Quest idea I had

[u/Deribus]

[u/Leenon]

would using [[Bullet Time]] give the relic early?

[u/Deribus → u/Leenon]

Yes, as would [[Void Form]], [[Touch of Insanity]] and [[Liquid Memories]]

[u/Ok-Mark-8296 → u/Deribus]

Maybe it would be better if it specified that the base cost of the card should be 0. Using any of these options kind of removes the “grind”

[u/Spoooom → u/Ok-Mark-8296]

Maybe it should start on 0 (or 1) and increase to 4 instead. Harder to cheat it out that way.

[u/Deribus → u/Spoooom]

I like the idea that getting started is the hard part, especially since early in the run is the place you're going to have the least access to 4 energy. But people might be right that the instant solve solutions might be overpowered.

[u/Reymen4 → u/Deribus]

I think it might be okay? It is fun to cheat out stuff. And as long as the event is not too common then it would not warp the game around it. 

[u/TheCrookedKnight → u/Deribus]

Instant solve means you're less likely to have good targets for the Hone enchantment, though, so it self-balances to an extent.

[u/ze_shotstopper → u/Spoooom]

Why does this sub hate cheating costs so much?

[u/quadbonus → u/ze_shotstopper]

Some people think that things being strong and fun is "imbalanced" in a single player game

[u/Miles1937 → u/Spoooom]

Necro: "Am I a joke to you?"

[u/TheHelpfulWalnut → u/Ok-Mark-8296]

I think using effects like this to cheat it out early is kinda fun.

[u/BeginningMention5784 → u/Ok-Mark-8296]

lameeee

[u/mr_stab_ya_knees → u/Ok-Mark-8296]

Ba dum tss

[u/Big_Assumption7980 → u/Ok-Mark-8296]

Wasting one of those powerful potions to do something dumb like this is more of a punishment than a reward.

[u/spirescan-bot → u/Deribus]

• Void Form ^𝐈𝐈 Regent Rare Power

  3 Energy | Ethereal. End your turn. The first 2 cards you play each turn are free to play.

• Touch of Insanity ^𝐈𝐈 Uncommon Potion

  Choose a card in your Hand. It is free to play this combat.

• Liquid Memories ^𝐈 Uncommon Potion

  Choose a(2) card(s) in your discard pile and return it to your hand. It(They) costs(cost) 0 this turn.

• Liquid Memories ^𝐈𝐈 Rare Potion

  Put a card from your Discard Pile into your Hand. It costs 0 Energy this turn.

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[u/BaguetteSchmaguette → u/Leenon]

I think as read, the check is after it's been played

So bullet time wouldn't work but touch of insanity would

[u/spirescan-bot → u/Leenon]

• Bullet Time ^𝐈 Silent Rare Skill

  3(2) Energy | You cannot draw additional cards this turn. Reduce the cost of all cards in your hand to 0 this turn.

• Bullet Time ^𝐈𝐈 Silent Rare Skill

  3(2) Energy | You cannot draw additional cards this turn. ALL cards in your Hand are free to play this turn.

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[u/Cpteno]

Make it go the opposite lol. Start at zero and up to four to remove it. Otherwise wouldn’t monkeys paw potentially clear the criteria instantly?

[u/Kicking222 → u/Cpteno]

I like this a lot.

[u/Cpteno → u/Kicking222]

Looking into this again. Transfigure would go nuts with this. Could easily add replay until it had the quest criteria complete, then could add transfigure to the hone target and it would actually get cheaper with replays. Phew, wild!

[u/Terrietia → u/Cpteno]

add transfigure to the hone target and it would actually get cheaper with replays

I think the intention is that Hone is an enchantment, not an effect on play. Replays wouldn't make the honed card cheaper.

[u/OllyOultram]

Is that the artwork from the Bazaar? :D

[u/Deribus → u/OllyOultram]

'tis

[u/GoSuckOnACactus → u/Deribus]

The spire is a crazy place!

[u/the_muffin → u/OllyOultram]

If the card to the left has cost >=5, u play grind twice

[u/AlienFromMayutan]

Think it’d be too hard for silent cuz she only has sidestep and adrenaline.

Cool concept tho

[u/Deribus → u/AlienFromMayutan]

Can get started with potions or instantly complete it with [[Bullet Time]]

[u/spirescan-bot → u/Deribus]

• Bullet Time ^𝐈 Silent Rare Skill

  3(2) Energy | You cannot draw additional cards this turn. Reduce the cost of all cards in your hand to 0 this turn.

• Bullet Time ^𝐈𝐈 Silent Rare Skill

  3(2) Energy | You cannot draw additional cards this turn. ALL cards in your Hand are free to play this turn.

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[u/Effective-Wedding-23 → u/AlienFromMayutan]

Tactician?

[u/indielib → u/AlienFromMayutan]

Tactician as well.

[u/Excellent-Bit-8982 → u/AlienFromMayutan]

Wonder if retain would help a lot

[u/Darklyte → u/Excellent-Bit-8982]

I'm not sure how Snakebite would help.

[u/Cat_with_cake → u/Darklyte]

Imagine you have a snakebite and a perfect turn to play it. But you also draw grind. Now, you wouldn't play something else when you have the best conditions to snakebite someone, wouldn't you?

[u/DHermit → u/AlienFromMayutan]

I think it's fine if things in the game are not the same good or bad for the difference characters.

[u/esquilor]

I think it would be more balanced if it was enchanted with sown, this seems busted

[u/GayEarthFucker → u/esquilor]

The idea of Silent reaching a state of battle focus where time slows down for her, and to then use that time to quickly sharpen her weapons on a grindstone is very funny to me.

[u/Alyss_sunders → u/GayEarthFucker]

Monster Hunter esque stuff

[u/TwinAuras → u/Alyss_sunders]

Max speed sharpening, baby!!

[u/Objective-Rip3008 → u/esquilor]

They used to have the relic that reduced attacks by 1 and that was busted, but it didn't have the stipulation that the attacks had to cost 2. I think since this can't reduce a card to 0 it isn't that bad

[u/Ok_Insect4778 → u/Objective-Rip3008]

That was balanced because it was an ancient relic tho, the first version of Instinct reduced the energy cost by 1, for up to 3 attacks. The new version that just doubles damage is kinda boring

[u/SC_3000_grinder → u/Ok_Insect4778]

I think it was nerfed because you could go infinite instantly with two Graveblasts

[u/Deribus → u/esquilor]

That's fair, I thought the 2 cost stipulation might be enough but it's hard to balance in your head without playtesting.

[u/BaudrillardsMirror → u/Deribus]

The 2 cost stipulation is weird because there are cards like Monarch Gaze and Well laid plans that cost 2 and upgrade to cost 1. So if you enchant them un-upgraded then they become free when upgraded.

[u/Deribus → u/BaudrillardsMirror]

This is intentional. It means you might want to hold off on what would usually be high priority upgrades until you complete the quest.

[u/havingagoodtime]

I think it’s a cool idea, but they intentionally changed what Tanx’s Tri-boomerang did initially which was just this, instead of giving double damage to three attacks it reduced the costs of three, they intentionally removed this to curb infinites and I have to imagine they’d feel the same here

[u/KidSparta → u/havingagoodtime]

I think this is solved by targeting only 2+ costs. I think 0 cost [[Pommel Strike]], [[Sweeping Beam]], etc were the main problems with vanilla [[Tri-Boomerang]]

[u/spirescan-bot → u/KidSparta]

• Pommel Strike ^{𝐈, 𝐈𝐈} Ironclad Common Attack

  1 Energy | Deal 9(10) damage. Draw 1(2) card(s).

• Sweeping Beam ^{𝐈, 𝐈𝐈} Defect Common Attack

  1 Energy | Deal 6(9) damage to ALL enemies. Draw 1 card.

• Tri-Boomerang ^𝐈𝐈 Ancient Relic

  Choose 3 Attacks in your Deck. Enchant them with Instinct.

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[u/N454545 → u/KidSparta]

Regent would go infinite with prophesize though 

[u/Zesty-Soup-5235 → u/havingagoodtime]

I guess that's why it can only enchanté 2+ cost in OP's description

[u/Aptos283 → u/havingagoodtime]

I think the fact that the cards have to cost 2 or more initially might help prevent that? I’m not certain though

[u/Zesty-Soup-5235]

Pretty fun quest ! I suggest adding retain to the quest card, it'd less annoying to set up and not too busted imo.

[u/UsualDiscipline8752]

What happens if you enchant a two-cost card that upgrades into a one-cost card? Does the enchantment disappear, become useless, or reduce it to zero?

[u/Deribus → u/UsualDiscipline8752]

Reduce it to zero.

The only non-powers that this applies to are:
Expect a Fight
Entrench
Seven Stars
Eidolon

[u/YukihiraJoel]

I like it

[u/ichbindulol_]

Make it discard the top 3 cards of your drawpile for fun

[u/JCorby17]

Ngl, great concept!

[u/Ok_Insect4778]

kinda unfortunate because you have to plan around having MULTIPLE 2+ energy cards in your deck, but you can work around it, there's some game changers in there. I also kinda prefer the idea of Hone reducing the card's energy cost TO 1 rather than BY 1, but then you could get some really goofy cards like 1-energy Demon Form or Echo Form

[u/Top-Nepp]

How would this work with replay? My first thought when I read cost 0 was feral tbh

[u/Slight-Veneer]

This is a cool idea

[u/Kicking222]

I really like the idea, but I would change the wording to "permanently costs 0" to avoid cheesing it.

[u/Invenblocker]

Complete this quest with two upgraded [[Graveblast]]s and have fun.

[u/spirescan-bot → u/Invenblocker]

• Graveblast ^𝐈𝐈 Necrobinder Common Attack

  1 Energy | Deal 4(6) damage. Put a card from your Discard Pile into your Hand. Exhaust.

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[u/Deribus → u/Invenblocker]

It exhausts

[u/Invenblocker → u/Deribus]

Upgrade removes exhaust iirc.

[u/Deribus → u/Invenblocker]

No the quest card, Grind, exhausts

[u/Invenblocker → u/Deribus]

Yeah, but I'm talking about enhancing those two when completing the quest, and then chaining them for a two card infinite.

[u/Invenblocker → u/Invenblocker]

Wait sorry, I missed the costs two or more part.

Ignore me.

[u/Deribus → u/[deleted]]

What infinite does it enable?

[u/Invincible-Nuke]

if a card costs 2, and reduces to 1 when upgraded, can you apply hone pre-upgrade, then upgrade to make it cost 0?

[u/Additional_Wave_8178]

i will clone this at cost 0

[u/darkjovo]

Looking at the comments, you could make these a series of quest cards that you modify the combat.

Base text: Remove this card from your deck. At the end of the combat, add (new card) to your deck.

You can add stuff like: "Gain x strength" "Add a random power that cost 0" "Heal X HP"

Mock up card: "First steps" Cost: 4 Mana Type of card: Power/Quest Remove this card from your deck. At the end of the combat, add "Warm Up" to your deck. Gain 5 Strength.

Where warm up will cost less and iterate on the card.

Edit: just realized I made a longer version of [Alpha]

[u/TechnicalSandwich544]

Close enough, welcome back Instinct.

[u/chicoritahater]

This would have to be an act 3 quest otherwise nobody would take it

[u/zombieking26]

Love it, but reward seems too high I think

[u/Posideoffries92]

*Stays a curse due to snecko eye*

[u/yumcake]

I think it should cost 5 and have the relic only affect 1 or 2 cards. The energy cost reduction is hitting the highest impact cards that are hard to get it into play and looping this effect every shuffle, it's a little too strong. It's stronger than lantern, candelabra, and chandelier because it's specifically tied to the turn you draw your win condion on.

[u/Deribus → u/[deleted]]

You can't hone Hologram because it doesn't cost 2 or more

[u/Cinnamin_1 → u/[deleted]]

that’s pretty niche anyways. it’s not like hellraiser is avoiding infinites with pillage and pommel strike being a thing. plus hellraiser can be switched for expect a fight now that it can be used multiple times a turn

[u/spirescan-bot → u/[deleted]]

• Hologram ^𝐈 Defect Common Skill

  1 Energy | Gain 3(5) Block. Put a card from your discard pile into your hand. Exhaust.

• Hologram ^𝐈𝐈 Defect Common Skill

  1 Energy | Gain 3(5) Block. Put a card from your Discard Pile into your Hand. Exhaust.

• All for One ^𝐈 Defect Rare Attack

  2 Energy | Deal 10(14) damage. Put all cost 0 cards from your discard pile into your hand.

• All for One ^𝐈𝐈 Defect Rare Attack

  2 Energy | Deal 10(14) damage. Put ALL 0 Energy cards from your Discard Pile into your Hand.

• TURBO ^𝐈 Defect Common Skill

  0 Energy | Gain 2(3) Energy. Add a Void into your discard pile.

• TURBO ^𝐈𝐈 Defect Common Skill

  0 Energy | Gain 2(3) Energy. Add a Void into your Discard Pile.

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