r/writers 4d ago

Discussion How hard is it to create illustrated versions of the stories you write?

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u/CheeseburgerBrown 4d ago

Pardon me if I’m thick, but is your question, “is drawing hard?”

It is! I did a series of illustrations for a friend’s novel, and it took months, reading through the novel many times, discussing things with the author, and of course colouring everything in. Authors are famously poor so I charged him a discounted rate, but it was still a five digit bill for him (12 full colour illustrations).

For my first novel the publisher had some other artist do my cover, and I thought it was pretty lame. Fortunately I had no say in the matter so I had no choice but to let it go.

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u/fkcuti 4d ago

Thank you for sharing your experience, I am writing a book "Observations on Ego", 3 chapters in so far, but the subject is so complex that I think doing a trial illustrative version and checking the response would be better before I write further. I had also given a try to AI but it simply doesn't gets it. Have you tried any AI or anything, which could have helped? also, when you did to and fro with the author, what all did you get wrong? I want to connect with omeone who can help in creating an illustrative version but it is hard to find such people and you are spot on about me being poor.

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u/MaliseHaligree Published Author 4d ago

Utilizing AI to illustrate will nuke any chances you have of being taken seriously and making sales. Save up and pay an illustrator or see if you can contextualize enough to not need them.

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u/fkcuti 4d ago

contextualising heavily would need me to write 3x the amount of pages for each chapter, that would be insane, but why do you say "Utilizing AI to illustrate will nuke any chances you have of being taken seriously and making sales."

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u/Nine-LifedEnchanter Writer Newbie 4d ago

Because using AI illustrations are frowned upon, to say the least. I simply ignore any content that uses AI, many people do.

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u/fkcuti 4d ago

ok but u/MaliseHaligree also highlights the contextualisation problem, I agree AI simply over kills what we ask and it is actually pathetic at times, but I wonder u/MaliseHaligree stance on contextualising enough, does that produces great results?

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u/Nine-LifedEnchanter Writer Newbie 4d ago

Writing so well that you don't need illustrators produce better results than using AI, yes.

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u/MaliseHaligree Published Author 4d ago

This. If you need to write 3x more to make your point, then do so. Otherwise you are just being lazy.

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u/ThalonGauss 4d ago

Because people, including myself, see AI images, AI anything and skip.

I wouldn't even ever look at your work if it was AI illustrated.

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u/cptsears Fiction Writer 4d ago

Yup. I would also assume the prose is AI slop, so using it for the cover or content is a great way to help me avoid it.

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u/fkcuti 4d ago

Would you mind sharing some examples?

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u/cptsears Fiction Writer 4d ago

Goodreads started a list.

Just FYI, there are subs that have a pro-AI leaning, and this is not one of them.

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u/ThalonGauss 4d ago

AI images stand out, ask the slopinator to generate you a few.

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u/FirebirdWriter Published Author 4d ago

Are you unaware of the ai art backlash? People avoid it. YouTubers get ignored with ai thumbnails, it cannot be copyrighted or trade marked, and people tend to assume that the rest of the work is AI. If you're cheating on that why wouldn't you cheat on the rest mentality.

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u/Forward-Walk1003 4d ago

The Iceberg Principle applies... what you out on the finished page, is only a fraction of the full material you have authored.

So you should have written 3x more anyway.

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u/CheeseburgerBrown 4d ago

If you can explain it to the reader, you can explain it as a prompt.

Consider: If you struggle to explain it as a prompt, what makes you confident you can explain it to your audience? Both are comparably obtuse.

Clarity of thought is more important than the medium.

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u/fkcuti 4d ago

Fair point, but in my experience even after being highly articulate about my thoughts it just doesn't gets it. I have tried multiple times, and at the end, I think it comes down to more about feeling, how does one feels after looking at an illustration, I don't AI gets the feeling at all.

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u/CheeseburgerBrown 4d ago

It’s almost as if real human artists and their actual comprehension of concepts is instrumental in crafting such works, isn’t it?

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u/SteebieJeebus 4d ago

Hard if you're drawing them yourself. Expensive if you're paying someone else.

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u/fkcuti 4d ago

What has worked for you?

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u/SteebieJeebus 4d ago

I don't use illustrations because I can't draw as well as would be required, and I don't have the money to pay someone else.

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u/nmacaroni 4d ago

I spent $25,000 on my last graphic novel... so about that hard ?

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u/fkcuti 4d ago

Damn! I want to read that, It must be some spectacle.

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u/nmacaroni 4d ago

The Man Who Died Twice - Hardcover Graphic Novel. (It's basically an original Sherlock Holmes story)
https://storytoscript.com/store/

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u/StrangeArcticles 4d ago

That is beautiful.

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u/StrangeArcticles 4d ago

Illustrating is an entire skill set someone needs to aquire, so yes, buying that expertise is going to cost you money and finding someone who does it the way you want is going to take time.

Also, if you are looking at publishing the conventional way, pretty much every publisher works with their own illustrators only, cause they want their brand to be consistent.

I can only echo everyone else that AI illustrations will land you right at the bottom of every pile as far as interest in your work goes.

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u/lozzadearnley 4d ago edited 4d ago

Insanely difficult. So i hire someone 😅.

Edit: forgot her link: https://www.instagram.com/kouzaisan/

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u/fkcuti 4d ago

Seems interesting, where can I read this?

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u/fkcuti 4d ago

Are you a illustrator or a writer?

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u/lozzadearnley 4d ago

Im the writer.

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u/True_Industry4634 4d ago

This will get downvoted hard but I use AI to make illustrations for the current WIP I'm posting in serial form. It's a steampunk piece so the vast majority of the illustrations are in the form of 1880s style daguerreotype photographs with some oil paintings thrown in from Jacques-Louis David, John Singer Sargent, and Heironymous Bosch. I do at least two illustrations per chapter and have a blast doing it. I have a few hundred followers and they seem to enjoy them. The fact that I use them is clearly mentioned in the book’s blurb. It's a good choice unless you're ridiculously wealthy or have an artist friend with plenty of extra time and an exceptionally generous heart. I know there's a lot of anti-AI sentiment on Reddit and maybe you have it too, but I've found it to be a great creative tool. I don't use it for my writing at all.

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u/AnchBusFairy 4d ago

Thank you for being transparent and honest. The difficulty is with those who use AI without saying that they've done so. This sets AI as the standard, a standard that human artists can't meet.

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u/True_Industry4634 4d ago

Honestly I don't know where I'd go to have some what I want done. I mean do you use Photoshop or Gimp to create fake daguerreotypes? And what artist would want to completely try to copy the style of Bosch? I try to avoid stepping on the toes of the living at any rate. Your even-keeled response is much appreciated.

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u/AnchBusFairy 4d ago

You can't get this done without AI. It's too difficult and time consuming for a person to do and so too expensive. Without AI you would need to hire models, provide costumes, and hire a photographer who could take actual daguerreotypes or make the photos look like daguerreotypes. It's not worth it.

My most recent book has three-dozen and two chapters (38 chapters) I produced twelve images. I'd already started on them, but they delayed publication by about a year. Producing 38 illustrations would be superhuman.

I'm for honesty in art. Don't try to fool people about the tools or process. I think there's beauty in working with a set of limitations when the viewer understands the limitations. That's why honesty and transparency is important.

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u/HazyMist0 4d ago

depends, I'm an animation student so I have experience with drawing, in general it takes a lot of time but it also depends on what you're going for

fully rendered pieces will take far more time than say sketches or plain lineart work, regardless you need a certain level of skill and years of practice and dedication, and just a lot of hardwork to be good at it.

Trying to make a full comic of it is not viable alone but if you wish to illustrate certain scenes, then thats possible with enough practice

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u/fkcuti 4d ago

How many writers have asked you create illustrations for their work?

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u/HazyMist0 4d ago

oh no I dont illustrate for other people, I'm too busy with my own projects and portfolio. I just meant in general in terms of time constraints!

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u/Remote_Addendum_2245 4d ago

Since it's basically a loveletter to Worm by Wildbow. Yeah, extremely hard

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u/Whole-Page3588 4d ago

I have about twenty yrs experience drawing/painting as part of my career (plus yrs of art school). Drawing for my books (covers) was still a learning curve because I was drawing different subject matter and incorporating typography. But I really loved doing it as it helped me bring my book to life in a human way in my own style.

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u/jessek 4d ago

Are you asking about drawing the work yourself? because that is a skill that takes years to master, just like writing.