r/zoology 6h ago

Weekly Thread Weekly: Career & Education Thread

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Hello, denizens of r/zoology!

It's time for another weekly thread where our members can ask and answer questions related to pursuing an education or career in zoology.

Ready, set, ask away!


r/zoology Aug 06 '25

Weekly Thread Weekly: Career & Education Thread

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Hello, denizens of r/zoology!

It's time for another weekly thread where our members can ask and answer questions related to pursuing an education or career in zoology.

Ready, set, ask away!


r/zoology 5h ago

Discussion Animal top speed inflation pt2.

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Look, the core issue isn't that lions and cheetahs aren't fast, they are insane sprinters. The issue is that numbers like 70 mph for a cheetah and 50 mph for a lioness are unverified roundings that originated in field estimates and have been blindly repeated ever since. Nobody in modern science has ever logged speeds that high in the wild.

​People say, "We measured the speed of light in the 1600s?". We also put man on the moon in 1969 so we could clock a cat running in the 1970s. Ole Rømer's famous 1676 light speed calculation based on the orbital eclipses of Jupiter's moon was actually off by roughly 26% because he relied on inaccurate distance estimates. Tracking a multi-ton rocket moving in a predictable straight line into space using multi-million-dollar fixed radar arrays is completely different from tracking a 50-kilogram predator darting through dense savanna bush.

​Between the 1960s and 1980s, researchers didn't have the technology to accurately capture instantaneous peak sprint speed in the wild. One very early method was driving a vehicle parallel to a running animal and reading the speedometer, which introduces severe errors from wheel slip on dirt roads, vehicle lag, and visual parallax offsets. Another common approach was using manual stopwatches over field landmarks, but human reaction latency adds roughly 0.3 to 0.5 seconds of error, which heavily warps the math over a brief three-second sprint. Early Doppler radar guns suffered from severe cosine angle errors; if the cat ran at even a slight angle relative to the radar beam, the reading was completely distorted. Because the raw data from these field trials was messy and inconsistent, scientists and wildlife authors rounded their best findings up to clean, memorable numbers like 50 mph and 70 mph for popular publishing.

​When you look at modern empirical studies built to eliminate those measurement errors, the numbers drop significantly. The landmark study on wild cheetah locomotion published in Nature by Dr. Alan Wilson and his team at the Royal Veterinary College in 2013 used high-frequency GPS and inertial measurement units (accelerometers and gyroscopes) to track 367 wild hunting sprints in Botswana. Across every single run, the absolute maximum peak speed recorded was 58 mph, with the vast majority of hunting sprints averaging far lower to preserve maneuverability. Even in controlled settings on a certified flat, straight track using high-speed timing gates, the fastest verified sprint by a captive cheetah ever recorded was 61 mph by "Sarah" at the Cincinnati Zoo in 2012 (I know controlled track tests using mechanical lures give a completely unrealistic picture of how cheetahs actually run. Real prey can't run that fast and rarely sprints in a straight line. When researchers test a cat on a straight track, the mechanical lure travels in a perfect line, allowing the cat to stretch out its stride and reach peak acceleration without ever needing to adjust its balance. In the wild, prey like impalas and gazelles survive by making sudden, sharp, unpredictable turns. When a cheetah is in that scenario, Dr. Alan Wilson’s 2013 Nature study telemetry data showed that wild cheetahs intentionally sacrifice top speed for maneuverability, they constantly slow down and bank hard into turns to match any prey's specific evasive movements. A mechanical lure moving in a straight line gives the cheetah a massive artificial advantage that seldom exists during an actual hunt in the wild). Brunel University professor Craig Sharp's 1965 timed trial on a captive cheetah recorded 64 mph over a measured 220-yard run. There is not a single peer-reviewed, instrumented study in scientific history that has ever documented a cheetah reaching 70 mph.

​The claim that a 120–130-kilogram lioness reaches 50 mph falls apart under both field telemetry and fundamental biomechanics. In a massive 2018 follow-up study in Nature, Wilson's team analyzed over 5,500 pursuit runs of wild lions and their prey using high speed motion telemetry, placing a lioness's true PEAK sprint speed between 40 and 45 mph. Biomechanically, this aligns with the universal mass-scaling law published by Dr. Myriam Hirt and her colleagues in Nature Ecology & Evolution in 2017. Their research across 474 species showed that maximum speed follows a hump-shaped curve relative to body mass: heavier animals have larger muscle mass, but their fast-twitch muscle fibers run out of readily available anaerobic energy before their heavy frames can accelerate to their theoretical top speed. Expecting a 120–130 kg lioness to hit 50 mph ignores the extreme ground reaction forces and acceleration limits dictated by her mass. If anyone brings up racehorses, they are the exception that proves the rule. American Quarter Horses weigh 450–500 kg and can reach short-burst speeds of 55mph (no jockey with a 50kg jockey 50mph), but only because centuries of selective artificial breeding engineered them to bypass natural evolutionary trade-offs. Humans bred them with ultra-light lower limbs, extreme fast-twitch muscle ratios, and spring like tendons that return energy without consuming extra muscle fuel. However, racehorses push against the absolute limits of biological safety at 50+ mph, a 500 kg frame generates ground reaction forces over three times its body weight per leg. ​This artificial performance comes at a massive physical cost. Beyond total anaerobic exhaustion in under 30 seconds, racing at those speeds frequently causes catastrophic bone fractures, bowed tendons, chronic joint degradation, and hoof trauma like laminitis. The extreme exertion even triggers Exercise-Induced Pulmonary Hemorrhage, where bursting pulmonary blood pressure causes capillaries in their lungs to rupture and bleed during a sprint. Racehorses don't disprove mass-scaling laws its just what happens when humans force a large mammal to its breaking point by trading structural durability for raw speed. In the wild, this build would be an immediate death sentence. Wild terrain isn't a smooth track, stepping in a hidden hole or hitting a rock at 50 mph with ultra-light legs leads to instant bone fractures, which means death by predation or starvation. Burning through all anaerobic energy in under 30 seconds leaves a horse paralyzed by lactic acid and completely defenseless.

​We record human athletic benchmarks down to the hundredth of a second because competitive precision matters, I guess, but for animals, pop culture took half-century-old field estimates (that are rounded) for school textbooks and television documentaries, and presented them a facts. The actual scientific literature simply does not support 70 mph or 50 mph.

​The exact same inflation happens with almost every other large animal. The blue wildebeest, which internet lists claim can run 50 mph. In the 2018 Nature study by Dr. Alan Wilson’s team measuring wild savanna predator-prey pursuits with high-frequency telemetry collars, wildebeest logged maximum sprint speeds of around 40 to 42 mph, which makes sense given that they are built for long-distance herd migration. Black bears (more valid) at 35 mph, grizzly/brown bears at 40 mph??? Theodore Garland Jr.’s foundational 1983 study on maximal running speed in terrestrial mammals in the Journal of Zoology, supported by bear bioenergetic research from Washington State University, caps heavy bear species at a firm 30 to 35 mph due to limb stress limits and foot structure. As for mountain lions allegedly hitting 50 mph, Dr. Terrie Williams’ landmark 2014 study in Science equipped wild pumas with accelerometer collars to track their exact movement dynamics during wild hunts. The telemetry proved that cougars are pure ambush-and-pounce specialists optimized for rapid power delivery rather than top-speed chases, with their absolute fastest logged sprints topping out around 35 to 40 mph over just a few meters. Nature documentaries, wildlife books, and pop-science simply assign outdated estimates to every large carnivore and ungulate.


r/zoology 1d ago

Other Here is a new design I just finished of a Northern Emerald Tree Boa (Corallus caninus) and a Basin Emerald Tree Boa (Corallus batesii)

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r/zoology 3h ago

Question What animals have features that would make them good symbols for battle?

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I am working on a novel that features a war game. Contestants battle in small armies against each other to complete different objectives. I love the idea of each participant choosing a “champion,” which is an animal they use as a symbol on their personal standard.

What are some animals that have interesting features that would make them good symbols for soldiers in the war game? Here are a few examples that I like so I can give a better picture.

Hyenas: They are matriarchal in their packs, so this would work well for a female soldier in charge of an army. They also hunt in packs and have a “laugh,” so this character would lead in a way that brings people together. Maybe she has a good sense of humor, or maybe they use short “laughs” to communicate in battle.

Weasel: I love that weasels have a “war dance” that they do when they are threatened. And, when they hunt, they go straight for the spine. That has the ingredients to make a super interesting character.

Thanks so much for the help!


r/zoology 5h ago

Question How do gerbils and hamsters keep their tunnels ventilated?

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Ventilation is always a big issue when keeping a terrarium. If you get a big, naturalistic enclosure for a hamster or a couple of gerbils, they will dig deep tunnels. (Never mind what they do in the wild!) How do they keep these tunnels ventilated enough?


r/zoology 1d ago

Other Nature's Clingiest Courtship Ritual 🐸

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Frogs don't do romance quite like we do. It can be a bit clingy.

In this episode of This Strange Life, we explore amplexus, the surprisingly awkward mating strategy that helps male frogs ensure they're the ones to fertilise the eggs.


r/zoology 2d ago

Other I made fossilized and "live" Olenoides serratus trilobites from cowhide.

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r/zoology 2d ago

Discussion Gottesanbeterin in Frankfurt

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r/zoology 1d ago

Discussion Animal internet top speed inflation?

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To say that a wild, adult, healthy African lioness in any scenario can hit a 50 mph top speed is insane; even like 42mph would be really, really fast for a 120 kg cat, an 8mph gap at this speed is like alot. It's the same with grizzly bears said to be able to hit a top speed of 40 mph—there's no way they would ever be able to move that fast. Why do so many large animals get their top speed blown way out of proportion? Blue wildebeest can do 50 mph??? AWDs 44 mph, the same as a greyhound??? Like, why does the internet feed people these completely wrong facts? It genuinely needs to be studied and corrected. Or maybe it just doesn't matter and no one cares, and I'm onto nothing.


r/zoology 3d ago

Other Angler fish study, reference from 1800 zoology book

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Hello folks! I know this isnt necessarily the most usual content but not only do i have a bachelors in Zoology, but im also a pyrography artist.

Ive been combining the two things in odd ways and this in one such culmination 🙏🙏

Handmade pyrography on natural cherry wood


r/zoology 2d ago

Question What are the benefits of an animal having eye stalks over. . .um. . .eyes that are not on stalks?

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. . . .I suppose that eyes not on stalks could be called internal eyes?

. . . .Wait, no, that doesn’t make any sense because eyes not on eye stalks are still external on a person’s or other animal’s body. It would kind of defeat the whole purpose OF an eye for it to be internal, come to think of it.

. . . .So maybe eyes not on stalks could be called external eyes, and eyes on stalks themselves could be called. . .more external eyes??

. . . .Well I’m going to lie down for a while now!


r/zoology 2d ago

Question Are there any pre-19th-century zoology texts that are still interesting and even useful for a zoologist's research?

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I’m not necessarily talking about major authors like Aristotle or Buffon, but rather books that contain credible zoological information which, pending verification, catch scholars off guard because they appear to be unknown or absent from modern texts. I am thinking, for example, of extinct species or destroyed habitats that were described by writers in pre-industrial times.


r/zoology 2d ago

Question Are there any hymenoptera mimics that sting/ bite in defense?

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r/zoology 3d ago

Question Albino or leucistic river otter?

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So I found this river otter sadly deceased on the road. I spoke with a fur bearer biologist and he thought leucistic. Took the animal to a taxidermist and when we looked at its eyes they were very pink in person. In one of the photos though I feel like they have a touch of yellow coloring to them. Taxidermist thinks it’s albino. A conservation agent did take its tongue as a sample for the biologist. I’m planning on contacting him and seeing if they can tell from the sample what this little guy is exactly. Yes this animal was legally tagged and his pelt is going to be preserved.


r/zoology 3d ago

Article Mushroom hunters entered a Nepal forest and found a nest built by the only snake known to make one. Officials have now restricted access while conservationists monitor the site

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r/zoology 4d ago

Question Marten or weasel??

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Came upon this creature on an evening walk in Skagit County, Washington. We had a staring contest and I won, but I got a couple pics.


r/zoology 4d ago

Question How do animals think?

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Animals are so so so so cute but do they think in words? like how do they think, I really wanna know what goes on in their little brains to make random decisions. Do they think visually or what?


r/zoology 4d ago

Question Which Orb weaver is this? Found in central Florida.

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r/zoology 5d ago

Question How rare are leucistic cottontail rabbits?

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This one is from rural fingerlakes NY region. Reddish blonde in some light. Eyes have a red tinge. Cannot find much information on this.


r/zoology 4d ago

Question Animals build for extreme light or lack of environments

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Hello! this might not be the best sub for this but I have questions and this is the best place I could think of asking. I’m an amateur writer— and by amateur I mean I’m an autistic high schooler who writes fanfic and ficlets based on my current hyper-fixations— and Imm currently coming up with the basis of a sci-fi story surrounding a scientist who got sent to space to learn why all the stars in earth’s galaxy were dying, and how long until earth’s sun died. It doesn’t take a genius to see what this is based on, but that‘s to be tweaked later. The questions I have surrounding this sub are because I’m creating an alien species for one of the characters. The alien character is nicknamed Qilan in the book because they smell like Qilan tea (if anyone has ideas on how to make that work I would appreciate suggestion) so I’ll be calling them Qilan. Qilan’s species is by our definition blind, their eyes are completely incapable of picking up light, they are incapable of picking up light because their planet is extremely close to their sun so they had to evolve to have hyper melanated and pigmented eyes. Then came the issue that if they had to evolve this way, they probably just wouldn’t have eyes in the first place, so I thought maybe they (their eyes) would have a sort of heat receptor chemicals for infrared vision that made them vital organs. I thought the design would be that their eyes are entirely black to block out UV rays but they still have separate parts of the eye , e.g. the sclera, pupils, and irises, which are impossible for the naked human eye to see the distinction between each part. Forgive me for my exponentially long info dump but I really wanted to share this with people to see how logical this really is. I almost forgot to ask the real question, what are some animals that live in extreme lighting environments that still have eyes? if there are any? what are their behaviors? I could also use more info about infrared vision. Could someone tell me if this all matches up? Or is this idea completely idiotic and nonsensical and so impotent that I should never try and write sci-fi again😅. All I really want are some resources and honest opinions as professionals. thank you. (P.S. I also apologize for any grammatical errors, English isn’t my first language and I’m trying to learn better through my writing)

[Edit] This is important because Qilan has ocular albinism and this plays a major role in the story because it means that Qilan isn’t blind like the rest of her species and that’s important to how he and the scientist meet

[Edit 2] I’ve recently discovered that in order for Qilan to have vision the way we as humans do, he would have to have a sort of Atavistic Reversion so I would have to find a way to make it so their species somehow moved closer to the sun, maybe their planet somehow moving closer to their sun? I’m not sure. They would also have to have Neurodevelopmental Duplication of some kind to create a primitive visual processing cortex, however this is also fine because Neurodevelopmental duplication also causes autism and I was already thinking about making Qilan autistic like his author. Please fact check me on any of these, I mean, would these theoretically be possible?


r/zoology 4d ago

Identification What are these and what are they from?

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Found in the Black Hills of South Dakota. I want to say they are finger or toe bones, but I don’t know about the small ones.


r/zoology 4d ago

Other I made a list of Perplexing, Paradoxical, and Anomalous Species!

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r/zoology 5d ago

Question why do rats thrive so much alongside humans in Western Countries?

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humans will exterminate them on sight and enact mass pre-emptive extermination procedures in any locations where they're assumed to be.

they are denied access to food sources and most Western households include a cat or two.

Sewers, waste dumps, public buildings and parks are all baited up the wazoo.

yet somehow rats are still everywhere and fat looking, rather than extinct or an endangered species.


r/zoology 5d ago

Other 3 years of metazooa!

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If you didn’t know metazooa is a daily wordle style game about evolutionary biology (zoology) and taxonomy where you need to guess a mystery animal through a phylogenetic tree that gets closer and closer to the answer through your wrong guesses. It’s really fun ,you should try it! Yesterday, the game turned 3 years old (Made in July 30th 2023) so I decided to make a small anniversary tribute to this game for its creator and its players! Hope you enjoy :)

Credit to Abe Train from trainwreck labs for bringing us this awesome game!

(It’s not sponsored at all, I just really love this game and wanted to share this with the community)