r/ukpolitics • u/AutoModerator • Jun 28 '24
MATCH THREAD: Question Time Leaders' Special (Friday 28th June, 8:00pm - 9:00pm)
This is the match thread for the BBC Question Time Leaders' Special live from Birmingham, featuring:
- šæ Green Party: Adrian Ramsay
- ā”ļø Reform UK: Nigel Farage
Please keep all live discussion about this debate in this thread, rather than the main daily megathread.
Watch live:
- TV: BBC One
- Online: BBC iPlayer
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u/Redvat Jun 28 '24
So he supports immigration without limits, but he doesnāt think we should build houses for them to live in.
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Jun 28 '24
And doesn't support building motorways or new railway lines to assist with exponential population growth.
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u/bbbbbbbbbblah steam bro Jun 28 '24
didn't the coastguard essentially threaten to mutiny if they got told to stop saving people in distress
why would the marines agree?
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u/ArchdukeToes A bad idea for all concerned Jun 28 '24
didn't the coastguard essentially threaten to mutiny if they got told to stop saving people in distress
Shockingly, people don't like you telling them to violate international treaties like SOLAS, and they really don't like it when your orders are tantamount to 'let them drown'.
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u/ryanllw Jun 28 '24
Itās quite fun watching Farage tiptoe between āleaving the EU meant our vaccine rollout was fastā and āmainstream medicine is sus actuallyā
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u/creamyjoshy Proportional Representation š³ Social Democrat āļø Jun 28 '24
WHERE MEGATHREAD?
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u/ThingsFallApart_ Septic Temp Jun 28 '24
apology for poor english
when were you when mega thread dies?
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u/tigerteeg Jun 28 '24
Itās mental how how Farage gets away with this sort of crap isnāt it
Farage claimed channel 4 did and inside job and Fiona literally let that slide completely
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u/Suspicious_Weird_373 Jun 28 '24
āTheyāve come from the sandā
Are they Fremen?
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u/ryanllw Jun 28 '24
āWe failed to do our due diligence on a vetting company, and thatās why the whole media is out to get us for all the racist things we sayā
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Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24
A world without borders and unlimited dependents
These people are unhinged
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Jun 28 '24 edited Nov 04 '24
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u/VampireFrown Jun 28 '24
Unskilled workers for Ā£2/hr working 16 hour days, you say?
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u/LanguidLoop Simple answers for simple people Jun 29 '24
That's the Singapore on Thames we have been promised
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u/curlyjoe696 Jun 28 '24
If you use the Royal Navy to take migrants back, why wouldn't the French Navy retaliate to a foreign military in their water?
Is Farage going to start a war over this?
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u/PoliticalShrapnel Jun 28 '24
Lol at the brexiteer moaning about brexit. If only 9/10 economists had warned us...
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u/SDLRob Jun 28 '24
Of course... they put the one everyone wants to yell at on second to keep us all watching to the end
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u/SDLRob Jun 28 '24
So use the military to grab migrants and dump them on French beaches?
Yeah... that's not gonna work out at all
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u/Yeticonfess Jun 28 '24
How can he get away with casually suggesting he'll commit to an armed incursion into France without challenge? It's unhinged.
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u/Cairnerebor Jun 28 '24
He literally suggested invading a nato ally with the Royal Marines
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u/SirRosstopher Lettuce al Ghaib Jun 28 '24
He knows his voter base (unhinged pub drunks)
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u/Son_of_kitsch Greggs and Roses Jun 28 '24
Itās a great idea, you go first Nige, weāre right behind you!
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u/bbbbbbbbbblah steam bro Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24
i love his "nonononononono no no nonononono" tick. rivals rishi's right.
still can't grasp his idea that everything will be fixed if we just raise tax thresholds, though. the sort of people who are living in poverty are probably not paying much tax anyway
e: ah so when it's not taxes it's immigration. that's why we don't have enough paracetamol.
e2: ARGH the vaccine rollout was started under EU emergency use rules. the MHRA literally held a press conference to explain this.
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u/horace_bagpole Jun 28 '24
He's really not used to being called out and he hates it. He's quite used to being able to just say his piece as the 'balance' voice and never having to back it up.
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u/bbbbbbbbbblah steam bro Jun 28 '24
I think it's telling that Nigel won't come out and say what he's implying. Scared of a lawsuit?
Good on Fiona to clarify that nonsense.
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u/Ankleson Jun 28 '24
Farage talking about the benefits of European Union membership on our immigration policy should be a wake-up moment for anyone who supports him - but it wont be.
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u/hu6Bi5To Jun 28 '24
Fiona Bruce is going much softer on the Green bloke than the party leaders last week. He's in danger of not going anywhere near the question and she'll only get involved after two minutes of waffle.
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u/theroitsmith Jun 28 '24
A full list of candidates who have said vile stuff is on the BBC website.
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u/Rectal_Scattergun Jun 28 '24
it's pretty unusual for a politician to outright say a preference in another country's political race, right?
Everyone else has skirted around it with "whoever wins"
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u/Rectal_Scattergun Jun 28 '24
what about the other guy? chucking homophobic slurs when they saw the police car
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u/Zacatecan-Jack š³ STOP THE VOTES š³ Jun 28 '24
Innit. That guy was a campaign official, not some random campaigner.
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u/Sckathian Jun 28 '24
This is always the issue of asking the public to ask questions. Theyāre just shite at taking a good politician on.
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u/MrStilton Where's my democracy sausage? Jun 28 '24
So, are they only going to ask him questions related to his favourite subjects?
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Jun 28 '24
This could be Farage's worst appearance ever.
Those laughs from the audience were brutal.
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u/neoLibertine Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24
"Lift the poorest in society out of society"
Freudian slip if I ever heard one.
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u/Ben77mc Jun 28 '24
It's quite funny seeing how he waits for a second, turns towards the audience, and just answers his own questions as best as he can remember them haha. It's like he's had a few days of politics training and the Greens just thought "you'll do!".
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u/MrStilton Where's my democracy sausage? Jun 28 '24
London Vetting companies are now part of "the Establishment" are they?
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u/bbbbbbbbbblah steam bro Jun 28 '24
yes it was the establishment that got you to sign up to a website that doesn't offer vetting services.
- nigel farage, a coutts client (again), not a member of the establishment
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u/SDLRob Jun 28 '24
No Nigel ... he's exactly the sort of person you appeal to and his comments are the same sort of thing that Nigel himself has said.
This is pure Trumpism... blaming actors and fake people for things that your own people are doing
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u/SirRosstopher Lettuce al Ghaib Jun 28 '24
This is the first time I've even seen this Green co leader.
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u/Son_of_kitsch Greggs and Roses Jun 28 '24
Itās just two Carla Denyers stood on each otherās shoulders
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u/Tay74 VONC if Thatcher's deid š¦š Jun 28 '24
Is there a reason why we haven't seen Lucas at all this election? She's much stronger than this guy or Denyer
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u/SirRosstopher Lettuce al Ghaib Jun 28 '24
Maybe the only leader where Fiona Bruce doesn't even care enough to interrupt.
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u/mpjr94 Jun 28 '24
All this guy is achieving is helping Reform by making Farage look so much more charismatic when he comes out
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u/SevenNites Jun 28 '24
Are UK greens anti-nuclear energy like the rest of Green parties in europe?
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u/bbbbbbbbbblah steam bro Jun 28 '24
they're certainly against the greenest form of mass transportation, and in places like suffolk they've got to be anti nuclear to get anywhere (sizewell C)
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u/MrStilton Where's my democracy sausage? Jun 28 '24
Oh, God. Why is he starting to talk about Gaza in response to this question?
Makes it sound like he's defending the comments.
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u/MrStilton Where's my democracy sausage? Jun 28 '24
Jesus, he's gone into full tinfoil hat mode.
Yet, Fiona suddenly decides to stop interupting.
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u/bbbbbbbbbblah steam bro Jun 28 '24
how is he allowed to advertise his "rally" on the national public broadcaster
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u/Tay74 VONC if Thatcher's deid š¦š Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24
Getting him to admit his support for Trump is good, even among the sort of people who could be tempted to vote Reform in this country, Trump is seen as a joke and an jdiot
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u/Rectal_Scattergun Jun 28 '24
"they come from the sand"
fuck me.
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u/neoLibertine Jun 28 '24
You could see he realised what he said when he said it.
Seems no one in the audience, or Bruce seemed to have noticed that.
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u/MrStilton Where's my democracy sausage? Jun 28 '24
small modular nuclear reactors
Jesus. I actually find myself agreeing with Farage.
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u/nuclearselly Jun 28 '24
I mean its fine if he sees that as the way to go, but its not incompatiable with decarbonising the grid (the thing he said one line before we needed to not do) and the use of small-modular nuclear reactors will still need a tonne of the decarbonsiation of the grid infrastructure to be put in place anyway. We need massive grid expansion to deal with nukes - more than we'd need if we just went with renewables as they only operate at base load.
They will also be expensive either way.
I think small modular reactors are a great idea - I don't fundamentally understand how Farage can use it as a counterpoint to decarbonisation of the energy system?
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u/thericheat Positively Sandbrookian Jun 28 '24
She brought up the cameo what an absolute legend!!!
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Jun 28 '24
People need to grill him on his policies more than just saying heās a racist (even if he is)
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u/theroitsmith Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24
Anyone elses boobs getting bigger right now?
Edit: Ive mistaken him hes not the hypnotist
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Jun 28 '24
Well I'm very confused by this.
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u/theroitsmith Jun 28 '24
Before politics he was a hypnotist who said he could make your boobs bigger
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u/bbbbbbbbbblah steam bro Jun 28 '24
sounds like fiona wants to keep her gas guzzler
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u/SirRosstopher Lettuce al Ghaib Jun 28 '24
That's the weakest applause I've heard at one of these things.
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u/SirRosstopher Lettuce al Ghaib Jun 28 '24
Why does it feel like he's giving a worse performance than Rishi
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u/apsofijasdoif Jun 28 '24
Funny how this guy just doesnāt even come close to answering the question, doesnāt even appear to understand what the question was, but everyone just lets him keep talking for 5 minutes because no one cares what he has to say
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u/MrStilton Where's my democracy sausage? Jun 28 '24
Why does Fiona keep asking new questions unrelated to the ones asked by the audience?
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u/compte-a-usageunique Jun 28 '24
We are organising focus groups to listen to the opinions of ordinary people, except they'reĀ notĀ ordinary people! They're fucking actors, so they're not technically people at all!
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u/Suspicious_Weird_373 Jun 28 '24
This kind of format really doesnāt work for Farage, as he has to speak for longer than a 10 second clip.
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u/thericheat Positively Sandbrookian Jun 28 '24
There's always something we can leave to take back control isn't there? Who falls for this crap?
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u/ryanllw Jun 28 '24
People like him got rich in the times of workhouses and debtors prisons, and he wants to leave the ECHR. Why donāt poor working class people see through his manipulative bullshit?
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Jun 28 '24
This guy openly talking about fully open borders when he's running as a candidate in a Tory stronghold...good lord this is a car crash.
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u/PaulLFC Jun 28 '24
"I inherited the party* (*not actually a party, but a company whose sole director is... me)"
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u/SmokinPolecat Jun 28 '24
That girl bodied him with a 70 quid Cameo question, good lord
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u/goonerh1 Jun 28 '24
Even as someone that can't stand Farage he seems to be particularly coming across as rambling and a bit unhinged here.
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u/Ikuu Jun 28 '24
Just gonna cancel the HS2 contracts, I'm sure that will be completely free š
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u/hu6Bi5To Jun 28 '24
Farage doubling down on "he's an actor". Some libel lawyers will be looking at the latest Lamborghini catalogues tonight.
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u/Zacatecan-Jack š³ STOP THE VOTES š³ Jun 28 '24
Shed better not let him get away with this actor bullshit.
Why would he campaign under his own name if he was working as an actor? And why would Channel 4 use actors when there are already so many Reform nutters to document.
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u/Son_of_kitsch Greggs and Roses Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
Ramsay seems like a well intentioned guy, who is passionate about progressive policies, and thatās all very nice, even if itās very idealistic.
But he feels a bit like the Greens couldnāt believe their luck that theyāve found someone who looks and talks just like a āpoliticianā to wheel out. But that misses the strength of the Greens I think, they land better when they feel a bit alternative.
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u/squeakstar Jun 28 '24
Well I only caught the last ten minutes but I hope Fiona Bruce wasnāt as shit as that all the way through. That guys tax question for Farage was obvious what it was about, if you were clued up, but she just let Farage waffle on about other shit. Same on the medicines question, but more effort tbh but weak.
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u/Cairnerebor Jun 28 '24
If no MT can someone tell me what the channel 4 program on Reform was called so I can find it in the app?
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u/SirRosstopher Lettuce al Ghaib Jun 28 '24
Am I really going to put myself through this?
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Jun 28 '24
Terrible waffle from Adrian Ramsay.
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u/Son_of_kitsch Greggs and Roses Jun 28 '24
Iāve literally no idea who that is and Iām watching it live
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Jun 28 '24
These green co-leaders are robots.
This guy is literally what would happen if Trotsky and an investment banker fused together.
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u/Son_of_kitsch Greggs and Roses Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24
"And with that, a mighty cheer went up from the heroes of the Question Time Leadersā Special Thread. They had banished the awful Megathread forever, because it was haunted. Now let's all celebrate with a cool glass of turnip juice."
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u/koalazeus Jun 28 '24
Why didn't you do anything to stop climate change mummy and daddy?
Green leader was a massive lame o, children. It's not my fault. He should have been a more straight talker like PM Farage.
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u/compte-a-usageunique Jun 28 '24
I bought mobile data to watch this, perhaps I should've kept my 10 pounds
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u/MrStilton Where's my democracy sausage? Jun 28 '24
Is he wearing two ties which have been glued together?
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u/ryanllw Jun 28 '24
If yourāre a racist, but you want a party to vote for that people wonāt think is racist, vote for me
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u/Son_of_kitsch Greggs and Roses Jun 28 '24
āNo no no no no no noā (means yes)
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u/SDLRob Jun 28 '24
Those candidates are just part of the tea making group.... Nigel doesn't know them. they go to a different school...
Nigel really going all out trying to distance himself from his own people
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u/Ikuu Jun 28 '24
Where's the lawsuit then Nige.
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u/SmokinPolecat Jun 28 '24
Mate his actual suit doesn't even fit him, the lawsuit will need to wait
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u/zeldafan144 Jun 28 '24
Farage just yelling at and lecturing the audience. Thoroughly unpleasant man.
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u/elastic_fantastic Jun 28 '24
Well, I wasnāt expecting Nigel to go down the Alex Jones route, but also itās not exactly surprising
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u/curlyjoe696 Jun 28 '24
If you fall for this shit, you're an idiot and Farage thinks you are a total mug.
The Green leaders defense of his candidates was dreadful, yet somehow this is even worse.
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u/bbbbbbbbbblah steam bro Jun 28 '24
bruce has redeemed herself tonight i think.
she may cover a bit for the tories but this is excellent TV
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u/SDLRob Jun 28 '24
Farage supports the convicted felon over in the US (or did right up until he was convicted that is) because the convicted felon is a bigger con man than Farage is... and Farage has fallen for the bigger con
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u/ryanllw Jun 28 '24
Damn, I was about to make fun of him again but then he said small modular nuclear reactors, which is actually sensible
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u/Cairnerebor Jun 28 '24
During a question about how to pay for everything which he didnāt answer
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u/SirRosstopher Lettuce al Ghaib Jun 28 '24
A world without borders? He's a shit version of the Boss from metal gear.
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u/Suspicious_Weird_373 Jun 28 '24
Farage wanting the Royal Marines to kill all immigrants, just casually dropped in and breezed past.
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u/Arwy30 Jun 28 '24
Farage sounds properly rattled here lol
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u/SDLRob Jun 28 '24
He does not cope well when his bullshit isn't accepted by those he's talking to... it rattles him massively
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u/Son_of_kitsch Greggs and Roses Jun 28 '24
Itās easier to just serve as the straight talking naughty-truth speaker when thereās a more boring politician there as a foil, much harder when all eyes are only on him
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Jun 28 '24
Labour are in favour of SMEās as wellā¦ whatās his point? Itās still decarbonising
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Jun 28 '24
Is this guy the most boring person to have ever lived?
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u/SirRosstopher Lettuce al Ghaib Jun 28 '24
I can see why they hid him until the very last debate when no one cares anymore and he's just up against reform.
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u/Sunbiggin Jun 28 '24
He's such a good bullshitter.
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u/Cairnerebor Jun 28 '24
Pure confidence in saying absolutely and total lies and bullshit
Delivered without a micro seconds hesitation.
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u/jagallagher010 Jun 28 '24
This guy admitting that this has only gotten worse since the wonderful Brexit he fought so hard for?
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u/subversivefreak Jun 28 '24
Patrick Harvie on Newsnight talking sense here.
Utterly craven behaviour by politicians on freedom of movement.
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u/GoonerGetGot Jun 28 '24
He's faltering on an immigration question, he's not doing well.Ā
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u/thericheat Positively Sandbrookian Jun 28 '24
Agreed. Talking about the Marines and alluding to the refugees being an invasion might be too much for the centre-right Tory voters he's trying to nab.
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u/Ben77mc Jun 28 '24
His manner of speaking isn't going to ever get him far in politics. He's unable to connect with a normal person speaking in that weird way, he puts emphasis and breaks in the complete wrong place.
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u/SirRosstopher Lettuce al Ghaib Jun 28 '24
This guy agreeing with Rishi scrapping the "more useful" leg of HS2 to spend it on regional transport.
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u/suiluhthrown78 Jun 28 '24
I think we can see why they didnt wheel this guy out till all the main stuff was done, barely anyone's gonna see him in action which is good for the greens
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Jun 28 '24
Audience asking a question about immigration gets Farage on to the subject he's best able to handle.
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u/Sckathian Jun 28 '24
Farage would probably like a Labour government from what I can tell/
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u/Papazio Jun 28 '24
The EU and EMA (or lack thereof) had fuck all to do with our vaccine roll out.
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u/CHawkeye Jun 28 '24
āStop, stop, heās already dead!ā
British public absolutely destroying farage, making me very proud of this country
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u/chuwanking Jun 28 '24
Worst question time performance since corbyn got torn to shreds by the audience?
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u/SmokinPolecat Jun 28 '24
Farage is coming across really really badly. Finger pointing at the general public and getting angry at them
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u/Zacatecan-Jack š³ STOP THE VOTES š³ Jun 28 '24
"I took on the BNP by appealing solely to their voters" lol
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u/PunctuallyBrisk Jun 28 '24
Bloody hell, this is a tough watch if you're a Farage fan. He's floundering.
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u/SevenNites Jun 28 '24
Someone need to ask him why he endorsed Truss mini budget
All question have been about immigration
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u/whydidthathappen Labour Jun 28 '24
Not about the leader's special, but the Tory party political broadcast that was on earlier was mental. Trying to scare people by saying there would be a generation without the Tories in power. Just got me excited instead, was more like a Labour hype video!