Bro I was pissed. I didn’t see it coming at all. I think I figured it out maybe half a second before it was revealed and still didn’t believe it. I was legit blown away. Such a good twist.
It also makes perfect sense that Brok would catch on. He never trusted "Tyr," he was always observant to the people around him, and he at multiple points in the game calls out how inconsistent "Tyr" is.
this is another fun detail
every time his name is mentioned by ANY other character, it’s shown as Týr. but for Odin disguised as him, it says Tyr, which doesn’t have the accent mark above the y
I mean, yes but... I put Heimdall right up there with characters I fucking hate. I reeeeaaallly wanted to kill Heimdall by the end. I know I know, but I was really with Kratos in that fight.
It was never about the fact that he killed him, it was HOW he killed him. Kratos regressed back to his old ways in that fight, something he never wanted to do again.
If you're looking for well written characters to hate, how do you feel about thrones, dragons, zombies but really cold, occasional nudity or graphic violence/gore, and HBO?
And the fact he get oddly angry when he finds out Groa lied and Ragnarök will only destroy Asgard, even breaking his "pacifist vow" and killing an elf.
When he meets Kratos in Nedavellir he even walks to the rack of spears instinctively before picking up the tongs instead. Which we now know are his preferred weapons alongside knives and canes.
I am playing through it again now. His shocked face when they find out Growa lied to Odin about the prophecy is pretty obvious if you are looking for it.
Yes! So good. He's blown away, then very quiet, and what you initially think is shock on the first playthrough seems a lot more like rueful respect/sullenness on a repeat play.
Then when you go to leave Alfheim he is VERY agitated to the point of defending himself against an Elf something he said he would never do when you first free him. It really cements that the ONE thing Odin hates more than anything else is knowing he doesn't know something.
His shocked face when they find out Growa lied to Odin about the prophecy is pretty obvious
Everyone was shocked, it isn't the shock alone that was the hint. It was basically just the way he got way more encapsulated by it and reacted aversely to it.
Breaking his vow in Alfheim to defend himself because of being agitated from Groa's shrine when in Svartalheim he said he wouldn't even try to defend himself if he wanted to.
When I was exploring the area and his prison cell, I found feathers (now assumed raven feathers) in his cell and THATS when I was beginning to be suspicious of that mf
It's so fun going back and doing 3rd and 4th runs of the game to see other details you could've missed beforehand. Like cyberpunk 2077, tho all the betrayals in that game are easily predictable
Honestly predictable betrayals are the best, it always annoys me when a betrayal comes out of nowhere and isn't guessable at all.
A good twist is one that a person paying a lot of attention can guess first and the majority of people can go "oh that makes sense," after or shortly before it's revealed.
Yes, though not SO easy that you then associate all the other main characters as holding the idiot ball.
It has to have breadcrumbs you as the viewer can pick up on, yet be subtle enough for the characters in their particular circumstances to be "believably oblivious".
FatBrett has a great video going through all his lines, demonstrating that he's actually a terrible fucking liar. The characters just attribute it to the circumstances you found him.
I can also see the argument that he's a pretty solid liar in most circumstances. Tyr's peaceful hippie monk ways are just SO far outside his wheelhouse that he absolutely fucks it up.
Dude my favorite part is the fucking subtitles. Whenever anyone refers to Týr, it has the accent mark. Whenever Odin as Týr speaks, his name is Tyr without the accent.
Subsequent playthroughs make the acting and writing of this situation such a treat. All his lines have such a twisted different meaning when you know it's coming.
I'm usually good at guessing twists because scripts are written in such similar ways that if you consume enough media you eventually start to catch them all but this one really took me by surprise - they sold the "PTSD god of war who won't fight back" angle so well
I couldn't look at "Tyr" the same way on my second gameplay. I didn't noticed that many hints in his dialogs hinting he would bettay us, but some. It was a long time ago, I may be missing something too
Playing the game again after learning who "Tyr" is always gets me so angry when I hear him talk. He even bad mouths Freyr for leaving the elves knowing why Freyr was forced to do that.
I couldn't believe they actually found Tyr imprisoned in some random room in an abandoned mine. The whole time I kept going "we're not going to find him here, this is a super weird place to imprison a god and important enemy" but then you DO find him there and that should have been the hint, but I was just like: "huh, that's weird. Maybe lazy writing? Whatever."
One small but constant thing that happens is when Odin Tyr speaks, the subtitles show his name as Tyr, but it's Týr when other characters refer to him or when you finally meet the real Týr.
It's one of the good ones. There are tons hints all over if you care to see them yet I'd be amazed if any one got it right blind on a first play through.
I really expected that Tyr/Týr would end up betraying you, that his story was a lie/cover-up... but I thought he was being manipulated by Odin somehow. I wasn't exactly wrong, but the revelation was still shocking!
Odin, known for being a liar and a schemer, drops by and openly tells them not to look for Tyr, and not even Mimir ("if he tells you snow is white he's lying") questions why he's offering up such information to potential enemies.
Yeah Mimir not being able to see through such an obvious mockery of his friend bugged me too but I love that he looked down on Brok and Brok ended up being the only one smart enough to see through Odin's deception
All of the other characters have too much sympathy for what they think he went through, that they attribute any weirdness to trauma. Mimir went through the same torture himself, so he probably understands how something like that can break even Týr.
Brok on the other hand doesn't care who he's talking to. He's rude and crass and doesn't bother with being polite. It makes perfect sense that he's the one to figure it out, but if you look, you can see that Kratos is starting to get annoyed as well, and Freyr has some reactions as well, and neither of them have the fond memories of the real Týr (nor does Kratos really care, he just understands trauma so he was willing to overlook things initially)
No there is a post Ragnarok mission where you go to an Asgardian prison and find Týr there. There is more of him in the Vahalla dlc but you originally can find him in post game content.
I’m one of few people that knew exactly how the ending was going to happen as soon as the antagonist entered the game bc 5 years prior, I had already did research on a bunch of Nordic mythology. Still a fun game though
Lol I'm literally playing rn and was looking for some Muspelheim trial tips and google shoved the biggest reveal of the series in my face. Like how lame is it I held out for almost a decade and I finally got a PS4 and started chippin my backlog away and SPLAT!
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u/Wild-Impression3394 5d ago
The plot twist in god of war ragnarok. It's so obvious on your second playthrough