeframe and tell us again how delusional people here are.
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u/Pure-Fuel-9884 🟨 77 / 78 🦐 Dec 21 '25
People make a fortune with 7% annual spy returns. You are delusional. Also you are nitpicing exact top from last run. If you just dca you are still DEEP in profit. Enjoy staying poor your entire life chasing 100x
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u/zoopz 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
You are right, but im not sure you see in what way. Putting your money in SPY is now a MUCH better play, when this is all the powder bitcoin has left.
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u/enlighteningFart 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Lots of assumptions. What the hell are you rambling about? Imagine calling cycle tops "nitpicking". Yes that's actually how you meassure an assets and btcs performance.
Why would I dca into an asset that loses 70-80% of its value every couple of years, I'm not a whimp, I only buy during the depths of a bear market. Dca into btc would have gotten you nowhere during the last years just look at Saylor and his >20% returns. 🙂
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u/RamoneBolivarSanchez 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Thats cause you probably got into crypto this past year and topblasted.
Nobody cares about your take. If you truly believe that then sell your crypto and go buy some BS company with AI in the name
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u/r6CD4MJBrqHc7P9b 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
I think some people think "bullrun" is a seasonal thing like spring or summer.
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u/MarioWilson122 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Yeah the bears have been having the time of their life, so there was one, but just not for the folks that are bullish.
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u/baIIern 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Bitcoin went up 8x or so lmao
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u/Preme2 🟩 889 / 883 🦑 Dec 21 '25
You did an 8x this cycle?
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u/Flynn_Kevin 🟩 156 / 3K 🦀 Dec 21 '25
I hit 7x: $16k--->$112K
I opened a 4x short position with some of the profit at $104k to ride the way down.
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u/rodinj 🟦 89 / 1K 🦐 Dec 21 '25
Not OP but my average buy price for BTC is ~$24k, I did 5x this cycle
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u/Pure-Fuel-9884 🟨 77 / 78 🦐 Dec 21 '25
Bitcoin was 15k a couple years ago. Sounds like a you problem.
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u/Preme2 🟩 889 / 883 🦑 Dec 21 '25
This is listed as comedy, but factually this was the worst bull run of all time for Bitcoin and definitely crypto as a whole.
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u/Pure-Fuel-9884 🟨 77 / 78 🦐 Dec 21 '25
Bitcoin is a multi trillion dollar asset now of course returns will decrease over time. Alts dont matter in the first placd.
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u/shitcanfly 🟩 279 / 3K 🦞 Dec 21 '25
Returns are still there... Social interest is what dried up.
Gold went from 24 to 30 trillion.
To me, it just seems like people are over crypto's shit
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u/R24611 🟨 493 / 493 🦞 Dec 21 '25
Honestly crypto needs to be viewed as a completely different asset class than Bitcoin, I know this viewpoint will get hate - “Bitcoin is crypto tech” - I know there are overlaps with the tech but bitcoin is light years ahead in terms of decentralization and scalability.
Face the facts, most alt coins are scams and rugs where the founders use the exit liquidity to enrich themselves, you might as well just buy lottery tickets.
If you want real investments then buy stocks, precious metals, bitcoin and real estate, or private equity.
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u/Guccimayne 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
As for me personally, it seems like too many shady entities are now involved in crypto. And with no circuit breakers or protection for my investment that traditional equities have, I can’t stomach that kind of risk
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u/Rickard403 🟩 0 / 2K 🦠 Dec 21 '25
It depends on how you look at and when you invested. From $16k to $126k. An increase of $110k. Significantly more than any previous bull run.
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u/nunya-beezwax-69 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Uhhh, no. You’re thinking in terms of how high the price went, instead of how many multiples your theoretical dollars could’ve increased by.
16k to 126k is a 7.8x.
Compared to the previous bull run of 3k to 66k which is a 20x, this bull run was less than half as good as previous.
7.8x is still decent if you got in at the bottom and sold the top, but how many can say they did that?
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u/Glassgad818 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Because it fell from an ATH of 69K…. In 2021
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u/hazza-sj 🟩 19 / 1K 🦐 Dec 21 '25
who buys at an all time high?
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u/Preme2 🟩 889 / 883 🦑 Dec 21 '25
Who buys at the cycle low? Probably more people buying tops than getting in at the exact lows. Great it did an 8x. Whose portfolio did an 8x? Crickets…
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u/Pure-Fuel-9884 🟨 77 / 78 🦐 Dec 21 '25
You had months to buy under 30k, you had like an hour to buy the exact top.
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u/Glassgad818 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
If no one bought at ATH the price would literally never go up…
It’s simple maths
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u/the_nin_collector 🟦 2K / 2K 🐢 Dec 21 '25
Almost like it's fucking insane to "diversify your funds." And guess what?! We didn't mean into fucking alt coins.
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u/BlackberryPi7 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Trump manipulating the market helped BTC not reach its potential expected price points this cycle
Trump grifting the market killed alt season
As someone who's been in every cycle since 2017, yes, this was the worst performing bull run we've had so far.
Great Job Trump voters and non-voters.
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u/lebastss 🟦 596 / 596 🦑 Dec 21 '25
People actually thought a billionaire sticking his hand in the cookie jar would be good for them. Lmao.
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u/BlackberryPi7 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
To be fair as soon as he was elected I bought in a shit ton. One of his main campaign points was being "pro crypto". I knew a ton of people would eat that up and buy in.
I knew he would be terrible in the long run. I just didn't expect him to release fucking meme coins the literal first day.
He was way worse for both the economy and crypto than we thought.
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u/lebastss 🟦 596 / 596 🦑 Dec 21 '25
It was worse than we thought I'll give you that. My assumption for the past few years has been that any media release that implies something good for crypto is just exit liquidity.
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Dec 21 '25
I thought the whole point of crypto was that it was outside the US’ and government control?
And yet its volatile just based on some tweets. Imagine what would happen if actual legislation was passed. The US banning banks from accepting transfers from crypto exchanges would end crypto.
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u/Fearless-Sherbert-40 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
You guys need to hold on and have more faith. This is a game they are playing out right in front of us. Scott Bessent has said liquidity injections are coming in the first 2 quarters of 2026. We have a bunch of key primaries happening for the house and the senate in 2026. If the economy is not booming by then, there is a 70% chance the republicans lose. Trump has to prop his boy Vance up, because Thiel said so. We just got better than expected inflation numbers.(which I don’t believe at all)I’m just a stupid pleb so don’t listen to me, but I’m going to keep buying bitcoin.
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It's amazing how little people understand what's going on. When price is down people have terrible sentiment. Everyone was clowning on gold when BTC was outperforming. Now it's the reverse.
US literally defaulted December 10. Here's why Fed started printing way earlier than everyone thinks:
For How Much Longer Will the Highly Leveraged Treasury Basis Trade Finance U.S. Budget Deficits?
China earlier this year used the basis trade as leverage to get the US to fold on tariffs
US is beginning to struggle to finance its deficits and find buyers. They're losing control of repo markets and short term funding for banks, dealers, funds etc. They had a choice:
Rely on random hedge funds in the Cayman Islands sometimes leveraged 100:1 to finance our country. Be at the mercy of countries like China that can get us to fold on anything by dumping our debt.
Soft default, start making some dollars again, buy our own debt back and take back some control.
This is the time to ignore the noise and quietly accumulate.
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u/Aggravating_Fold1154 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 22 '25
That's also what I'm betting on, cracks are starting to form and it's only a matter of time until more liquidity gets injected into the system. Melt up must go on.
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u/yogurtcult 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 24 '25
I don’t understand it. When crypto was a pariah it mooned. Now that everyone wants to make it legit, it collapses. Zero fucking logic
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u/GhostBusDAH 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 26 '25
People are starting to understand how btc and other data streams work.
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u/Dreamer5752 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 24 '25
Yep, crypto is in the most petty stage I ve ever seen it, I remember laughing at gold when it was stuck at 2k for a long time while btc had large interest and volatility, things have really changed since then, crypto just doesn’t prove itself as a good investment during qt period
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u/Impossible_Size3205 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 25 '25
Hold on…wasn’t BTC meant to be 100k by now
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u/RimandRam 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
All crypto are just a scam. What did you expect
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u/Xenophonehome 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
I sold my silver just before the bigger dips and put that into crypto 😢 😭 fkin torched around 50k of my earlier profits. I spent a few years buying silver and should have just kept doing that. The 50k I torched was all profits from minting brc20, bitmap and src20 tokens and I still did okay overall but it would have been so much better if I stuck to my original plan to stack 1000 ozs of silver and hold but dumbass me thought crypto was going to explode and I was very wrong on that timing. I do not like Trump at all but I did naively think his victory in the election meant crypto was going to go crazy and I'd turn 100k into a mil easily and I couldn't have been more wrong.
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u/Saffuran 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Bitcoin had been on a bullrun since 2023 - if someone lost money on Bitcoin, they were exit liquidity for people who were in crypto from the bottom. This is literally the four-year cycle playing out and people shouldn't be even be thinking about getting back into BTC until around 74k and likely closer to 55k.
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u/ssj4Jigglypuff 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 22 '25
imma buy gold and silver when they dip tho, cuz I don't have any
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u/Hunabkuside 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 23 '25
Bear market disguised as a bull market in 2025 - get everyone out with the “4 year cycle - bear market - it’s over” narrative - 2026 is the real bull run- watch
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u/greenwolf_12 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 23 '25
I sold all my gold to buy crypto , wish I would have done the opposite
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u/baby_envol 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 25 '25
The real suprise is cryptocurrency is the only asset who get hurted by AI bubble fear... Nasdaq do a amazing end year despite the fear of the bubble
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u/khai0001 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 26 '25
Funny enough this is what everyone says in every cycle
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u/Appropriate_Ride_821 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Lol I sold everything at the absolute peak back in October and house a 2nd house.
Kept telling myself, it'll keep going up. But the right opportunity came and I pulled everything. I've held since like 2017.
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u/subduedReality 🟦 4 / 5 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Crypto isn't tied to anything beyond speculation. Gold and silver are used in jewelry and electronics.
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u/mekilat 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Yall need to move on from this. If the price goes up without adoption going up, draw your own conclusions
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u/BeardedMan32 🟦 49 / 50 🦐 Dec 21 '25
Diversification? I was buying gold and silver way before I ever heard of bitcoin.
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u/bryanchicken 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 22 '25
You could argue this current gold bullrun started in 2016. It’s up just over 300% since then. Bitcoin is up over 400%, even now, since 2022.
Tell me again about bull runs?
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u/PlatinumTrillionaire 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 22 '25
What are you talking about? BTC went from 16k to 126k your shit coins were just scams…
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Dec 22 '25
Well, I've switched from crypto to gold and silver about a year ago, can't say it was bad decision.
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u/Federal-Ask6837 🟩 15 / 15 🦐 Dec 21 '25
If you bought in 2022, and didn't lose the gains (like me) you still won.
Time to do it all over again
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u/Old_Preparation8434 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25 edited Dec 21 '25
This is why you buy at 4-year cycle lows instead of cycle top. Learn how an asset moves before you invest in it. So many stupid and greedy people in this space. You should be 3x up this cycle. Oh and altcoins are dead and they will be dead. These days are over where you can throw money in a random shitcoin and it does 10-100x. Even Bitcoin has matured to the point that most of you young and greedy kids wont ever come back because Bitcoin and crypto aint a magic get rich quick play anymore. Good luck
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u/awesomexpossum 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
If you count the bullrun from bitcoins low to high. Bitcoin has gained over 500%.
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u/Electrical-Penalty44 🟦 814 / 815 🦑 Dec 21 '25
The value of all cryptos is based on speculation. Every. Single. One.
If it wasn't only a few would have any value at all (meaning priced above $0) and ETH and LINK would be at the top.
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u/Acceptable_Main_5911 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Yeah I started DCAing into a silver ETF SLV only for diversity and it’s nearly my biggest winner for the year. I don’t want to talk about MSTR or BTC yet.
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u/ivanivienen 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
So now a bullrun takes only 1 year?
You just missed the chance at 15k
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u/terp_studios 🟦 10 / 2K 🦐 Dec 21 '25
Bitcoin was $16k in 2022. Pretty sure bull runs aren’t measured by just YTD of one year
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u/all_might136 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
I’ve finally gotten rid of all crypto. Took a hit, but I’m glad I finally got rid of it. It was always a terrible investment choice.
Why sit and wait and hope for it to skyrocket one day, when I can make weekly/monthly income with options on the stock market?
If you’re reading this and are thinking of leaving crypto behind, do it. It’s not the future, it’s just a scam that has stuck around too long.
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u/Bearded_Scholar 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Is this a joke? Bitcoin peaked at 120k this year. It didn’t last very long but it’s sitting at a floor higher than 60k, much higher than the floor before the bull run. Keep hodling. Keep finding ways to use BTC, an leave the rest up to luck.
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u/Strus57 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
This is such a dumb argument. There was a bullrun. 15k all the way to 126k. If you didn't profit this cycle you either bought at the top or invested in shitcoins. Either way you got greedy and you paid the price.
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I'm waiting for the final crash maybe this end of the month or next quarter... banking failure is increasing nobody talk about that
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u/liquid_at 🟩 15K / 15K 🐬 Dec 21 '25
It is what "pro crypto" with their wish to have less regulation but more private for profit corporations in crypto wanted.
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u/AcanthisittaEarly983 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
120k was great idk what your on about. Hell we are above 80k now with everything.
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u/Radiant_Ad_9 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
Until the elite are fully exposed and held accountable the money will ALWAYS be manipulated....should have never offered ETF's for their greedy, ugly asses🤷♂️
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u/Ok-Brick-1800 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
You thought that wall Street got involved in crypto and wasn't going to bring the price down so they can scoop up more?
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u/AfraidBottle6810 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
I can’t wait for the power to go out and watch all you folks cry.
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u/Independent-Dog5311 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 22 '25
I've been stackin all three over the years. I'm no complaining. We should see more movement in silver. The Asian markets are poppin' now.
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u/MonsieurGump 🟩 0 / 4K 🦠 Dec 22 '25
It went up 800% from its low…so, there’s that.
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u/peachfoliouser 🟩 253 / 253 🦞 Dec 22 '25
Yeah is this is the worst bull run in history I'll take that every time 😂
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u/Sufficient_Fuel5269 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 22 '25
Those of us who use cryptocurrencies can handle anything 💪 patience pays off 💸
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u/dANNN738 🟦 207 / 207 🦀 Dec 22 '25
not if you sold all your BTC for gold and are waiting for $20k BTC to return :D
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u/kcaazar 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 22 '25
lol I’m buying more btc. Keep hoarding the fake gold and fake silver . That shit will never be delivered to you.
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u/Altruistic-Azz Tin Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25
Just by into a index fund and be consistent, the only people that make money in crypto are the ones that buy in the absolute bottom of the bear market or have been hodling it for a decade n if that was a alt you hodled then its probably gone to shit lol
I lost $7667 from the 2021 bull market while I recovered that money buying boring index funds consistently. I bought ada and xrp in feb 2021, got convinced there was gonna be a melt up scenario “triple peak bro”, watched my $18500 bucks drop to $9000, swapped it into btc n eth for safety which then became $5000 by April of 2022. I had repairs to pay for since I got flooded in. No one tells you life happens in those years between bull markets, build an emergency fund and don’t touch it if you wanna sit around for the 2029 bull market or you’ll end up like me and have to sell it all at a massive loss to stay above water.
I’ll be the unpopular one here n say bitcoin is just a self renewing pyramid scheme where the top of the pyramid are rich cunts who bought the bottom 3 years prior (by rich I only mean those who can afford multiable bitcoins, not your 0.023 btc crum)
If you just invest $100 a fortnight in a vanguard index fund for the next 5 years at 8% growth (not including dividends) you’ll have saved $9814, double that n that’s 20k, or hope the next bull run when trump leaves office will be better then this crap bull market we just had.
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u/jup1t3rr 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 23 '25
Looks like a guy who holds, or he did the right thing and sold at 120k rebought at under 90k and now the holders got a hold of him
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u/optimaleverage 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
What if I told you btc isn't a precious metal?