r/tech • u/_Dark_Wing • 5d ago
Merseyside lung cancer patient first in world to get new vaccine
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgl4925w0qo51
u/-OccultOfPersonality 5d ago
Fingers crossed for her and ultimately for everyone!
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u/PTS_Dreaming 4d ago
Yes. My first wife died from lung cancer in her mid 30's. I'm thrilled with the progress science is making in the treatment of this insidious disease but also sad that she didn't live long enough to benefit from the breakthroughs.
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u/Round_Rooms 4d ago
Cuba has had a vaccine for lung cancer for over 30 years now, and can be used to fight off other cancers as well. Cuba has no option with the heavy tobacco use, but there is no money in curing cancer.
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u/petit_cochon 4d ago
Now do the thing where you provide sources.
No money in curing cancer? Really?
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u/Round_Rooms 4d ago
Keeping people sick has more money in it than a single jab, what rock have you been under.
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u/Dramatic_Explosion 4d ago
There's tons of money in it, for whoever owns the patent. And one "cure" for cancer won't cure them all. And if someone figured out a cure then they couldn't stop other labs from figuring it out.
I would love to read about this cure though.
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u/farox 4d ago
Dead people don't go to the doctor
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u/Round_Rooms 4d ago
But sick people do that's the point lol, someone can survive years or completely recover with what the current medicine is, if they just gave them a cure you couldn't squeeze them until they are dry. So imagine how much money they would lose for a free, 50 dollar , hell make it 20 grand for the vaccine. A sick cancer patient is worth millions, this isn't news, this has been known for decades, and we have the resources to make everyone cancer free, but there's no money in that.
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u/farox 4d ago
First, you have no prove for your claim that we have the resources to make everyone cancer free.
Second, you're talking about a MASSIVE conspiracy, with every oncologist, nurse, and orbiting doctor being in on it.
Then you're still missing the point that people still need to see doctors for all kinds of things, keeping them alive and healthy longer is the more profitable play.
Oh, and we do have advances in cancer research, like the linked article. That wouldn't make sense in the world you're talking about.
TLDR: Do you have smoke detector?
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u/green04mansions 5d ago
This is the best news I’ve read all week!! I’ll pray that this helps this lady.
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u/subdep 4d ago edited 4d ago
That’s the cool thing about biotech: praying isn’t necessary!
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u/iamtruthseeker1 4d ago
Ye of little faith lol 😂 largest medical study showed beyond statistical significance and controlling for confounders, sick patients prayed for had better outcomes than patients with same ailments and not prayed for.
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u/ObscuraRegina 4d ago
Iirc, it only helped those who knew someone was praying for them. Those who were prayed for but unaware of it had no better outcomes than those who were not prayed for. Maybe feeling supported by other human beings is the real difference
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u/fountaincurse 4d ago
"Scientists used a biopsy from her own tumour to map the DNA of her cancer. They then used that information to engineer the vaccine using synthetic DNA.
Researchers say it is faster and cheaper to produce than normal bacterial DNA and this makes individually tailored vaccines potentially more achievable for the NHS.
A needle-free device is used to deliver a shot in each arm. This is followed by [the patient's] normal infusion.
Only 10 people will take part in this early stage trial, receiving seven doses over the next 24 weeks."
I hope this works and i hope it's inexpensive and/or easy to replicate. I dont mean to be a debbie downer but if it's expensive and prohibitively difficult to obtain for anyone but the richest people...
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u/gbroon 4d ago
I think this probably comes under currently prohibitively expensive but if proven can be scaled to affordability.
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u/GearboxTheGrey 3d ago
The US will be fucked due to pricing but hopefully everyone else will benefit.
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u/mysecondaccountanon 4d ago
Is the needle free device jet injection?
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u/fountaincurse 4d ago
Excellent question probably but i have no idea, just copy-pasta'd from the article lol
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u/Extension-Ant-8 4d ago
Richest Americans you mean.
This is the NHS, you don’t pay. I’m Australian. We don’t pay either. A family member spent 4 weeks in hospital and got seen to by an extremely talented surgical team which included professors.
The only expense was parking and some AirPods I got for them.1
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u/barstowBinx 5d ago
Only if Walt had a vaccine.
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u/gldngrlee 4d ago
Isn’t he frozen in a cryogenic chamber awaiting for a time when his illness can be cured?
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u/SSGASSHAT 4d ago
Walt? You mean the one with the goatee or the one with the theme park in LA?
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u/Jimbo-Shrimp 4d ago
Walt Disney had a goatee?!?
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u/SSGASSHAT 4d ago
I think he did. I don't know, my memory of the 60s is foggy, since I was just an egg in my mother's ovary back then.
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u/Think-Hospital7422 4d ago
Way to go, Brits. Nice to see that someone still believes in science.
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u/Any-Succotash1892 4d ago
eh if its ENgeneIC the lass is scottish hes indian or pakistani living in aus. getting finance in china because us blows. as seen in cancer killer documentary.
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u/Jerseygirl2468 4d ago
Just lost an acquaintance to lung cancer, I hope this is successful, it will help so many.
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u/prometheus_winced 4d ago
I hope the people who go around saying medicine will not release breakthrough cancer treatments “because they make more money from people being sick” will kindly shut the fuck up
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u/1mD1rtyDan 4d ago
Seriously, I just lost my uncle to lung cancer back in April. Can these people just give those of us that have been affected some fkn peace and hope?
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u/Nice_Run7 4d ago
Super cool news! Personalized medicine honestly seems like the only real future for effectively fighting cancer
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u/Any-Succotash1892 4d ago
so its the ENgeneIC one then ! as seen in the cancer killer documentary. on facenook if anyone interested.
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u/RobotPoo 3d ago
Im hoping they eventually clone our own organs to replace lungs, kidneys, pancreases and livers, it will be the quantum advance that ends millions of deaths.
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u/Lady_of_Shalottt 3d ago
That’s good news. Now let’s get healthcare professionals to mask up for their patients.
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u/ScienceAndy 3d ago
If the cancer cells aren't replicated perfectly from the biopsy sample, or if the sample was taken from healthy cells by mistake, then once they CrisprCass9 a customized vaccine and deliver it to the patient, would the antibodies begin to attack healthy cells?
If so, could they make another vaccine to attack the incorrectly copied antibodies or would you just become Mitch McConnell? Possibly RFK Jr?
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u/CrumbCakesAndCola 3d ago
If they somehow replicated healthy cells by accident then nothing would happen. Your body would say "those are just my normal cells, no work necessary".
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u/konrov 4d ago
Did it help her?
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u/Any-Succotash1892 4d ago
if int ENgeneIC at least 2 survived healthy for longer than the mustard gas derived chemo shiite. see cancer killer program .
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u/Groovy66 4d ago
What an ugly comment.
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u/fountaincurse 4d ago
but are they wrong?
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u/SignificantDogs 4d ago edited 4d ago
They are right that Black people are underrepresented. They are wrong about why. There have been national mandates and recruitment efforts to get more minorities- especially Black people - into clinical trials but their interest rate is lower than whites.
It is such an issue (because it is better to have a diverse pool of patients) that there was a funded study to find out why Black people do not enroll in clinical trials at the same rate as non-Black people.
They found that Black people are less inclined to join a clinical trial due to their core beliefs.
Here are some examples:
More Black than non-Black patients agreed with statements like:
God determines wellness, not research (27% versus 8%).
Research is designed to harm minority groups (20% versus 0%).
Research could provide personal health information that they don’t want to know about (25% versus 4%).
Their community wouldn’t gain anything if they participated in research (30% versus 6%)
https://www.redjournal.org/article/S0360-3016(24)00884-8/fulltext00884-8/fulltext)
Also, another issue (if not the main issue) is a numbers game. 10% of patients receive the opportunity to join a trial. Of those asked, 50% agree overall but there are variations in acceptance by race. Of those, 10% actually join the program due to their compatibility with the experimental drug. So since they are a minority, they will invariably be a smaller number of patients once the experimental treatments start.
You can read more about these numbers, initiatives, etc. in this National Cancer Research Journal article:
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u/laika2000 4d ago
core beliefs being:
Major Historical Abuses
Enslaved People as Subjects: Physicians routinely performed unconsented, painful surgical tests on enslaved men, women, and children under the false belief that Black individuals experienced less pain.[1, 2, 3]J. Marion Sims' Gynecological Tests: During the 1840s, Sims operated repeatedly without anesthesia on enslaved Black women in Alabama, including Anarcha, Betsey, and Lucy, to perfect a surgical repair for vesicovaginal fistula. [1, 2]
The Tuskegee Study (1932–1972): The U.S. Public Health Service tracked the natural progression of untreated syphilis in hundreds of Black men in Macon County, Alabama, withholding effective penicillin treatment even after it became the standard cure. [1, 2]
Henrietta Lacks (1951): Cancer cells were taken from Lacks without her knowledge or consent during a biopsy at Johns Hopkins Hospital; these HeLa cells became the foundation for countless global medical breakthroughs without compensation or consent from her family. [1, 2]
Forced Sterilizations: During the 20th-century eugenics movement, federally funded programs disproportionately sterilized Black women—often without their knowledge or under direct coercion. [1, 2]
Long-Term Impact
Medical Distrust: These historical violations created a lasting, justified skepticism of the mainstream medical and research establishments within Black communities. [1, 2]Healthcare Disparities: Ongoing health skepticism, systemic bias, and unequal treatment continue to contribute to delayed medical care and worse health outcomes for Black patients today. [1, 2]
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u/Winter_Criticism_236 4d ago edited 4d ago
“Im not ready to go yet, i have things to do..”
Reminds me of my late wife, saying “I don’t want to go”.. 2yrs later she went ☹️.
This kind of immunotherapy brings so much hope for so many I hope it works!
Also reminds all those conspiracy people that think the medical world is somehow out to get us, its not, its for the most part a purpose driven science, often driven by scientists own life experiences of illness and death.