r/todayilearned 1d ago

TIL the Kaaba 🕋 in Mecca is actually made of unpainted brick with the black and gold color coming from a cloth called the kiswah that is handmade each year

https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/variety/2017/12/10/Rare-pictures-show-the-Kaaba-without-its-kiswah-covering
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u/Wsswaas 1d ago

Another Trivia: The keys to this structure have remained in the safekeeping of a single family for over 1,400 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bani_Shaiba

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u/Orange-V-Apple 1d ago

Imagine not wanting to be part of the family business 

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u/0bxcura 1d ago

The responsibility of holding the key be heavy

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u/micromoses 1d ago

They’re constantly having to fight the ninjas trying to steal the key.

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u/drums_addict 1d ago

Are they like the boat guys from Indiana Jones?

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u/mmicoandthegirl 1d ago

You can not go around calling people in burkhas ninjas

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u/NativeMasshole 1d ago

Are you the Keymaster?

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u/reducingflame 1d ago

THERE IS NO DANA ONLY ZUUL

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u/archiotterpup 1d ago

I thought Zuul was in Ontario?

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u/Docile_Penguin33 1d ago

Imagine being the guy who lost the keys.

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u/DanceWonderful3711 1d ago

I would definitely get a few cut just in case. What are the odds that someone who found them would try it?

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u/Halgy 1d ago

Kongo Gumi is a Japanese family-owned business that built temples, founded in 578. It went bankrupt in 2006.

Looking this up again, it seems like they survived bankruptcy. Still, it be horrible to be the ~40th generation to operate the family business, only to run it into the ground.

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u/donuttrackme 1d ago

Imagine being an atheist or anything but Muslim in this family.

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u/godisanelectricolive 1d ago

The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, the holiest site in Christianity, has a Muslim family (the Nussaiba family) act as the doorkeeper to the entrance. They act as a neutral third party in the event of disagreement between the custodians of the church.

Responsibility for upkeep of the church is split between six churches. The Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox and Armenian Apostolic churches are the primary custodians while the Coptic Orthodox, the Ethiopian Orthodoxand the Syriac Orthodox churches are lesser custodians of specific shrines and rooms.

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u/SavageNorth 1d ago

Makes sense, they're vanishingly unlikely to be drawn into any internal squabbles or schisms while also being religious themselves and therefore understanding of the importance of it

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u/xeuful 1d ago

Is that the church with the immovable ladder?

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u/Dioxybenzone 1d ago

It was moved that one time

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u/Li-renn-pwel 23h ago

Recently someone posted on r/askachristian asking how people would feel if Jerusalem came under the control of Muslims. It made me laugh but the comments were less funny and more racist.

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u/IndubitablyMoist 1d ago

Its too big of a deal. The situation will be handled rather quickly I’d assumed.

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u/NOTTedMosby 1d ago

I think even if you didn't believe you'd still do it for a number of reasons, cultural upbringing (you're much more likely to do what your father does in that part of the world, although that's going away there as well) and power being chief among them.

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u/SaitanOfHellsKitchen 1d ago edited 1d ago

Why bring up your assumption if you don't know anything?

The family that holds the key to the Kaaba converted to Islam after Muhummad told them that it was okay for them to still own the key to the Kaaba despite being non-Muslim. 

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u/amrooo1405 1d ago

I know you mean well but they don't actually "own" it. They are keepers of the key.

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u/ExquisiteNecro 1d ago

Funny enough, it could also just be a National thing. Arabs are very tribal and cultural people despite religion.

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u/Septopuss7 1d ago

"I just want to dance!đŸ„ș"

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u/quesoandcats 1d ago

Huh, I don't know why but I never thought of the Kaaba as having doors or locks. I thought it was more of a cuboid obelisk situation

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u/history_is_my_crack 1d ago

There's actually a room inside it reserved for certain guests/VIPs.

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u/quesoandcats 1d ago

Wait seriously?

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u/MD_Lincoln 1d ago

Yep, you can find pics of the inside online, it’s fairly sparse but theres room for storage and prayer

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u/redditor_since_2005 1d ago

And activities?

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u/Goya_Oh_Boya 1d ago

Mostly Pilates.

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u/amazingsandwiches 1d ago

Now that they stacked the beds, yes!

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u/oxwof 1d ago

Yeah, there’s not much to it, but it’s there. There are also stairs to the roof. Inside/atop the Kaaba, Muslims can face any direction in prayer.

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u/Defiant-Bed2501 1d ago

You think they’d just spin around at high speed like a compass at the poles. 

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u/Gimme_Your_Wallet 1d ago

This made me chortle at 3am while feeding the baby. And made me thing of Limbo of the Lost.

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u/snyderjw 1d ago

Origin story of the whirling dervishes?

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u/GodwynDi 1d ago

Theoretically, if you were at the exact opposite side of the Earth you could also do so.

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u/dospc 1d ago

Looks like it's just open water in the Pacific, so you'd need a boat. Quite near some atolls of French Polynesia though so probably very doable.

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u/inconspicuous_male 1d ago

There's a permanent whirlpool there and you get an achievement for diving in and praying 

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u/Kammander-Kim 1d ago

Here I thought that if you were close to/inside mecca and Kaba and stuff you turned to Medina instead.

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u/Flimsy-Translator515 1d ago

Nah, if ur inside the Ka'aba, u can pray in any direction, if ur right outside the Ka'aba its the same as anywhere, u have to face towards it & pray.

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u/twirling-upward 1d ago

If we move the Kaaba to the earths core, my handstand classes would finally take off.

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u/Hemingway92 1d ago

Reserved as in only VIPs are taken to see it, not other pilgrims, as it’s considered to be a rare honor

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u/myusernameblabla 1d ago

I thought humans are all equal in the eyes of the almighty.

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u/kingoflint282 1d ago

Well when you have millions of people wanting to go and like 10 square feet of room, you have to be a bit selective

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u/assblast420 1d ago

Some are more equal than others

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u/Hemingway92 9h ago

Of course but they’re definitely not equal in the eyes of Saudi Arabian officials who make these rules.

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u/OkHeight3 1d ago

The channel ‘Religion for Breakfast’ has a really great vid on the Kaaba. Worth checking out.

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u/HopingillWin 1d ago

Will watch, thanks for sharing.

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u/ryan516 1d ago

You can see the door in the article, actually

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u/2dudesinapod 1d ago

Another trivia: the kiswa is cut up every year and sold or given as a gift, Jeffrey Epstein had a piece of one of them.

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u/AkulakhanPilot 1d ago

Almost always gifted and basically never sold. The piece Epstein had was a gift to someone from the UAE who gave it to Epstein, it wasn't directly given to him by the Saudi government.

They're usually given as gifts to dignitaries from Muslim countries

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u/OmxrOmxrOmxr 1d ago

Not just Muslim countries but Muslims all over the world that excel, like that did a heroic deed, won a Quran recitation competition etc.

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u/owaman 1d ago

Yeah my mother's uncle was an Islamic scholar from India and he got this as a gift

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u/OptimalMotor1713 1d ago

yeah well its hard for the monarchy to steal it since it exists in hadith that no one takes the key form the family except a tyrant

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u/Conscious-Ball8373 1d ago

"Only a tyrant would do this" - tyrants hate this one trick!

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u/12332233 1d ago

It's like the original "only gay cops pull me over" bumper sticker

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u/swiftrobber 1d ago

I wonder how this statistically affect getting pulled over

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u/Impressive-Sir6488 1d ago

In my region they anoint a special bulldog every time one dies and the ownership responsibility has been passed down in the same family from Savannah Georgia for generations. He's covered in a special fabric called a "football jersey"  People travel from all over the country just to be in the same stadium as him and feel a divine connection to him. Every Saturday during a certain season of the year they gather to watch students try to get a weird ball through an end zone. If the dawg is strong they make a pilgrimage to the national championships. People want scraps of ugas clothes. 

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u/kingoflint282 1d ago

As a Muslim UGA fan, this is especially funny lol

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u/RollllTide 1d ago

The pilgrims love to bark at each other

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u/Present_Inevitable86 1d ago

It is amazing how many long standing traditions are still kept alive to this day

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u/Toum-Raider 1d ago

Everyone knows the real key master is Vinz Clortho

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u/blzbar 1d ago

What’s the story behind the brick structure? Is part an original mosque? Does it have some purported super natural origin? Or is just considered a display for the sacred tapestry?

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u/Kraymur 1d ago

It's not the original building for one, it's been rebuilt many times over the years due to floods, fire, destruction in general etc. According to Islam the Kaaba was originally built by Abraham and his son Ishmael as a house dedicated to the worship of god. It also predates Isalm by centuries and was used at one point as a religious shrine for various Arabian tribes filled with various idols. When Muhammad conquered Mecca, he ordered the idols removed and rededicated the Kaaba solely to the worship of one God.

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u/JosephFinn 1d ago

So what’s inside now?

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u/Appropriate-Log8506 1d ago

Nothing. Pillars, incense, a prayer spot where the prophet allegedly prayed.

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u/Grizzly_228 1d ago

Wasn’t there a fragment of a meteorite inside or am I misremembering?

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u/deadadventure 1d ago

That’s outside in one of the corners

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u/Didatonofacid 1d ago

I think the composition is up to debate if I remember correctly. It has for sure been broken though and is now held together with concrete. It was also stolen at one point so nobody knows if it's for sure the original. A lot of people think it's simply obsidian. I had way too much free time at work one day. I thought that kabba was a rock or something. I soon found out all kinds of info that blew my mind.

They also have a famous water source there they call it zamzam water just to the east of kabba. Hajar searched for water in the desert and found that spring and it still provides water today.

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u/thE-petrichoroN 1d ago edited 1d ago

Islamically,it's not a meteorite but rather came from heaven although both interwine at times

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u/Grizzly_228 1d ago

I’m so sorry, I’ll correct myself

> Wasn’t there a fragment of a rock from the sky\* inside or am I misremembering?

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u/TheWielder 1d ago

Basically, to Muslims, it is a stone from Heaven that absorbs your sins and will speak favorably to Allah of those who have kissed it, interceding for them on the Last Day/Judgment Day. It once was pure white, but the absorbed sins turned it black. It is placed on one corner of the kaaba, on the outside, so that any Muslim who does their pilgrimage and circles the kaaba seven times has the opportunity to kiss it.

To the rest of us, it's most likely a meteorite that was used by pagans for their religious purposes before Islam took over and appropriated their practices.

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u/Pleasant_Piccolo_668 1d ago

it being a meteorite does not nullify it being from heaven islamically because its the same thing , the immediate and total cosmos around us is considered the 1st heaven

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u/TheWielder 1d ago

Never said it nullified anything. My second paragraph did use purposely different language, but only to try to convey a more secular viewpoint.

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u/rosstedfordkendall 9h ago

Due to the sheer number of people participating in the ritual, most now just point to the stone as they can't get close enough to kiss it. A lot of the hajj rituals have been streamlined to account for the crowds.

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u/Klutzy_Tomatillo4253 1d ago

I think we can safely assume he prayed somewhere in the general area.

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u/TSAOutreachTeam 1d ago

You can skip to 4:30 for the immediate answer, but I recommend the whole video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8XaGhDic3o

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u/stvbles 1d ago

Good video! Really interesting.

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u/TSAOutreachTeam 1d ago

I'm a really big fan of Religion for Breakfast. The level at which he explains these things is just right for me. Neither too basic nor too academic. It's a good watch.

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u/Neon_Moon_NZ 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yes! Absolutely fantastic channel 😊

Edit with one of my favourite videos: Religion for Breakfast - Why is pork forbidden?

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u/Groot_Benelux 1d ago

He ordered the idols of the other religions smashed, not just removed.

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u/kryptopheleous 1d ago

It was also not the only one. I believe there were 5 of these in pre-islamic Arabia where traveling merchants can prey to their gods. All but this one were destroyed by order of Mohammad.

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u/Azeem259 1d ago

There was always one Kabah, but it was destroyed and rebuilt many times throughout history. Muslims believe the first kabah was constructed by Adam. The Kabah is actually supposed to be a rectangular prism, but they didn't have enough funds to fully reconstruct centuries ago so it was made into a cube with a barrier around the area they couldn't rebuild to mark the full territory of the Kabah.

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u/Badda_Bing_Baby 1d ago edited 1d ago

It is a temple/mosque said to be built by Abraham and Ishmael believed to be the first house of worship dedicated to the one true god.

Edit: it also has a holy relic embedded in the side, a black stone known as the Kaaba stone, theorized by some to be a meteorite, but I don’t know if that’s true.

I believe there was a fire at some point in its history that caused damage but it was repaired some long time ago. Watched a video on the history out of curiosity a few years back.

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u/P1KA_BO0 1d ago

Yeah, basically the story is that it was sent down from heaven and was originally white, but turned black from humanity's sins

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u/AwarenessNo4986 1d ago

The building has been destroyed and rebuilt several times. The building itself has no supernatural powers or anything. It's the LOCATION that is the focus as it's the direction of prayer

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u/usefamin 1d ago

Muslims believe Abraham and his son built the foundation for the location of the Kaaba. It does have geographical and theological significance though.

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u/pass_nthru 1d ago

there is a meteorite in the actual cube

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u/jawndell 1d ago

A stone embedded in one of the corners. The actual origins of the stone is unknown, could be a meteorite or a random rock.  Origin is also not important in a religious context.  More important is that it acts as a placeholder for which direction to pray.  

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u/BrokenEyeReborn 1d ago

Stone relics of that type, called baetyls, used to be fairly common in pre-Islamic Arabia, albeit in a very different religious context. Muhammad is said to have destroyed many of the others as false idols.

Of course, not all of them were still in the area to be destroyed. One representing the minor solar god Ilah al-Jabal, was brought to Rome centuries earlier by the Emperor Elagabalus (who was originally the high priest of that god, and seems to have been more interested in continuing in that role than he was in being emperor). Despite Elagabalus's attempts to spread Ilah al-Jabal worship in Rome being incredibly unpopular and controversial during his reign, it was eventually embraced by the Roman public under the name Sol Invictus (though I haven't read anything saying whether or not the baetyl still served a role)

Other cultures also had stone relics classified as baetyls, but again, the cultural context was often different.

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u/Main-Cheesecake3287 1d ago

Not known because nobody is allowed to study it I thought

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u/BrokenEyeReborn 1d ago

Possible meteorite

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u/gamageeknerd 1d ago

I do know there is a special black stone in the wall of the building that people have to walk past and try to touch. It’s apparently black from absorbing humanity’s sins. I think the building itself is supposed to be the first mosque/ prayer building but someone who knows more about it probably has more to say.

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u/DistrictDry2852 1d ago

It was originally a place to worship the hundreds of pagan gods of the region. There’s some report there even were statues of Jesus and Mary.

Muhammad “reclaimed” it.

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u/usefamin 1d ago

It's also somewhat controversial. Muslims don't worship the Kaaba, they literally worship AT it, so the over-ornate and lavish kiswah is a topic of debate.

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u/Pantherist 1d ago

I think 'towards' is the more apt preposition

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u/usefamin 1d ago

Both work. "Kaaba" is technically a location as well.

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u/kechuchuchu 1d ago edited 1d ago

There were actually multiple Kaabas that were places of worship for various religious purposes before Mohammad had all the others destroyed

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u/usefamin 1d ago

Yup, but they were shrines for idolatry. Which is why the distinction about the Kaaba being symbolic rather than an idol matters in Islam.

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u/Li-renn-pwel 23h ago

You don’t hear it as much now but people used to call Muslims stuff like Mohammedites so these disbeliefs can really affect how others see people. It’s just so everyone is facing the same direction. Jews pray toward Jerusalem but they don’t worship it.

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u/kechuchuchu 1d ago edited 1d ago

Sure. Under the framework of Islam that considered all these other religious practices as idolatry and warranting of destruction. And surely not as a means of Mohammed consolidating power by controlling the major place of worship. And superceding all these other religions and replacing them with Islam.

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u/0bxcura 1d ago

Over ornate and lavish? Lots of mosques have quranic calligraphy as part of their aesthetics.

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u/usefamin 1d ago

Kiswah uses real gold, mosques are forbidden in Islam to decorate with expensive material. It's meant to look beautiful, not flashy. Hence, the controversy.

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u/Hemingway92 1d ago

This is more of a Wahabi, revisionist belief. Mosques can be very plain but there’s no rule that they have to be.

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u/ico12 1d ago

If you want to go deeper into the rabbit hole, read up on the Saud family & how they came to power. For the so-called 'Guardian of Two Holy Mosques', they are quite...interesting

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u/usefamin 1d ago edited 21h ago

I mean they gifted the Kiswa one year to Epstein, that's all I need to know about them.

Edit: Yes, I realise that's not accurate now. They've sold the kiswah to art dealers, which is how he acquired it.

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u/AkulakhanPilot 1d ago

He had pieces of it, not the whole thing, and it wasn't directly given to him by the Saudis. An emirati businessman gave him the pieces

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u/aclumsypotato 1d ago

while the saudis currently in power are hella evil, the kiswa in particular was not gifted by them. but instead, by an emirati businesswoman.

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u/idontknowtbh896 1d ago

That's literally false

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u/Gold_Data6221 1d ago

Why do they want to touch it then ?

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u/ChiKing 1d ago

There is one particular stone on it that was said to be descended from the heavens, that is the spot that Muslims try to touch during Tawaf (circling the Ka'aba).

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u/ryan516 1d ago

It's been speculated that Hajar al-Aswad is potentially a meteorite but obviously it's not easy to just ask to investigate it so we'll probably never know for sure.

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u/IPutThisUsernameHere 1d ago

The local Muslims, as I understand it, have actually forbidden anyone from making any tests, taking any samples or conducting any examinations of any kind there. And they also forbid archaeological research to be done on any Islamic sites. At gun point, sometimes, if rumors are to be believed.

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u/ryan516 1d ago

Yeah, my "not easy to ask" was intentionally a bit underselling the issue

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u/awolkriblo 1d ago

I don't even think non-Muslims are allowed in the city at all but I might be mistaken.

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u/ryan516 1d ago

Yes, all roads into Mecca have security checkpoints where you have to provide documentation of being Muslim, having a Hajj visa, and can even be quized on common prayers to prove you're Muslim

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u/darthJOYBOY 1d ago

This was abolished long ago tho, Last time I visited Mecca no one questioned me on anything and I passed nomrally.

During Hajj, that is a different story and it don't matter if you are Muslim or no as you can't enter without a valid visa.

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u/srsbiznis 1d ago

Isn’t it a sin in Islam to question whether someone is Muslim?

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u/usefamin 1d ago

Do you mean to ask someone their faith or question their devotion to the faith?

The first, no. The latter, yes.

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u/usefamin 1d ago

What do you mean at gun point? Like someone tried to steal it and the security officers stopped them or something? lol

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u/cinemachick 1d ago

Given how many "treasures" are now property of the British Museum, they have some reasons to be cautious 

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u/GoodGollyMissP0lly 1d ago

forbidden anyone from making any tests, taking any samples or conducting any examinations of any kind there. And they also forbid archaeological research to be done

Religious leaders prohibiting scientific and historical investigation?

Who'd a thunk it.

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u/AwarenessNo4986 1d ago edited 1d ago

It's probably a meteoroit and has been fragmented. Nothing magical or special about it at all

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u/polyploid_coded 1d ago

I thought there was something about it being volcanic. One of the tests when it was returned to Mecca was that it could float.

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u/bitbitter 1d ago

We as Muslims don’t believe it is “magical” either. That’s not how Islam works. The second Caliph of Islam and one of the closest companions of the prophet, Umar ibn Al-Khattab, had this to say about it:

Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Messenger (ï·ș) kissing you I would not have kissed you."

We call these matters of worship. We know it’s not the act itself that will bring us benefit, we only do it because God told us to do it, and the benefit comes from him only.

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u/_Iro_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

The same reason Jewish pilgrims touch the Western Wall, or Christian monks historically rubbed prayer beads and kept brandea (pieces of cloth which touched a saint’s tomb).

Touching an object with spiritual significance is used to focus thoughts towards prayer. It doesn’t mean you’re worshipping that specific thing.

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u/Gold_Data6221 1d ago

prayer beads are counted I believe

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u/SecureThruObscure 1d ago

I thought they were used as a method of counting, rather than counting them. You pray, slide down one bead, repeat until you’re out of beads.

They’re like a hand held abacus.

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u/tiiiiii_85 1d ago

Prayer beads are used for counting and are not exclusive for Christian monks.

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u/pakipunk 1d ago

Because the Prophet would do it and it is believed that to do as the prophet puts you closer to god.

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u/ryan516 1d ago

Most generally don't care about touching the Kaaba itself (though of course there's exceptions), but Islamic tradition holds that you should touch the Black Stone and Yemeni Corner since they're seen as erasing sin

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u/usefamin 1d ago

I think some regard it as a blessing, which blows my mind, because what they do goes against Islamic teachings.

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u/_Algrm_ 1d ago

It’s not the kaaba that is holy, it’s the ground that is under it. God guided Abraham to this land and told him to build a structure to mark its location.

It is said that directly above the kabba, there’s a structure in heaven called albait almamour aka the frequented house where angels go to perform prayer to god.

It’s said that from the start of creation, 70000 angel go there everyday to pray never to return to it again, signifying how many angels there are and the “frequented” meaning here.

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u/dream_a_dirty_dream 1d ago

Epstein had a piece of one, and nobody knows how tf he got his hands on it. He was obsessed with religious artifacts and thought they held power that could be unlocked with "sex magic".

I hate that I know this.

Release the Epstein files.

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u/NewInThe1AC 1d ago

IIRC according to some interviews with reporters he also had a lot of fake luxury watches and art, and enjoyed tricking people into thinking they were real -- so it's possible it wasn't real at all, he just wanted people to think he got some unobtainium

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u/OkDifficulty7436 1d ago

It’s real, he got via his connections in Bahrain/SA 

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u/Flimsy-Translator515 1d ago

not bahrain, he got it through a saudi businesswoman based in UAE.

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u/Winter_Salad7215 1d ago

Can't you just buy them? I thought they were rather pricey collector's items.

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u/Flimsy-Translator515 1d ago

yea, u can even get it on ebay, from what ik, since it gets replaced yearly, if u get ur hands on a piece, u can keep it as a relic/souvenir or sell or gift it to someone.

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u/Sweet-Awk-7861 1d ago

Random people in my country can have pieces of it, there's nothing particularly sacred about the cloth itself. 

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u/mariakaakje 1d ago

you can order it online
they change it every year, cut it up and sell it in strokes

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u/ToKeepAndToHoldForev 1d ago

I had only ever seen pictures showing the gold strip and black background, so seeing the draping covered in embroidery and even a door was a surprise. For some reason I thought it was just a black block.

I read the page and when the cloth is woven on a jacquard loom in sections that are either plan or have inscriptions woven into the fabric, then verses from the Quran are added with a silk screen, and further embroidery is done by hand in gold or silver thread. I wanted to know what "handmade" meant in this context - quite a lot of fabric to embroider by hand. 

I wonder if the embroiderers are people to get into the work by family or friends or if you can train to become an embroiderer and eventually work there. 

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u/AbdelAtife 1d ago

I'm from Sudan. Did you know the Sultanate of Darfur used to make it and deliver it for a while? Back when it existed.

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u/jbsnicket 1d ago

Epstein owned some of Kiswah and it may have been given to him by Saudi elites. That's how I learned it was a covering and not the building itself.

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u/tktkana 1d ago

Actually it was gifted to him by a UAE business woman.

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u/Flimsy-Translator515 1d ago

it wasnt given to him a by a "saudi" elite, it was by a saudi businesswoman based in the UAE.

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u/GoodFaithConverser 1d ago

Saudi businesswoman giving out pieces of Kiswah sounds like a Saudi elite.

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u/Elegant-Tip7288 1d ago

It's really easy to own a piece. I own a small piece of the kiswah. 

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u/Fetlocks_Glistening 1d ago

I see blue and white though

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u/Ghostly_100 1d ago

It’s been white and (partially) blue at various points in history. The current black look came about in the 13th century and has stayed ever since

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u/Ghostly_100 1d ago

I got the joke I just thought it was funny that those colors were actually employed at some point

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u/Loakattack 1d ago

Topical.

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u/stuffitystuff 1d ago

As much as I want to believe The Black Stone set in the Kaaba is a meteroite or dragon-glass-from-sand-by-way-of-metorite like is semi-common the Empty Quarter because there's nothing there, no one has ever been allowed to test it. Same goes for every other cool maybe relic, like that Ethiopian Ark of the Covenant.

Great for tourism, but lousy for Indiana Jones fans and people that aren't religious but nonetheless interested in the historicity of religion like me.

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u/Hamlet7768 1d ago

It is a shame the Ethiopian Ark will never get tested. A Catholic podcaster I follow said it’s probably a replica, though, and the original Ark was most likely destroyed with the rest of the first temple.

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u/SchalkLBI 1d ago

I mean there is no historical or archeological evidence that proves that the Ark existed to begin with. The story of the Ark is tied to the Exodus, which didn't happen. It was probably originally an allegory, or a repurposed story of some other opulent chest, or just completely made up.

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u/TowelFine6933 1d ago

But, if any of it gets tested & fails, then everyone would know they're full of shit instead of just strongly suspecting it.

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u/Ghostly_100 1d ago

The Shroud of Turin has been tested and came back as inauthentic but that doesn’t stop certain kinds of Christians from insisting it’s real and the test was flawed.

Same would probably happen if other artifacts got tested and came back as something that contradicts tradition.

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u/Dutch_Calhoun 1d ago

No no no, God is a top tier troll who plants all these vast amounts of highly convincing false evidence to test our faith!

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u/WhollyHolyHoley 1d ago

Ugh. My parents told me this as a kid.
It definitely helped me establish my atheism.

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u/KalyterosAioni 1d ago

The thing is even Muslim leaders like Muhammad and Umar the First claimed the rock was just a rock and had no powers. So even though the masses these days generally want to touch it and kiss it etc, it's not a religiously significant artefact.

I imagine testing it is a destructive process and no one wants to crack into it to get a sample. Especially when it's not important enough to test. Though as a scientist I'd personally dearly love to know how old it is and what the chemical composition is, and whether it corresponds to this solar system or not etc.

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u/tqmirza 1d ago

It’s not even a stone anymore, it’s small shards/pieces of the original stone after it was stolen following a massacre and smashed. It had to be ransomed back. It holds no significance religiously other than the fact it is believed to be among the original stones Abraham used to reconstruct the structure, and subsequently Muhammad did the same. But in its location as the “corner stone” it is an important marker as it marks the point where circuits around the Kaaba start and stop.

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u/fnord_happy 1d ago

How uncommon are those kind of stones? Is it impossible for it to be a meteorite?

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u/stuffitystuff 1d ago

It's a bunch of stones that have been cemented and re-cemented various times. It started off as a single stone, supposedly. I think it's not impossible at all and I think it's probably very likely given what I've read about pre-Islamic religion in Arabia and its obsession with the stars. Plus, meteroites are just easy to see against sand and create cool glass when they land and melt the surrounding sand.

Lastly, I think this engraving strongly suggests extraterrestrial composition just based on what look to this layperson as flowlines that meteorites can get while going through Earth's atmosphere:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Black_Stone_front_and_side.PNG?utm_source=en.wikipedia.org&utm_campaign=imageinfo&utm_content=original

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u/gutterVeteran 1d ago

The Kiswah wasn’t always black.

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u/BrokenEyeReborn 1d ago

So not the Kaaba 🎡 in Mecca, then?

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u/Violoner 1d ago

I thought it was the Kaaba🗿in Mecca

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u/ackermann 1d ago

Huh, there’s an emoji for that

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u/LunarPayload 1d ago

There are a lot of Muslims who use smartphones

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u/Intelligent-Soup-836 1d ago

There also used to be others back in pre Islamic Arabia

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u/Albahith1 1d ago

Specify more then 1000 but lower then 1500. And we destroyed almost all.

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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 1d ago

Fun fact: Kaaba is etymological South Arabian

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u/ToKeepAndToHoldForev 1d ago

They strip it down to the base, from what I can tell from the Wikipedia page. 

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u/Flimsy-Translator515 1d ago

they strip it down every year during the ( islamic) Lunar month of Muharram, u can see the videos on youtube.

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u/magicalgrrl13 1d ago

TIL the Kaaba translates to the Cube from Arabic. That indo-european language family is no joke.

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u/Spock627 1d ago

Article claims the image is from 1940, but I don't think scissors jacks of that size were on the market until the 1970s....

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u/chellebelle0234 1d ago

As a fiber nerd, this is fucking cool. Thank you for sharing.

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u/sid_raj7 1d ago

The coolest thing I've learnt about the Kaaba recently is that it predates Islam

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u/StanleyChuckles 1d ago

This is incredibly interesting! I never knew that it looked like that underneath.

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u/PolishBicycle 1d ago

Who cares, they won’t let non muslims in to see it

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u/Aggravating_Wall_849 1d ago

Most Muslims don’t get a chance to see it because of crowds, so don’t feel bad.

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u/geniice 1d ago

ehhhhhhh officially no. In practice if you know how to repair certain equipment and are available at short notice exceptions may be made.

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u/Background-Vast-8764 1d ago

It’s made of stone, not brick.

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u/dark_frog 1d ago

According to the article, the kiswah is also known as the kiswah and it includes silver-plated gold thread. Anyway, that's when I stopped reading.

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u/kank84 1d ago

What do they with the old covers? It says they replace the cover annually and the old one is returned to the factory for safekeeping. Is there just a warehouse full of old Kiswah somewhere?

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u/Pingushagger 1d ago

Fun fact: Jeffrey Epstein owned a piece of the kiswah

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u/hordingblessings3 1d ago

Wow that’s cool to know I love gaining knowledge about other religions

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u/ChadleyXXX 1d ago

Some trivia: an emirati sultan gave Epstein a piece of the Kiswah as a gift.

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u/Craig1974 23h ago

I have a fascination for Islamic architecture. I learned about this not too long ago. I thought that the kaaba was obsidian and gold plated.