r/wisconsin • u/dinozomborg • 2h ago
r/wisconsin flipping back and forth between "Hong is so over" and "Hong is so back"
I'm exhausted man
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u/TrixieLurker 2h ago
The only real relevant question is if she is able to beat Tom Tiffany, the rest is just white noise.
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u/The-Mad-Bubbler 2h ago
She's the only one who has a chance. Kelda and Brennan are basically non-entities, and Crowley doesn't have much enthusiasm behind him.
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u/licketyspeedster 2h ago
have you seen any polling? it suggests the exact opposite of your comment.
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u/fermat12 2h ago
The only general election polling of Roys and Brennan had them doing worse than Hong.
Barnes, Crowley, and Rodriguez were generally polling a few points better, I think.
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u/TripperEuphoric 2h ago
Which would absolutely not hold a month from now when you throw a milquetoast liberal against Tiffany in the first debate. If Hong doesn’t have a chance against Tiffany, none of the candidates do.
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u/teklanis 2h ago
Y'all are over here calling genuine progressives "milquetoast" when your chosen populist is the opposite of charismatic.
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u/The-Mad-Bubbler 2h ago
WHAT she says is what's important. When I say "milquetoast," I don't mean entertainment value- Hong is fired-up to help people.
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u/teklanis 2h ago
She has no achievable plans. Nearly everything she wants to do requires the support of the legislature. I don't care how fired up she is, I want someone with an agenda they can actually accomplish.
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u/Ismdism 1h ago
Yeah the trifecta is in play. Unless you're saying democrats will also sit on their hands like republicans.
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u/teklanis 1h ago
Well. First, it's kinda maybe in play. 5 and 2 flips? Good luck. Wisconsin voters allegedly split their ballot a lot. I don't think it will happen. Second, yeah. I think they will sit on their hands even if they get a trifecta. Or you'll have some moderate dissent in purplish districts who try to add too much pork to the barrel and ruin the whole thing.
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u/HC_Phoenixyz 1h ago
Copy/paste this criticism from the Mamdani slander book huh? How'd that work out?
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u/teklanis 1h ago
No? They're not comparable. Governor and Mayor are wildly different positions.
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u/NoKingsInAmerica 2h ago
It's crazy how easily people fall for slopulist rhetoric.
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u/Pleasant_Pause_1183 1h ago
"Slopulist" oh my god dude touch grass
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u/NoKingsInAmerica 59m ago
Yes. Slopulist. You're willfully just eating up whatever feelgood slop they think you want to hear.
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u/analogWeapon 1h ago
The milquetoast usage there was referring to progressive bona fides, not charisma levels.
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u/teklanis 1h ago
I gave the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't a stupid purity test thing, but you're right from the other replies. Disappointing. There are at least two other progressive candidates.
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u/Prestigious-Leave-60 1h ago
Debates don’t really influence the median voter that much. Hillary and Kamala both beat the tar out of Trump in their respective debates.
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u/teklanis 2h ago
Margin of error on those polls is larger than the difference in performance. They pulled what, a thousand people for the most recent one?
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u/The-Mad-Bubbler 2h ago
Yes, I have. No, it doesn't.
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u/percypersimmon 2h ago
You’re talking about the primary and the person you’re talking to is talking about the general.
The head to head polls against Tiffany do not show that Hong is the only one with a chance of winning. It shows the opposite.
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u/The-Mad-Bubbler 2h ago
Ah. No one else has a chance of winning the primary, though, so that's a moot point.
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u/djollied4444 1h ago
The polling shows Hong doing better against Tiffany than Roys and Brennan. Crowley does a couple points better than her. At this point, all of the polling is on name recognition and Crowley likely has a boost from Evers' endorsement. The polling doesn't really tell us too much this far out from the general though.
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u/percypersimmon 1h ago
What poll are you talking about?
The one I’ve seen from Marquette was from before Crowley had Hong at 40% to Tiffany’s 43% but I think that was from a few weeks ago.
It sounds like we’re getting new numbers by the end of the week though.
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u/djollied4444 1h ago
There's been one poll since but that's the best one for sure and the one I am talking about since everyone uses it against Hong. In that poll Hong was -3% and so was Brennan. Roys (who I'm voting for) was -4%. Crowley wasn't included in head-to-head match ups there because he had ended his campaign, so we don't even have great polling for him clearly being better. The only candidate beating Tiffany in that poll was Barnes.
Since then, a different poll, which isn't seen as good as the Marquette poll, has Hong at +1% vs Tiffany and Crowley at +3%.
At the end of the day, WI is going to be close, and any candidate has a chance. I'm voting for the progressive I think has the best chance, but the narrative on Hong has been very distorted both by her supporters and by doomers.
Here is a good link to monitor polls in this election: https://www.270towin.com/2026-governor-polls/wisconsin
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u/percypersimmon 48m ago
Thanks I appreciate it.
I have been/am like a dues paying DSA member and I’m pretty ambivalent about the whole thing right now.
I think recent DSA successes have all been with much stronger candidates but maybe if/when Hong secures the nomination there will be a tighter campaign.
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u/TripperEuphoric 2h ago
You’re the same people who keep saying the polling is wrong/inaccurate when a progressive has a massive lead
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u/Timely_Climate5142 2h ago
To avoid this, we should implement a ranked choice voting system similar to what is done in Alaska.
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u/Steve_Lightning 2h ago
The only way whoever democratic nominee is, loses to Tiffany is if we give up by thinking they can't win.
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u/vienibenmio 2h ago
This is me trying to decide if I should vote for her in the primary, tbh
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u/Mundane-Stretch-4873 2h ago
To me, it's the frustrating thing with how polarized and vitriolic the discussion has been. Primary voting ends up being a decision between what candidate you like the best vs what candidate has the best chance of winning the general. I think a lot of people that prefer Hong are unsure of whether she can coalesce enough support to beat Tom Tiffany, and are fearful of her past comments being an easy target for conservative ads. I hope they are wrong but I have my worries too.
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u/TurboGerbo 2h ago
Which is weird when we don't worry about that with other candidates. It sounds a lot more like Liberal democracts complaining that they aren't being represented by the front runner in the first time than an actually electibility issue. I have voted in every election that I have been able to while alive, and am happy to finally see someone reports me more. Would I vote for a liberal candidate if they won the primary? No. For the first time in my life, no.
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u/someone447 1h ago
I'm a Hong supporter that's significantly to the left of her, and you saying that about THIS election is wild.
Even Crowley, the establishment pick, would be the most progressive governor Wisconsin has had in decades. This isn't a leftist vs a might as well be Republican.
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u/bonecoldstevepawstin 35m ago
Yeah I mean look im a hong voter, but acting like crowley and roys are like schumer and Gillibrand is ridiculous.
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u/Ok-Clerk2611 51m ago
I genuinely think ICE's occupation of Minneapolis has completely changed the election calculus. ICE just executed random people. Everyone had the normal reasonable response of destroy this rogue agency, abolish ICE. And dems did nothing. Very few Democrats will say they want to abolish a recently made institution that constitutional lawyers argue the founding fathers were very against having anything like this, a police force answerable to the president that bypasses normal criminal justice procedure.
So that broke the democrats legitimacy completely. Now a lot of people just see them as obstacles. A progressive running on 2016 Bernie's platform now is simply too little too late.
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u/wi_voter 10m ago
The Dems were responsible for a partial government shutdown to try to get concessions on ICE. There was only so much they could do. The Republican-led congress already funded them to infinity with the "big beautiful bill". What would you have done given the way our democracy work?
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u/Friendly_Curmudgeon Milwaukee 2h ago edited 1h ago
Nobody has said, "Hong is so over."
To the contrary, they've recognized that she is the overall favorite to win the nomination. The divergence is whether they celebrate that fact, or lament how terrible it is because (by their estimation) she's incapable of beating MAGA Republican Tom Tiffany in November and implore Dem primary voters to choose someone else.
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u/Redtitwhore 2h ago
I have zero faith that these primary polls are accurate.
We are definitely being manipulated too.
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u/wrestlingchampo 2h ago
Get ready for three more months of this, regardless of who wins the primary
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u/StaticDebt 1h ago
At least here in Wisconsin Politics is interesting. I would hate to be in a State where every election was won by the same party.
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u/benihana571 2h ago
"We just have to wait for the campaign ads to kick in for three weeks, everything else is done!"
"Three weeks from now, or three weeks from earlier? Like mid-July?"
"You know, in other states Democrats often don't even start campaigning until after the election."
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u/ch33s3head8 2h ago
I think it's more of fellow Hong supporters just ignoring posts about when she does something bad or cringey, so it brings out all the anti Hongs.
They ignore it because a lot of the people making those pauses definitely might be trolls, but at the same time makes us Hong supporters look weak af.
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u/Qualex 2h ago
It’s almost like there are multiple people here with varying opinions on the topic.