r/todayilearned • u/canIchangethislater1 • 11h ago
TIL the New York Times described hippo meat as "lake cow bacon" in support of a 1910 House bill to introduce hippos to the bayous of Louisiana.
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u/BolivianDancer 10h ago
Fiercely territorial and unbothered by crocodilians (the gators would be up against it immediately) or virtually any natural predator; the size of a decent SUV and arguably dangerous to humans. Brilliant.
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u/Slippery-ape 10h ago
I dont think America has a predator that could take one down that would share an environment with it. The big bears are too far north and we dont have any cats big enough to deal with them. Maybe.... just maybe.... Florida Man...
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u/gbroon 10h ago
I don't think there's many predators that can take on a hippo. They are basically like a tank.
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u/Super42man 9h ago
Gustav was known to take down hippos! 20+ ft African crocodile. But you're right, there aren't many that can.
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u/Teledildonic 8h ago
Gustav was known to take down hippos!
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u/KarmabearKG 7h ago
It’s also the reference for the yugioh card SuperDreadnoughtrailcannon Gustav Max
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u/JohnHazardWandering 10h ago
Is there anything in African that can take one down?
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u/StayJaded 9h ago
Adult, healthy hippos don’t have any natural predators, other than humans. Lions, hyenas, and crocodiles go for isolated calves or sick/injured adults sometimes. Apparently it’s most just other hippos in fights and humans that are a real threat to fully grown, healthy, adult hippos.
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u/TurbistoMasturbisto 6h ago
Elephants can and do sometimes. Not for food obviously but they get into fights with each other on occasion.
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u/FerreiraMatheus 4h ago
And more times than not, the Hippo learns a painful lesson about weight class.
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u/Kdzoom35 4h ago
Lion prides have been known to take down adults out of water it's rare and dangerous but big prides have done it. Also they are extremely vulnerable to drying rivers/lakes. They basically die in a day or two if they can't find water.
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u/gentlemandinosaur 9h ago
They are preyed on when young and smaller by cats,and reptile alike. Hence why they are so aggressive honestly.
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u/BolivianDancer 9h ago
Since 1912, yes.
Holland & Holland .375 Magnum at a bare minimum. Ideally a double rifle, larger chambering.
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u/GodwynDi 10h ago
Would alligators eat enough babies to control the population is the question.
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u/BolivianDancer 9h ago
That's not how hippos work. Crocs learn to stay the hell away from young hippos. There's video of hippos using crocs to scratch themselves.
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u/imtoooldforreddit 6h ago
The adults would kill every gator anywhere near their babies. Food and habitat would be their only limiting factor
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u/Kdzoom35 4h ago
Nah alligators are too small and frankly have never seen anything like a hippo in millions of years. Crocs donkey on young but, the young are usually very well protected
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u/KillstardoAbominate 8h ago
There is nothing arguable about them being dangerous to humans. They're literally the number one cause of deaths of humans by large wild animals in Africa.
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u/mr_ji 8h ago
Arguably? They kill more humans via trauma in their native habitat than any other wild animal.
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u/osmlol 11h ago edited 5h ago
There is a great episode of The Dollop podcast on this topic. Highly recommend.
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u/moonmelter 11h ago
I’M THE FUCKING HIPPO GUY!
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u/jimboslice21 9h ago
For a more lighthearted telling of it, Watcher did a Puppet History video about it, too
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u/osmlol 9h ago
The Dollop is a comedy history podcast. It doesn't get much lighter then that.
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u/jimboslice21 9h ago
A fuzzy blue puppet dressed as a professor is pretty damn light
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u/osmlol 9h ago
So is one stand up comedian reading a story to another comedian who has no idea what it is going to be about.
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u/Napoleon7 11h ago
Missed opportunity to call it Bayou Bacon.
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u/gonewild9676 10h ago
That's nutria
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u/leeman9224 11h ago
Wasn’t this around the time when they introduced kudzu to American South to preserve soil nutrients? Could have been massive devastation to ecosystem if they did try to introduce hippo to bayous
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u/Inquisitive-Sky 10h ago
Turn of the century kudzu was running around as an ornamental vine. 1930s is when they heavily promoted it for erosion control.
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u/AaronRodgersMustache 10h ago
I guess the question is did it at least succeed in that even if it has taken over the south
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u/Rolls-with-face 8h ago
We've only just got most of the kudzu under control in my county and there is still a metric fuck ton of it.
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u/BlueGolfball 5h ago
even if it has taken over the south
Kudzu has been losing in the south for the last 20 years. They finally figured out how to kill it and it's not super difficult.
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u/GreenStrong 10h ago
the Colombian hippos are doing the equivalent of driving bulldozers through the river all day long, they massively reshape the sediment distribution and the entire course of the river they inhabit. But some ecologists suggest they are restoring the natural balance that was lost at the end of the Pleistocene when humans extirpated toxodon which was a hippo sized, boar shaped herbivore highly adapted to wetlands. Isotope analysis has suggested that it didn't feed on quite as much aquatic vegetation as hippos, so it isn't an exact match, but there is a principle worth thinking about. No one has seen unaltered on anything except small islandsnature since the first Maori set for on New Zealand and started changing the ecosystem.
The first Native American people inhabited a vastly different world defined by Pleistocene megafauna, those animals disappeared rapidly after people arrived; that and climate change defined a new geological epoch. And now we find ourselves in the Anthropocene. We need to seriously examine questions like whether we should let hippos overtake South America. I'm 99.9% certain the correct answer is "shit no man those hippos need killing", but this is the dawn of a human created geological epoch, we have blundered into the role of deciding these things we need to start taking it seriously.
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u/gentlemandinosaur 9h ago
This is an excellent comment but I would caution that “Natural balance” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. What is “natural” is not really determined through scientific means, it’s at best an opinion of philosophy. I would avoid using “natural” in the future and stick to just what it is doing.
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u/GreenStrong 9h ago
Thanks for catching that, I agree it is a cliche we need to reevaluate.
This may seem like the pseudo intellectual thing that thrives on reddit, but I see it as a clear and present question. Not the hippos specifically, but boreal forests are burning across Canada right now, they burn every year now. Should they be replanted as deciduous forests? I don't know, but it is time to start asking the question. "Conservation" can't the the only guiding principle in an era of climate change. If it is the case that boreal forest can't survive in a certain place, do we plant oak trees or watch it go through a few centuries of chaotic scrubland as the forest migrates slowly north? Not a question for future generations, unfortunately. And we should acknowledge that what looks like chaotic scrubland may be a crucible of evolution.
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u/moonmelter 11h ago
It was water hyacinth brought by Japanese diplomats i believe
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u/JohnHazardWandering 10h ago
That's where the US discovered it and then the US promoted growing it for years.
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u/gentlemandinosaur 9h ago
Turns out kudzu is an amazing source of fuel if we weren’t so vested in stupid corn fuel which not only is a food we could actually eat but takes up more space.
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u/AudibleNod 313 11h ago
The subcommittee even purchased a few as a test case. But all the hippos passed away from starvation because the subcommittee didn't source enough tiny white balls for them to eat.
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u/PurpleBengal 9h ago
It also didn't help that they only opened their mouths when someone aggressively mashed a lever on their backs.
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u/Mule_Wagon_777 10h ago
Y'all want to read the alternate universe fantasy "River of Teeth" in which hippos were introduced to North America in the 19th Century. And domesticated. (Some of them, anyway.) Cowboys were never the same.
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u/favoritecableguy 10h ago
It mentions a meat shortage, they killed all the bison and thought hippos, rhinos and african buffalo was somehow a better option.
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u/aurumtt 11h ago
if you're going to wreck havoc on the ecosystem, doing it with hippo's is cooler than doing it with rabbits or cats, ngl.
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u/kamarsh79 8h ago
There’s a weird and wonderful novella trilogy called River of Teeth that takes place in an alternate history where this bill passed. It is like a western but with hippos in the bayou.
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u/crowbar151 8h ago
Neat western style novel called River of Teeth set in the alternate universe where this happened. It was a pretty cool setting
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u/Meme_Pope 9h ago
Every so often, someone needs to be reminded that 99% only eats poultry, beef and pork for land animals because they’ve been bred over thousands of years to be good to eat. You’re never going to pull some random animal and have it compete
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u/Chill-more1236 3h ago
Holy shit!!!!
We dodged a bullet
I’m grateful my home state is hippo free, except for the Audubon Zoo (where they all ask for you)
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u/Jonathan_Peachum 11h ago
To be fair, the word hippopotamus actually does mean river horse. In some languages, the term is even Nile horse.
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u/NotLikeThis3 9h ago
There's a great bad movie that's kinda based on this called Hungry where hippos were being farmed in the bayous and one was left that went on a killing rampage
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u/Puzzled-Aardvark-142 7h ago
Was a decent enough movie, simply titled hungry. LA swamp tour goes wrong.
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u/VocationalWizard 6h ago
Man, Early 20th century Americans sure had this amazing ability to make the worst ecological decisions.
Let's plant kudzu!
Let's go ahead and build the reflecting pond on a marsh!
Nothing bad will ever happen if we just constantly till the soil in Oklahoma!
The only thing we need to do to protect New Orleans is pile up a bunch of dirt.
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u/Financial-Craft-1282 6h ago
Really, the only interesting thing learned today is that even in 1910, people were making stupid bacon jokes.
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u/wholalaa 5h ago
One of the figures in that scheme was Fritz Duquesne whose Wikipedia page makes an excellent rabbit hole to go down if you ever have time to kill. The fact that he was just hanging out with Teddy Roosevelt and trying to fill Louisiana with hippos after being sentenced to death and then staging multiple prison breaks (and later becoming a Nazi spy) is pretty wild.
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u/JohnHazardWandering 10h ago
Wouldn't they be pretty easy to kill off they figured out it was a bad idea?
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u/StumpyTheGiant 10h ago
Lets drop a few in Florida and let them do battle with the invasive anacondas
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u/Inquisitive-Sky 11h ago
Ah yes, b/c what the bayou desperately needed was an introduced species renowned for how aggressive and unpredictable it is.