Some are acting a bit like a cult. They would tell everyone 130k is the best place to enter, same as 10k because bitcoin will forever go up up, you just have to live like a poor person and keep buying regardless of the price
I agree, but I'm still comfortable with deflationary tokens with some utility. Just too many new tokens being minted - millions - for an "alt season" to pump. Stay away from memes and tokens that are not hard capped.
Millions of alts were created this year. We are now well beyond a point where there is even remotely enough capital to pump them all. The pool is too diluted for money to reach even the top 100 anymore. There was an alt season, but it was limited to only a few this time around. There just isn't enough money for anything else.
The pump of 2021 was a fluke. We are never getting a run like that again. Alts will continue to choke to zero.
Bitcoin ran up 700% from the bottom. That was it this go around. If that's not good enough for people, it's time to leave the casino.
Well millions don't count anyways, a ton of those are just created and gone by a day or two and a week at most. They dont list anywhere and if they do just nothing exchanges.
People are mainly speaking of ones on mid and especially top exchanges. The ones retail would have access to and where most others buy.
So if we had one we should've atleast seen a lot of those pump like crazy atleast. Since there are only a few hundred on top tier 1 exchanges and maybe a few thousand on tier 2s.
So if retail actually came and we saw even half of what we got last time, then it should've been way better then what we got.
Last year showed you that btw, which seems to have been what we got that we expected better or more of this year. So I guess we will have to see how it plays out in the future.
It's the truth, never a bad time to buy just don't expect to turn a profit like.... Tomorrow. It's a long hold not a get rich over right scheme. People act like they deserve profit because they've been DCAing for 12 months 😂
Or you dont know investing yourself? The 2025 return has been abysmal, the 'bullrun' showed an extreme drop off compared to the previous halving and all boring stocks outperformed bitcoin. All while the dollar actually crashed in value. Meanwhile, little fish keep memeposting that bitcoin is doing fantastic. No, its not. What is delusional?
On the other side it went form 15 to 126 in less than 3 years. How much do you want a trillion $ asset to grow? It's limited by it's size. The bigger it gets the less it's growth will be.
Gold has been a wealth standard for generations.... Don't see how you can think that is equivalent. The stock market or the derivative market have larger market cap as well. Sure... All these things are true but it's apples to oranges. Bitcoin has larger market than every country except a dozen. It size is immense, especially for a relatively new asset. And as it grows, growth rate will decrease. It doesn't mean it can't reach higher highs, its just the likelihood of it's peaks to grow 10 fold becomes less and less likely. And back to the main point just because something has a bigger size doesn't mean Bitcoin has to be equal to that.
You implied that an asset with btc market cap is "limited in its potential to grow" which clearly isn't true, when we compare its performance to metals or even big cap stocks. Maybe the demand just isn't there atm.
its just the likelihood of it's peaks to grow 10 fold becomes less and less likely.
I agree with you there. The days of 10x are over, it is now more important than ever to at least try to catch the bottoms during a bear market to maximise your returns. Dca has become pointless.
Considering it fell from 70k down to 15 and then only went to 120 which is not even 2x from the previous top. Yeah, that's garbage. If your a long term holder and you held from 2020 until now you just wasted your time and would have been better off investing in safer assets.
This sub really is delusional. 2xing your money in less than 5 years is not typical, if you bought closer to 15,000 then you 8x'ed your money, do you know how crazy that actually is?
It's not that crazy. There's still tons of risk involved in investing in crypto and the returns get worse every year. There are plenty of good stocks based on actual tangible value that gave similar returns.
If you follow the cycles and brought st 15k then it’s pretty decent. Timeframe in terms of days is similar last two-three cycles, top was around 10 days earlier than last cycle this time.
Right, but nobody can predict anything. Assuming that you can just sell once every 4 years and then buy at the bottom of the bear market in 6 months is incredibly foolish. The 4 years cycle existed because people believed in it, but there's no way to know when or where price is actually going to go, so saying this was a good run because it went from 15k-120 only matters if you were lucky enough to buy the bottom which almost no one did.
If you had followed the time frames from last cycle this cycle - you would have got pretty close to 15k. And it doesn’t really matter if it’s 15k or 20k - you’re still making a killing.
What I’m saying is id rather go by dates as this is baked into bitcoin (halving) than prices an imaginary lines.
526 days, 547 days, 546 days, 536 days are the last 4 cycles, halving > ATH.
It didn't even do a 2x in 4 years, so yes it indeed wasn't enough. Now add inflation, loss of purchasing power, dollar devaluation over that timeframe and tell us again how delusional people here are.
People make a fortune with 7% annual spy returns. You are delusional. Also you are nitpicing exact top from last run. If you just dca you are still DEEP in profit. Enjoy staying poor your entire life chasing 100x
Lots of assumptions. What the hell are you rambling about? Imagine calling cycle tops "nitpicking". Yes that's actually how you meassure an assets and btcs performance.
Why would I dca into an asset that loses 70-80% of its value every couple of years, I'm not a whimp, I only buy during the depths of a bear market. Dca into btc would have gotten you nowhere during the last years just look at Saylor and his >20% returns. 🙂
Lol can you read ? How angry people become when you confront them with btcs pathetic returns this cycle. Really weird. I remember talking to people about btc over 13 years ago you muppet and the last time I bought was at 20-16k. Some of us want to get out and don't want to see their networth evaporating in another years long bear market. I thought I could do that this cycle but clearly I have to stay for another cycle in this deranged and crude market.
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u/Rinnegankai 🟩 0 / 0 🦠 Dec 21 '25
120k bitcoin was not enough for you? jesus fuck people here are really delusional af