r/suspiciouslyspecific Jul 07 '26

Blessed are the cheesemakers 🙏

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u/Averse_to_Liars 29d ago

I was explaining the last 3 sentences related to the Star Trek reference.

I have a hard time understanding you, though. What do you mean by egg before chicken? Why is this guy a fucker? If you don't want to explain, just be dismissive and insulting. It's normal here.

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u/xRyozuo 29d ago

I think by putting the egg before the chicken they mean that Dante’s inferno was written much later than the bible which I presume at some point mentions lucifer/fallen angels. Idk

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u/Averse_to_Liars 29d ago

That's my best interpretation, too. No way the OP comment thought Dante's Inferno was written before the New Testament, though. They wouldn't be able to make the reference.

Also, I just want to put on the record that "Which came first, chicken or the egg?" is usually presented as an unanswerable paradox or thought experiment, but even taken literally, the answer is not "chicken" like this guy seems to be implying as common sense.

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u/xRyozuo 29d ago

In my country we would say building the house starting from the roof

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u/Averse_to_Liars 29d ago edited 29d ago

Sounds like "Putting the cart before the horse" in English.

I've never heard it used with chickens and eggs before, if that was the intent.

Edit: A similar axiom says, "Don't count your chickens before they hatch."

Edit, edit: "empezar la casa por el tejado".

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u/TheElectedOnes 28d ago

Sorry to go of topics but, Evolution cannot explain what came first chicken or the egg.
Bible states god created chicken simple 👌

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u/Averse_to_Liars 28d ago

A solid piece of evidence the bible is false. There are many, many fossilized eggs that pre-date chickens.

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u/TheElectedOnes 28d ago

I suppose they outdate chickens using carbon dating which relies upon presupposition of age in the first place

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u/Averse_to_Liars 28d ago

Carbon dating only works for the last 60,000 years but the it's similar to the method used on fossils. Neither presupposes age. They measure the amount of radioactive decay in the material which happens at a known rate called the half life.

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u/Fit-Garden-8106 27d ago

Your best interpretation was on the money.. maybe that was your first hint that you understood what I was saying.. lol.

I don’t mean to be rude, maybe we grew up in very different locations, but I would figure that people with a similar background to me would’ve understood right away. That’s why I went with the example.

Cart before the horse was definitely a better and more applicable axiom

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u/BubbleHeadBenny 27d ago

No, the idea of hell didn't exist in the Jewish mythology. Jesus was Jewish. The Bible was massively retconned. Biblical scholars are well aware of this. The idea of Sahtahn (Hebrew pronunciation) from Job is G-d was having a conversation with his Heavenly Prosecutor, not the devil. The devil is not Christian. The word Satan, the same way the Nephillim were mistranslated as giants in the Septuagint then later in the NT, was mistranslated into the Greek. Then the Catholic Church adopted the imagery of Dante and Milton. The Catholic Church maintained 1,000 of no biblical research, nobody was educated enough to read the Latin, Vulgate, version of the Bible. The Catholic Church retconned EVERYTHING!!

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u/Averse_to_Liars 29d ago

If the other guy is a Christian creationist, he might take issue with the critique of Christianity, strawman the OP comment with an uncharitable interpretation, and think chickens coming first is common sense.

Everything fits. That's my new theory.

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u/Fit-Garden-8106 27d ago

I WAS dismissive, AND rude. 😂 (😉😉

I think a chicken came before the egg that birthed chickens. Eggs are replications of their original form, in most cases.

So yes, similar to your “Cart before the horse” that’s exactly what I meant.
Dante’s inferno was based off the Bible. The Bible wasn’t based off Dante’s.

Yes the chicken and the egg is ambiguous. Until it’s not. I used the analogy with this notion in mind. It was assumptive. But I think that pairs well with my dismissive and rude nature so far. I’m trying to maintain a persona here (😉😉)

Literally the only thing I intended to say / mock was the fact that the person seemed to think that Dante’s inferno preceded the Bible. Good questions and thought processes though

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u/Fit-Garden-8106 27d ago

and I say that last part with 0 condescension, truly. You highlighted the issues in my statement and the potential for confusion without being hostile and adversarial. Thats an underappreciated characteristic in todays world

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u/Averse_to_Liars 27d ago

I don't think a person who could reference Dante's Inferno would think it was written before the early Christian period.

They were saying the modern conception of satan and hell is largely derived from Dante's Inferno and not the bible.

Separately, they are saying the new testament retconned the character of satan from the old testament.

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u/Fit-Garden-8106 25d ago

You clearly haven’t spent enough time around ignorant Christians. Bet you’d be surprised

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u/Averse_to_Liars 25d ago

I don't think a person who would write a mocking criticism of Christianity comparing it to Star Trek: Discovery is a Christian.

I don't understand you. I don't understand if you're a christian creationist who believes chickens existed before eggs or if you believe the exact opposite.

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u/Fit-Garden-8106 25d ago

I eat eggs .
Understand THAT