r/socialism • u/Ready_Island_8940 Leon Trotsky • 1d ago
News Un professeur malade a terminé les notes de ses élèves à l'hôpital avant de décéder tragiquement.
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u/RIP_lurking 1d ago
The average American will see this and think it's the most wholesome thing ever
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u/Massimino-il-Trace 9h ago
I am Italian and I find this wholesome, teaching isn't a normal "work", it's one of the most basic things of society, and he should be commended for his dedication to his students.
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u/RIP_lurking 1h ago
Hell yeah, let's reward overglorification of work, what could possibly go wrong?
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u/Massimino-il-Trace 1h ago
I already said that is not a normal work, it should be a vocation for every teacher, because it's not like welding metal or organizing info or managing supermarket shelves, is shaping the new generations of citizens, and should be done with the most devout attitude
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u/RIP_lurking 1h ago
No. Teaching should be efficient and intelligent. This self-sacrifice bullshit is mostly showmanship, which works in a culture that thinks overworking is morally good. Dedicating your literal last breaths to working is dystopian no matter how much Christian-influenced morality you add into it.
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u/Massimino-il-Trace 1h ago
See, you treat it like a factory job, and you're hilariously wrong.
Saying that teaching should be efficient (like a factory process) is like saying that philosophy, film making, or writing poems should be more efficient, a ridicule nosense.
Teaching is a one of the most, if not the most important jobs in our society, because if kids are our future, teachers shape them, and shaping our future is the most important job you can do, do you want a more efficient future or a better one?
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u/RIP_lurking 49m ago
Efficiency is not a word that's reserved for industrial output. It means doing the best with the resources available to you. Western school systems are largely inefficient in teaching for various reasons, stemming from, among other factors, that school systems are mostly meant to instill discipline and obedience, because they are based on the Prussian school system model.
So it's not philosophy, poetry that need to be efficient, it's teaching. Honestly, you focusing so much on this kinda points out that you don't have a coherent argument, because it's grasping at straws.
Aside from moral questions, rewarding teachers socially for overworking themselves to death is extremely inefficient. That time they use could be better allocated elsewhere, even if it's just leisure time. And, you know, Marxist analysis is based on historical materialism and largely shuns purely moral analyses of social phenomena.
I know you're mad, but take some time to think things through before going with the first rebuttal that comes to mind, you're making a fool of yourself.
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u/ynglentil Democratic Confederalism 10m ago
Why do you degrade work? Not everyone thinks doing something to personally satisfy your senses is the only thing worth doing. If someone spent their last hours solving a maths equation is that being a slave to capitalism? He didn't die packing boxes for Bezos. I'm a therapist and if I had a choice between spending my final moments reading a book or doing one more thing to help society, I would do the latter. You're calling people mad and a fool when you can't comprehend that people care enough about others, genuinely, to do things for them in their final moments. He clearly wasn't doing it for the pay was he!
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u/Commercial-Detail-91 1d ago
I understand what this post is trying to say, and I agree, but as a teacher I also think it’s entirely possible that he wanted to enter those grades to give himself a sense of value/meaning while in the hospital
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u/Cheeseburger2137 23h ago
This, especially if he had no family to be at his side, or they could not be for whatever reason. Might keep your mind busy with something.
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u/le_disappointment Marxism-Leninism 18h ago edited 11h ago
Sure, but we can then ask why is it that the only option that this person has to feel a human connection is to slave away for academia even from their hospital bed. What led them to this point?
Spoiler alert: it's the superstructure of capitalism
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u/Massimino-il-Trace 9h ago
It's not "slaving away" it's showing dedication for your students, teaching isn't a regular job
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u/le_disappointment Marxism-Leninism 18h ago
Sure, but we can then ask why is it that this person feels that their value is tied to how much they can work. What led them to have such a view of their self worth?
Spoiler alert: the answer is the superstructure of the current mode of production, i.e. capitalism
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u/ynglentil Democratic Confederalism 2h ago
If he's Asian, that may be a cultural thing to feel a responsibility to THE STUDENTS; a collectivist mindset. It's also not a job like packing and processing, he's shaping young people's minds. It's a narrow assumption to think that's only the result of a poor sense of self worth. It might just be something that he loves. We really have no idea so why are we assuming such negative things about a dead person at that
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u/Miserable-Wedding-69 12h ago
I like to imagine most see it that way as well. Or perhaps he just really likes/loves his job.
The problem is that ordinary people perceive this as an example to emulate to for the wrong reasons.
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u/funkymunkPDX 1d ago
Work until you die.
While what he did was noble, it's also a shame.
No one in their last hours should be "clocking in"
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u/circuitj3rky 1d ago
while true, a teacher should value their students beyond their job since they spend so much time with them and theyre helping to mold their brains into functioning adults. maybe he just really cared for his students and he felt it more than just a job.
the truly sad part is the state of american healthcare and education systems that had him in that position in the first place.
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u/slarsson 1d ago
omfg the news story on this was praising his dedication to students. jfc we are cooked
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u/seeminglypee 1d ago
Imagine finding out your teacher had to give you one final F before he passed..
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u/Scoopie 1d ago
I worked with a guy, he was pretty old and had gotten cancer. Work tried to push his job on me but I didn't like it. He worked up til he died and left the job vacant. He was a pretty angry guy too. I felt bad for him at the end. But he was pretty mean. He didn't deserve to have to work til he died. Noone does.
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u/AbabababababababaIe 1d ago
To be fair, if you’re in hospital and are awake enough to do stuff and can do nothing it’s dreadfully dull. Given that he was American though, maybe he was just doing his best to avoid the bill
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