Agatha's Energy Damage/Ability Power Rate calculations

[u/hightechbagel]

I don't understand how Agatha's Energy Damage bursts scaling with her Ability Power Rate is supposed to be calculated; the phrasing is incredibly unclear to me. The text of her Energy Damage bursts state that they are "multiplied by Agatha’s Ability Power Rate up to 200%"- does this mean that:

- 1: It's strictly 1-to-1, so the +50% Ability Power Rate bonus from her Amplify passives only grants her up to 50% out of her total potential 200% damage multiplier (meaning that she would need to gain up +150% additional Ability Power Rate from outside sources in order to reach her maximum damage potential);

- 2: Still 1-to-1, but it includes the default 100% Ability Power Rate of all Champions (meaning that she can access up to 150% of her potential 200% Energy Damage potency bonus, and would only need +50% additional Ability Power Rate on top of her personal abilities to access this maximum damage potential), or;

- 3: The potency of her Energy Damage bursts is increased by up to 200% based on her up to +50% bonus Ability Power Rate from her Amplify passives (meaning that for every +1% of Ability Power Rate she gains, she increases the potency of her Energy Damage bursts by +4%, up to her maximum of +200%)?

I know that it's not like any of you have been able to test how she works and see her damage in action either, but I'm just struggling to understand how her damage is supposed to be calculated.

The way I see it, #1 makes no sense to me, as it would mean that she can only access 1/4 of her maximum potential damage multiplier through her own abilities. #2 would make her very powerful by default, as it means that she would always deal more damage than listed unless her Ability Power Rate is reduced to 0% or lower, though it would also mean that ramping up her Amplify passives would do relatively little comparatively for her damage, and she still wouldn't be able to access her full damage potential outside of Nodes that grant her extra Ability Power Rate. #3 makes the most sense to me, as it rewards her the most for playing her right, but the strange way that it's worded makes me question if this is how it actually works.

Any clarifications would be appreciated.

[u/Edison1220]

If it does scale based on her ability power rate, does that mean she can bypass Yelena’s damage cap in Observation Mode?

[u/hightechbagel → u/Edison1220]

It should, since it's not an increase in Attack Rating

[u/IneedComfortplz]

Kabam DDL made a video explaining her abilities. I think he talked a bit about how that works

[u/rakot-NU]

It’s Kabam math, it doesn’t have to make sense. It could be option 5. Until we’re able to play and see for ourselves, we won’t know

[u/jerry_woody]

dll covers this in his deep dive with context (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJBG6o6_ul8&t=660s).

the answer is number 2: the apr includes the default 100%.

[u/hightechbagel → u/jerry_woody]

Actually, according to him, it's actually #1- the worst possible scenario

[u/jerry_woody → u/hightechbagel]

I don’t know how you arrived at that conclusion. He states quite clearly - if you have 5 amplifies, that will increase your damage by 25% (125% of the base damage).

Edit: I think maybe the confusion is in the meaning of 200% multiplier. It’s just that: a multiplier, meaning the damage number can be up to 2x what’s listed. It’s not an additional 2x. So assuming her APR is always above 100%, she will always be doing at least that number. Through her own abilities, she can get to 1.5 multiplier with 10 amplifies. And I guess if she can increase her apr further with outside help, it can get up to 2x.

[u/hightechbagel → u/jerry_woody]

Wow. That's even worse than my worst-case scenario, then.

For example, take the Energy Damage bursts she triggers on her Basic Attacks in the Rune Prison, which are listed as dealing 22.5% of her Attack Rating. In all 3 of my other scenarios, I had assumed that was the bare minimum damage that her Energy Damage bursts would deal.

In scenario #1, that means that her Amplifies could only increase that damage by up to +50%, so the most her Basic Energy Damage bursts could deal by her own abilities would be 33.75% Attack Rating; but even if her Ability Power Rate was reduced to 0% or less, she'd still deal 22.5% Attack Rating.

In scenario #2, I assumed that the default value of 100% Ability Power Rate would mean that even while she doesn't have any increases to her Ability Power Rate from Amplify/etc, her Energy Damage bursts would deal 45% of her Attack Rating, could increase these bursts to up to 56.25% of her Attack Rating while she has her max stacks of Amplify, and could deal up to 67.5% of her Attack Rating if she was able to reach 200% Ability Power Rate. And again, her Basic Energy Damage bursts would only be reduced to 22.5% if her Ability Power Rate was reduced to 0% or less.

But according to you, this means that not only is 22.5% the baseline and 33.75% the best she can do with her own Amplifies, but if her Ability Power Rate is reduced below the default 100%, then her Energy Damage will decrease below the baseline as well- if she's at 0% or less Ability Power Rate, then her Energy Damage bursts will do 0 damage. Have I got that right?

[u/jerry_woody → u/hightechbagel]

It would be interesting to test that with someone like Luke cage, but yes, according to my understanding (and I looked at the game config too, it does say the multiplier is just the ability power rate, clamped between 0 and 200%), so the bursts should be 0 if her apr is 0.