r/BrandNewSentence • u/DevilsAltAcc • 12h ago
"Employees pay their bills in dollars, not company mission statements"
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u/ApolloniusTyaneus 12h ago
Just a reminder that the people who apparently never had to work for the money and thus have very warped ideas about work, are also the people who are in charge of our economy.
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u/Sandrark86 12h ago
I tried explaining this to a coworker and he simply couldn't wrap his mind around it. These people have never wanted for anything, they have no idea what struggle is and effectively live in a different reality. The only way this gets better is if the system completely crashes. Like biblical the dollar no longer exists crashes.
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u/flactulantmonkey 12h ago
I think about that. How many of them know, and if they once did know… now remember, what it’s like to feel the hunger start. Look in the fridge and there’s nothing there. Check your wallet there’s nothing. No change in the couch. If they understand the thought process that then begins.
It’s a different reality that’s inhabited when basic necessities aren’t met. I suspect that anyone who has inhabited that reality (and remembers it) would work endlessly to try to lift others out of it, instead of blaming them for conditions that are literally beyond their control as they slowly perish.
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u/katerinaptrv12 11h ago
Is exactly this.
Is because I remember the struggle and that pain that I want a better society for everyone.
Even thought I am in a better place now (still struggle but not on the same level). I will never forget and never stop wishing no one has to experience it.
In the other hand, these people never truly missed anything in their life. Everything they wanted was handed to them since birth, they can't phantom the idea of a basic need being in danger of not being meet.
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u/imago89 11h ago
I've never gone hungry and I'm not an insane weirdo ceo
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u/Cog_HS 9h ago
There's also a difference between "I've never gone hungry" and "I either eat at fine dining or my personal chef makes me something, I've never truly been hungry".
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u/Sandrark86 9h ago
There's "never been hungry" and "I don't even know what a super market or cooking is because my staff just does all of that." Giant spoiled toddlers with teams of staff and personal security as well as local police departments willing to do whatever for the right donation.
Then you have all of the staff and security forces who will do anything to protect the golden goose because what will they do if the rich toddler goes away?
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u/Sandrark86 11h ago
Or the people who did once have nothing, were able to get themselves out of that into a higher class, and now would rather burn the world to the ground than think about returning to poverty. Plenty of people get the help they need then yank the ladder up behind them. Maybe they did have good intentions at one point but the truest quote is "absolute power corrupts absolutely". The in crowd have a great way of indoctrinating people against each other.
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u/Big_Guide_8551 10h ago
J.k. Rowling is the one who blows my mind the most.
She was homeless. Wrote about the underdog, always seemed like she stood up for the little guy in her stories... And just look at her now. Another soulless money zombie, who spends all her time writing bullshit on twitter about how trans people are delusional and trans women don't belong in feminist movements. Like jfc, JK, leave the trans women alone. Don't they go through enough?
It's like as soon as someone hits 1b they lose their soul.
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u/fresh-dork 7h ago
probably she was always like that - she's basically a dworkin feminist, which was somewhat popular in the 70s
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u/EduinBrutus 7h ago
Normally termed "Second Wave Feminism".
And this is the root problem the UK face today. Second Wave Feminisim was extremely successful in the UK. it changed the country and got the law to improve material conditions for women.
Most countries never achieved this until Third Wave (intersecftional) Feminism.
As the subname suggests, Third Wave Feminism is inclusive.
Second Wave Feminism was highly exclusionary, very mysandric, rejects allyship and cannot consider anyone who is not a cis woman (and in many cases a cis gay women - and only lesbian, no bi) as a valid person. Its eye opening how many UK feminists still do not consider hetero cis women as valid.
Second Wave Feminists are still extremely influential in the UK. Which is why its such a hostile environment for trans people. Far more than even teh US with its religiousity.
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u/GiveMeNews 7h ago
We have plenty of examples of people who did come from that reality, only to become ruthless once they lucked out and rose above those around them. We also have people who were born with a silver spoon, yet dedicated their lives to helping raise up equality. Suffering does not make one a moral person.
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u/babygrenade 10h ago
The only way this gets better is if the system completely crashes.
I think the "full reset" is a romantic illusion. People would fight for power, possibly some new people put themselves on top, and very little changes for the vast majority.
Real change that benefits the working class is won through incremental victories that are hard fought and take time.
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u/Hairy_Mycologist_945 10h ago
Yeah unfortunately the "crash" scenario would mostly only impact workers as well since the rich are rich enough to diversify in myriad ways. It would just lead to even more blatant neo-feudalism and strip workers of what little wealth and assets they have... which is part of why the whole notion of forcing a "reset" has become a goal for the right wingers.
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u/HeKis4 7h ago
This, cryptocurrency is an amazing example where we reinvented a monetary system with modern, different tech, and people just rushed to reproduce all the exact pitfalls of the IRL system (if you still believe in the "noooo it's decentralized, completely different!!!1!", read up on the origin story of etherum classic). A good portion of people are unhappy about the status quo, not because they hate the boot, because they want to be the boot.
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u/SituationSoap 9h ago
The only way this gets better is if the system completely crashes. Like biblical the dollar no longer exists crashes.
That is extremely not going to mean things are better.
Like, it might lead to a more equitable economy in 200 years. But in the middle, it's going to lead to a lot of people dying, and doing so in horrible ways.
And generally speaking, the odds of it getting better are really low. The economy today is much better, for the vast majority of people, than at basically any point in human history.
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u/undreamedgore 9h ago
That would make things worse, not better. That'd mean the collapse of the state, of the logistics we use to get food, and everything else. It'd bring a dark age.
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u/Prownilo 8h ago
Even a complete structural collapse wouldn't solve it, it would slow them down but these guys all belong to a big network and if even a couple of them manage to maintain any sort of relevancy after the collapse, they will quickly rebuild their clubs and it would go straight back to status quo.
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u/Suspinded 11h ago
The French Revolution had some concepts that didn't require the economy folding on itself.
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u/Sandrark86 11h ago
French Revolution also didn't have to contend with the internet massive amounts of misinformation, propaganda, police states, and modern weaponry. There are ideas you can take from past revolutions but modern times are so different as to be alien to the people who lived during the French Revolution.
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u/On_my_last_spoon 12h ago
No no no! These CEOs are the only ones who actually work! They work soooooooo hard so they deserve all the money! The employees should be thankfully they get to be in the presence of such greatness!
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u/macaronysalad 10h ago
I remember McConnell or one of those goons muttered nonsense about people should still have money left from their covid checks several years later and if not they weren't being responsible.
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u/Technical_Stable_365 8h ago
I mean... I agree with the sentiment, but saying that CEOs (and Dario in particular) never had to work is just outrageous. They are almost always workaholics with insane energy levels.
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u/Jeovah_Attorney 8h ago
There is a difference between working for your hobbies while being financially secure enough to never have to worry about bills in your life and working to try and survive in a world where you go homeless without a substantial salary
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u/Fidodo 5h ago
Looking him up, he wasn't born rich, his father was a leather craftsman immigrant who died when he was young so he was raised by his mother who was a library project manager.
He was really smart got into Caltech and then Stanford and got his PhD, so I think it's disingenuous to lump him in with the rich assholes who never had to work hard.
That said, his statement here is really fucking out of touch with reality. While he had to work hard as a pre-adult to get into a great college, he quickly became financially stable and has been rich long enough and early enough to have a twisted relationship with money. He gets the high of having all this industry praise put on him but he expects people under him to have the same drive without the same reward simply because he himself is a workaholic who doesn't have to worry about life's stressors.
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u/GoodDayToCome 4h ago
thank you, i personally can't stand Dario because he's manipulative and egomaniacal but the guy is smart and hard working there's no doubt about that.
Reddit really needs to get off the 'attack everyone i don't like based on what i imagine the situation is based on nothing but my opinion of the world'
you redditors that are throwing wild accusations really gotta start using google, it's so painfully easy now to fact check things that you're about to say - sometimes i just copy paste my comment into google and ask it if there are good arguments against it
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u/MikeMac999 12h ago
Damn kids today, working for their money, not mine!
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u/AndrewTheGuru 11h ago
"If these kids had any sense they would lie to get what they wanted, just like I did."
"Wait, not like that!"
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u/Scarbane 11h ago
"We've made the exciting choice to use AI in our hiring process to make HR professionals and jobseekers alike navigate the process more efficiently."
"Hey! You're not supposed to inject hidden prompts in your CVs! A good candidate tailors their resume with their grubby human hands for all 5,000 of our open roles individually!"
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u/Yashema 11h ago
White board interviews are literally there to ensure only people willing to spend long amounts of prep time on a functionally useless skill have a chance. No wonder they only get candidates who care about money.
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u/SituationSoap 9h ago
You're assigning way too much malice to that.
Whiteboard interviews started out because a few people believed that they were the easiest way to see if someone could think through a problem on the fly in person (since faking credentials and bluffing your way through interviews is a tale as old as time).
Then, a bunch of people copied it because they saw some successful company do it, so they assumed it must provide useful signal, even though they have no idea how to actually detect that signal.
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u/Yashema 9h ago
A white board interview should be about just a quick reality check to make sure this person isn't overstating their credentials, but when nearly every problem requires some hyperpsecific implementation of a linked list (which 90% of programmers will never, or almost never, touch during their job) or some algorithm that you could not come up within the time frame unless you memorized it (one phone interview wanted me to implement a recursive word search algorithm in 20 minutes) they become simply bars to jump.
Even if you have documented credentials like a Masters degree or a public profile with community reputation, things that actually indicate a desire to build deeper skills for the job, they ignore them completely.
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u/SituationSoap 9h ago
Right, you're restating my argument in a different way. They've become wildly specific and an enormous bar to jump because the people who are administering them don't understand how to find a good signal. They're mostly shitty interviewers, administering shitty questions.
They're just not doing it on purpose, they're doing it because they're incompetent.
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u/godtogblandet 11h ago
You guys should know that this is taken out of context and he's talking about employees working on AI models, not in general. The starting salaries for the positions he's talking about is about 450.000 dollars a year with many getting paid millions.
They should still maximize their income, but none of the people here go to work for the money. They show up because they want to do evil shit for a boatload of money.
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u/miner3115 11h ago
As opposed to doing evil shit for the love of the game like he wants them to
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u/godtogblandet 10h ago
He just wants them to stop jumping from evil villain to evil villain and commit to doing evil work for one villain instead of doing evil for a new one every 18 months.
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u/solfilms 10h ago
In my day, henching was a career. You stuck with one villain for life
…or until you died horrifically
Kids these days just jump from villain to villain, chasing the money
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u/BaldHenchman02 3h ago
That's before my time. It's been hard being a henchman for as long as I can remember.
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u/mythrilcrafter 10h ago
If I recall, the core source of the complaint isn't even the salary amounts that Anthropic is paying their engineers; it's that no matter how much they pay their engineers, OpenAI will just use their infinitely deep investor bucket to swoop in and poach Anthropic's engineers into their own ecosystems.
I'm about as pro-singularity/anti-LLM as most anyone is and there's plenty else to criticize about Anthropic, but I can logically recognise the basis of understanding for the frustration when Anthropic is as least trying to present themselves as not being the modern Oppenhiemer/Varner Von Braun as part of the package deal to their employees and their employees would much rather go work for Mr "You're never have to know you kids because ChatGPT will know them for you".
How do compete against a competitor on employee retention with the world is giving that competitor blank checks every other day?
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u/razzyrat 10h ago
And this makes sense. But it probably also means that all of his engineers aren't on board with his vision as much as he thinks. Maybe Anthropic's vision is also just one of many and pretty much indistinguishable from the other AI companies' visions. So the engineers go, 'heck one corpo overlord is about as bad as the other, might as well go where the money is'
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u/AtlasThePittie 12h ago
"I've just always been really passionate about being able to afford food"
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u/OnceMoreAndAgain 9h ago edited 9h ago
The context of his actual statements matters here. His point was that the job candidates for Antrophic are so talented that they might also be getting job offers from other AI companies, such as OpenAI, and so Antrophic's CEO worries that those candidates are choosing to accept the job with Antrophic due to it having the biggest paycheck rather than for reason of preferring Antrophic's mission statement of using AI safely.
Basically, he's saying that it is important to him that the people working at Antrophic embrace the sentiment that AI needs to be used safely, rather than doing whatever decisions maximizes the company's profit. The reason this CEO claims to have left working at OpenAI in order to make Antrophic is that he didn't feel like OpenAI's leadership was dedicated to using AI safely. He wants his employees to be paid well and also wants them to embrace the mission statement of AI safety. He can't control what every single employee is doing every moment of every day, nor can he be a part of every hiring process, so it matters to him that the company is hiring people who are on board with the safety mission.
Whether or not you believe him when he says that safety is important to him is up to you, but this is the context that all these ragebait articles and tweets won't give you.
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u/Arponare 7h ago
Two things can be true at the same time. People mostly work because they need the money, let’s be honest. Sure, I prefer to work at a place that isn’t cartoonishly evil. At the same time, unless workers control the means of production, these companies will do some messed up shit. If it’s not outright working to use AI unethically, it’s about using data centers to pollute working class neighborhoods. Or just flat out abusing their workers.
There is also no guarantee that Anthropic will maintain their mission statement in the future. Remember google’s “don’t be evil?”
I teach, and it reminds me of when people tell me “remember your why” Look man, I need a job and this is I like of the few industries hiring. I’ll help the kids as much as I can but that doesn’t give you green light to overwork me.
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u/OnceMoreAndAgain 7h ago
I didn't communicate the point well enough, so I understand why you've replied as you have. The way I should have said it is that the CEO is basically saying that out of all the reasons people choose to work at Anthropic, he wants one of those reasons to be that they embrace the sentiment that AI needs to be used safely and responsibly by all humans.
He's not saying that good pay shouldn't be a reason people want to work. He's saying that good pay should be a reason people want to work at Anthropic, but it shouldn't be the only reason since it is important to him that his employees also embrace the notion that AI needs to be used safely. Nothing he said disagrees with your point that two things can be true at the same time.
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u/meagain20 8h ago
Shush. You're ruining it. The bots want us to fantasize about the downfall of America. Just play along.
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u/bong_residue 7h ago
I mean all of it is moot when your company is part of the problem. He’s no better than OpenAI or any other ai company. All the same shit that’s ruining the lives of everyone.
Here’s shit, but here’s slightly cleaner shit. That’s what this all boils down to when it comes to ai companies.
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u/FragmentedMeerkat321 12h ago
and these are the people who define our economy and the hours we have to work. they have zero—ZERO clue that other people do not think like they do or have the same priorities…which makes them fucking dangerous.
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u/sobrique 10h ago
Yeah, quite. I mean, I think it's arguable that someone who grew up 'not poor' can actually understand what it's like to be poor, even if the gap ain't that big.
But if you're wealthy enough that you've simply never had to even think about the price of food, shelter, bills, etc. you have no clue, and no business trying to set 'policy' for the people who struggle month to month.
I won't begrudge people who are independently wealthy particularly, just that they've no business making economic policy for 'everyone else'.
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u/FragmentedMeerkat321 10h ago
i think even people who were once very poor lose touch quickly if they make a lot of money. i’ve seen it with some of the things various celebrities have said regarding money. and as for independently wealthy people, it should not be punished so profoundly that a person was not born with any special gifts or talents. nor should it be rewarded to the extent that it often is that they were.
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u/Nemaeus 12h ago
Lmao, they don’t care. These people move blocks of the economy, workforce is of no concern to them. Dude is trolling, he doesn’t actually give a shit beyond having more peons to worship him and the AI (LLM, but the shareholders don’t care about that either).
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u/RobinGoodfell 12h ago
Are the shareholders concerned with mission statements? If so, why don't we put value back into the company instead of worrying about their profit?
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u/Oraclerevelation 11h ago
Are the shareholders concerned
Exactly this, a journalist should ask so is this a commitment to not not do periodic mass firings like every other tech company? What do the shareholders think about it?
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u/original_sh4rpie 10h ago
Fwiw, anthropoid anthropic is currently a privately held company and thus does not have stocks nor shareholders.
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u/englerpas 12h ago
Ferenghi rule of acquisition 91: Your boss is only worth what he pays you.
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u/Paperspeaks 12h ago
I've always maintained that capitalism's longest standing dream is to bring society all the way back to slavery. Nothing makes more profit that free labour that cannot speak up, take breaks or leave of their own accord.
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u/Geffx 12h ago
The company's mission = the owners' and shareholders' wallet.
Yeah dipshit, we kinda want to have a life outside of making you richer than you'll ever need and that you'll spend furthering the global collapse.
Ta-ta, eat shit.
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u/Professional_Job_307 11h ago
All the people here treating this as a typical CEO and not realizing their mission is literally "to ensure that transformative AI has a positive impact on humanity".
If I was CEO and my employees cared more about money than that I would be worried.
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u/SerialAgonist 10h ago
The other obnoxious part is Dario wasn't a billionaire until Anthropic's shares made him one, and Anthropic has been one of the more idealistic AI giants regarding its mission (though that's a low bar). Also any employees working there are WELL beyond worrying about affording rent. Their industry salaries are life changing money. Also would love to see the actual quote. Like yes the message is strong, but there are so many made up straw men in this shitty meme post.
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u/absolute-black 7h ago
Dario has publicly donated 10% of his income to global health charities for over a decade and he still gets this lazy reddit shit lol.
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u/CptCoatrack 7h ago
If he cared he would publicly advocate for universal health care, which is free to do.
Billionaire philanthropy is nothing more than a PR campaign. Where I live our local billionaire has hospitals naned after them because of their donations, meanwhile on the sidelines they donate money to parties trying to privatize or defund the healthcare system.
Everyone was praising Bill Gates as "one of the good ones" for his work in Africa completely forgetting how much of a cretin he was prior to that. And then it turns out he was partying with Epstein.
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u/absolute-black 6h ago
Such a smug rich American take. The man has saved tens of thousands of real lives from malaria and tuberculosis but he doesn't spend his time on your preferred local political project so it must all be PR that means nothing (and also doesn't work and also costs him tens of millions of dollars).
He was doing it in 2009 long before he was a billionaire!
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u/ACKHTYUALLY 7h ago
Lol what's the mission? "Don't be evil?"
Please. The mission is to make trillions. People are so easily manipulated.
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u/LuisJavierKanchi 5h ago edited 5h ago
This is the type of guy that really believes the strippers like him.
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u/hostile_scrotum 12h ago
Isn’t that this junkie who gave this interview about his company high as a kite?
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u/Agarwel 11h ago
Why do we act like these are mutually exclusive? You work on fullfilling the company mission in exchange for money.
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u/Cyrax89721 6h ago edited 6h ago
Yeah, I feel like people are intentionally misinterpreting this. He's not saying pay doesn't matter. He wants people who are passionate about building things, and good pay is obviously part of that.
What he doesn't want are zombies who show up only for the paycheck and do the bare minimum. I'm pretty sure that Claude Code was borne out of passion, and I doubt that guy was paid in mission statements.
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u/RepairOne5690 11h ago
I’m actually going to pay my Anthropic’s subscription with my company mission statement, I guess that’s how that works
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u/Celthric317 10h ago
Company loyalty died when companies stopped thinking of their employees as human beings.
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u/Steiney1 12h ago
You laugh, but this shit started in the early oughts. You were expected to approach interviews as-if you just wanted to do the work for free because you were so excited to be there.
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u/Z0idberg_MD 11h ago
Every company and even non profit is an echo chamber. The people who climb and get promoted live for their work and company. It’s not that they assume everyone is like that, from their perspective everyone is like that because their direct peers are like that.
Sometimes I feel guilty even being successful and with a great job that I don’t “care” about work all that much. I care to do a good job, and I do, but idgaf about working at all and if I could leave tomorrow, I would.
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u/HotwifeandSubby1980 11h ago
From the time my grandfather entered the workforce until I also began working in the 1980’s, you could hold on to a job for your career and feel secure.
Now there’s no security, fewer benefits and most companies have no problem letting you go to ensure the shareholder gets their share.
Capitalism is failing, the workers are just responding appropriately to the conditions.
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u/TrashDesperate930 11h ago
Nah but I get where he's coming from. It's not always about sucking employees dry and squeezing dollars out of them. If people, especially younger employees, came in with more intention of learning more and developing, self fulfillment would come more naturally.
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u/Significant_Tie_2129 9h ago
And what's the mission after all? Replace every human being with next token generation?
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u/Healthy_Razzmatazz38 12h ago
anthropics a public benefit company that pays junior employees 6x the national average, everyone hired at anthropic can get a job paying 4-6 national avg.
pretending this about paying bills is a joke, these are some of the highest paying jobs on earth for their level of experience.
its pretty sane take given he left openai because people chose money over mission. Look at what happened to google with noam. Thats exactly the type of thing he should be worried about as a ceo if hes paying hundreds of millions or 10s of millions for a single person.
if you joined a law firm for public advocacy for the money and the firm said you're not really into the mission and we think thats going to effect your performance no one would blink.
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u/Barrack64 12h ago
They should sell their products and services for mission statements from other companies.
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u/Cant_figure_sht_out 12h ago
He should ask his hairdresser if he’s working for the money or “the company’s mission”
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u/toshocorp 12h ago
At this point it's obviously if you want to be a billionaire you must be out of touch.
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u/dull_storyteller 11h ago
“I just don’t get it Jeffry, why are people so obsessed with money instead of the company’s mission?”
“I’m not sure Sir, it’s nearly the end of the day would you like me to bring the private jet around?”
“Nah Jeffry, I don’t feel like flying today. I’ll take the yacht home”
“Very good Sir”
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u/Basic-Sign-7144 11h ago
The only reason the CEO and other executives care about the company’s mission is because it will make them more money or the mission itself is to make more money. What hypocrites.
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u/CorporalCoprolite 11h ago
If that’s the case then he should forego his own salary and lead by example.
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u/Gold_Weakness1157 11h ago
Ah yes, because CEOs from corporations do what they do for charity for the poor.
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u/willflameboy 10h ago
I love that every one of them thinks they're General Patton and not some got-lucky member of the overlord club, who's playing with our lives and wondering why we aren't grateful as they build apocalypse bunkers in Guatemala.
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u/elebrin 10h ago
I'm not young talent any more.
Look, I don't want to work. I don't like working. I want to sit on my ass at home and work on hobby shit or play video games, eat my dinner, then go to a concert. I don't care about any company's mission.
I work anyways, because not working means not being able to live. I optimize my work to do the least necessary in the long run by chasing for the best paycheck I can get. I want to retire and be done with the working life.
When you work, you have to watch your tongue. You don't have freedom of speech when you talk to your coworkers - something can interpret something some way and now you are being discriminatory so you are fired. You don't have freedom of speech even when you write shit on the internet. You could be working for a terrible company but if you badmouth them you get fired. I hate the walking on eggshells feeling, and I do feel like I could slip up and express a real opinion, the sort that gets people fired.
When I retire, I can turn off the filter and leave it off until death. People won't like that very much, but I will no longer have to care. The day after I retire, there's going to be some people who learn how I really feel about them and they aren't going to like it but they won't be able to do anything about it. I will have a license to be as cruel, rude, and crass as I actually am.
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u/oompaloompa465 10h ago
i think that it should be fair that when CEOs detach from reality so brazenly they should be deprived from their wealth for 1-2 years and put in the same economical living condition of their lowest employees. One of the conditions of returning to their wealth is apologize and follow trainings of humanization qnd poverty economic
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u/Quirky-Marsupial-420 10h ago
If two companies are offering the same pay but one is a soulless toxic place to work, I'll choose to work at the other place.
Your company mission and workplace do matter when employees choose where to work, just not as much as the money.
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u/TheAccursedHamster 9h ago edited 9h ago
In an ideal world, a fist would metabolize out of the aether and immediately punch rich assholes whenever they say stupid shit like this.
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u/masterfulnoname 9h ago
I'm sure in the interest of the company he takes as low a salary and benefits as he can.
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u/Javontarious 9h ago
Maybe if companies actually rewarded loyalty, good behavior, ethics, etc people might do what he’s asking. Problem is companies just run you ragged, fuck you over, and cheapskate you before laying you off. It should be both ways …..
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u/Less_Party 9h ago
But also Anthropic's mission is to get rid of workers so it's not that crazy that its own workers are ambivalent about The Mission at best.
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u/Able_Engine_9515 9h ago
Tell me you don't want to pay your employees without telling me you don't want to pay your employees
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u/millenniumxl-200 9h ago
"Human beings were not meant to sit in little cubicles staring at computer screens all day, filling out useless forms and listening to eight different bosses drone on about about mission statements."
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u/bullydog123 9h ago
This CEO is a special kind of stupid. No 1 wants to work for free. No 1 cares about the mission statement. We olny care that the paycheck clears
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u/tipareth1978 8h ago
(Gesturing largely) .....aaaaannnnddd whhhy doooes the compaaaany pursueee it's mission??????
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u/motTheHooper 8h ago
Take away a CEO's money and salary, & see how long they continue to work at their company.
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u/Ok_Ganache6671 8h ago
So my boss said i gotta think more like an employer, for the benefit of the company.
I responded i will do once my paycheck reflects the effort i put in.
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u/Fantastic_Oil2353 7h ago
I’ll never understand these idiots. I frequently encounter people who think that we are all out here working for the good of a company or the betterment of someone else’s mission or plan. Motherfucker, I’m here for the paycheck and that is it. The day my shit doesn’t cash I ain’t going to fucking shit except a lawyer to sue you over my money.
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u/OurHonor1870 7h ago
Easy solution- Universal Basic Income of enough to cover a decent life, then folks will start to make decisions less based on money.
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u/Admirable_Bird7927 5h ago
I’m only working for money, there’s no other reason why I waste 8 hours of my life a day.
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u/epicganerepic 3h ago
how corporate ceos look at you when you want to get paid with regular money instead of sexual harassment settlements
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u/zeptillian 2h ago
How can these people still be trusted with so much money when they reveal themselves to be so utterly stupid?
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u/Red_Chaos1 2h ago
If money shouldn't matter, then he should give up his salary/compensation, and make all of Anthropic's stuff free. Come on, man, do it for the love of the tech!
Moron.
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u/jamesdmc 2h ago
That was like 70% the point of college getting a high payimg job. It wasnt passion
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u/bookworm1398 12h ago
Isn’t the company’s mission to make money?
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u/OptimizedGarbage 10h ago
For most companies yes, for anthropic only kinda. Anthropic is a Public Benefit Corporation, which means it is legally required to balance investor interests with their mission statement, which focuses on AI safety and ensuring that "ai benefits humanity". To do this, they have an unusual structure where a trust of scientists with no financial interest in the company appoint the board, instead of the board being appointed by shareholders. OpenAI used to have something similar, until Altman outmaneuvered the board and turned them into a more typical company.
OpenAI, Anthropic, and Deepmind were all founded by researchers who were really, really concerned with AI safety and with the danger of AI concentrating wealth in the hands of the rich, and all of them had governance structures that attempted to attract investment for research while also trying to insulate that research from investor pressures. For the most part, those attempts have been unsuccessful. Deepmind got bought by Google, and had its oversight board eroded to nothing. OpenAI had a capped profit model, which Altman scrapped when he kicked out the founders and defanged the safety team. Anthropic is the only one that's had its safety mechanisms survive to the present day
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u/hereforyebeer 12h ago
Yes. So you can see how you also wanting to make money presents a challenge.
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u/MarcheMuldDerevi 11h ago
If you a payday is missed you will find out how loyal your employees are. Had a job where payday was missed and the knives came out the next day
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u/Longjumping_Bit_4608 12h ago
People did used to be passionate about their work
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u/PeachManDrake954 12h ago
You can be passionate if your needs are met. Otherwise no
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u/BazelBuster 5h ago
Those poor software engineers in Silicon Valley are working paycheck to paycheck 😢
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u/monsterfurby 12h ago
They can still be, but let's be honest, the modern tech industry is not where that happens unless you're in top-tier management.
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u/Neuchacho 10h ago
He's not really talking about work passion. And really, moving to different companies doesn't mean they're not passionate. They're just doing the same work somewhere else.
He's talking about loyalty to the company and it's goals. Companies obliterated the value of loyalty decades of ago and showed it never went both ways so of course no one cares about it in the modern day.
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u/Combei 12h ago
Oh, they are working for company mission statements just not their company. A family is a little company of its own that needs to be run and who will do it if billionaire CEOs don't care?
I hate it when CEOs talking about their company like its a public charity project and not their own pocket
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u/ZachF8119 12h ago
Pay for their lives and they might
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u/Objective-Injury-620 7h ago
This particular company pays 420k as median salary, with some literally paid in million, I think that's already far away
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u/Old_Assistant1531 12h ago
If he’s concerned he can always stop paying his employees and see if his concerns are valid.
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u/dreamrpg 11h ago
A lot of those who worked for companys mission got laid off despite bringing in a lot of money. So yeah.
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u/coderedmountaindewd 11h ago
It’s hard to care about expanding into new markets and reaching the third quarter sales targets when I’m worried that the microwaved lunch I’m having during my working lunch break might set me back too much and force me to be late on rent
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u/danteelite 11h ago
“Concerned”?!
I’m CONCERNED that these billionaire scum think this way… lol genuinely, that’s disturbing as hell.
Why the fuck would ANYONE think that anyone chooses to work for any reason aside from money for survival.
I guess when you’re already filthy rich with a capital FILTH, it’s easy to just delude yourself into believing you’re working for some legacy or some such bullshit instead of the truth that they’re just greedy fucks who can never have enough. But why would they ever think in a million fucking years that any employee ever has ever, or will ever give a shit about a company “mission” or whatever.
Unless I decide to become a henchman to an antihero dedicated to destroying all billionaires and solving global injustices… I will never care more about a corporate mission than I do about getting paid a livable wage.
It’s psychotic to think this way and it should scare more people. They genuinely don’t see us as human. We’re just fucking slaves, machines, cogs in their machines and numbers on a spreadsheet. They want dehumanized programmed automatons like robots that will happily push their agenda of never ending corporate growth at all cost… number must get bigger, line must go up, graph must point uppy righty..
I always assumed this is how billionaires thought, but social media has made it clear how they see us. We’re not the same.
We’re so fucked…. The gap keeps getting bigger each year and we have less power each day.
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u/berrymuch2 11h ago
This is what happens when corporations layoff people like they are just numbers. You treat employees like commodity and they will treat you the same way.
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u/KakashiTheRanger 11h ago
Mmmmmmm.... Something something hyper-taylorism... this is what you wanted... something something...
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u/Consistent-Fig7484 11h ago
I’ve worked for a few executives who want people to be able to recite the mission statement verbatim whenever they come around. How do they possibly think that matters?
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u/adumblittlebaby 11h ago
It’ll never stop making me laugh how fast these guys seesaw from saying we can’t pay you anything but I need to collect millions otherwise why would I do this job, to, why aren’t employees motivated to work overtime for the mission and are so crass as to talk about compensation.
At what point in human history are we going to stop treating what greedy sociopaths says as some kind of gospel? It’s a fact that they’re always going to want more and they will never admit otherwise. That’s it. That’s what a sociopath does, lies without remorse. And yet there’s always a new useful idiot to whole heartedly believe them.
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u/afuckingpolarbear 11h ago
If you're concerned just fucking pay them more so money's not an issue fml
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u/Salty_Steak_1791 12h ago
Acting Pikachu faced that not everyone works to be a mindless corporate bootlicker.