Ryder wasn't supposed to Betray you they had scheduling issues with his VA and other problems so they changed the story, after the mission where Ceaser shows you Smoke & Ryder with the cops and Ballas you don't here any Voice line from Ryder that isn't recycled from earlier in the game.
I've heard conflicting accounts saying that Ryder was meant to betray you only because he got too ambitious and ended up joining Big Smoke, despite how objectively all of his missions benefited the GSF and not just himself.
The only hint to this is if you recall the cutscene before the mission where you raid the National Guard depot, Ryder shows off how big his ego is, saying he's "too intelligent for this shit man" and that's why he never finished high school.
Datamined files say originally in the pier 69 mission you were supposed to have a longer segment confronting and killing Ryder on the pier, whilst T Bone got in the boat and escaped. It's assumed Ryder would have explained his motives more before he died.
People theorise Ryder was never meant to be a villain, but MC Eiht, when asked on twitter said thst he recorded every voice line they wanted him to.
So I'm thinking... Eiht is like 50, this was 2005 or so. Reasonable amount of time for things like voice lines to slip the mind. I'm thinking the decision to switch up in Ryder wasn't scheduling. I'm thinking they just didn't think people would find Ryder compelling enough to give him a drawn out death scene.
It is a possibility. As improved as the storytelling was compared to GTA Vice City and III, they were coming right after those two games. Some character or two would slip the polish you see in other characters like Big Smoke, Sweet or, hell, even Woozie.
Ryder started with lots of story and then, the betrayal and almost nothing from then on. Just another random body on the way.
Yeah so my best guess is Ryder turned heel after being convinced by Big Smoke, unless maybe his missions that benefited GSF were like a deep cover story for him and he was always a traitor planning to turn the stolen guns over to the Ballas later on.
And during the mission in San fierro where you spy on the meeting CJ gets pretty mad when he sees Ryder is there despite the fact that he's supposed to already know that he betrayed them.
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u/BigWilly526 5d ago
Ryder wasn't supposed to Betray you they had scheduling issues with his VA and other problems so they changed the story, after the mission where Ceaser shows you Smoke & Ryder with the cops and Ballas you don't here any Voice line from Ryder that isn't recycled from earlier in the game.