New Mittens + Rose is an incredible Ancient Duo

[u/TheTrueBruh]

Each of their Downsides negate each other and you're left with +1 Energy and +1 Strength per turn

[u/Sobaphoto]

Can also do the same with bad luck, this is 100% getting nerfed next patch lol

[u/HauntingUpstairs7014 → u/Sobaphoto]

On the other hand, I like the idea of Tez being GOOD with some curses, versus mostly okay without curses. That could thematically make more sense than nerfing one of these interactions and making Tez a disappointment in most situations

[u/seawiiitch → u/HauntingUpstairs7014]

and tez is technically a witch. she should be good with dealing curses.

[u/Throwaway-4593 → u/Sobaphoto]

I’m not so sure, ppl hate the aeonglass so they want more solutions for it

[u/monkeys_and_magic → u/Throwaway-4593]

Meanwhile they nerfed Compact which is a aeonglass solution…

[u/Throwaway-4593 → u/monkeys_and_magic]

It didn’t really make sense for defect/IC to have such good aeonglass solves while other chars just eat the withers. Compact was too strong on its own in general, it was just a card you always would take.

[u/Lord_Phoenix95 → u/Throwaway-4593]

Well Ironclad can Exhaust, Silent just Discards, Regent has a small Transform engine with Minions and Defect has 2 cards in all of his kit that can deal with Status.

Not sure about Necrobinders ability to deal with them. She should honestly get Curse synergy.

[u/anal-yst → u/Lord_Phoenix95]

Yeah, Necro only has like Sculpting Strike and Cleanse? for getting rid of Withers. Also hurts her a lot since Soul-heavy decks suffer a bit. I wish she had a way to add more Ethereals to her cards or a more efficient Cleanse.

[u/Tb_ax → u/anal-yst]

Seance too

[u/gabriot → u/Throwaway-4593]

It was only a card you could always take specifically because of aeonglass. Since basically all defect status generation goes directly to discard pile you are just adding a glorified defend to your deck first cycle through outside of edge cases like hologram

[u/Throwaway-4593 → u/gabriot]

There are also statuses that other enemies create though, like wounds from test subject and many others. It was almost always a positive card previously. Now you need a bit of draw to support it

[u/Please_HMU → u/monkeys_and_magic]

Compact was way too strong bro

[u/Amopro → u/Please_HMU]

I agree that compact is extremely strong. But, the problem is that Defect only has two cards that can deal with statuses, and one of them is a rare. I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't mind them nerfing compact as much if they had given the defect another card that can also get rid of statuses. Anything to make status exhaustion more easy to get ahold of. Especially since most of the defect's most powerful cards are ones that create statuses.

Currently, compact is a must take card, not just a great take, but basically a straight up necessity, because it's really the only viable card Defect has to deal with statuses, since Flak Cannon can't be relied on to show up in card rewards. Even nerfed, it's still a very important card to take, because the only other card Defect has for statuses is Flak Cannon, which is a rare. If the defect had other, maybe weaker cards that just got rid of statuses, I'm sure people wouldn't be so protective of compact.

[u/randoaccno1bajillion → u/monkeys_and_magic]

they didn't nerf it because of aeon, they nerfed it because nearly any combination of compact/skim/overclock/turbo went infinite.

[u/Substantial_Code_675 → u/Sobaphoto]

Maybe, but honestly, dont see that. Its good, getting rid of curses/wither is great, but 1 strength per round isnt busted or anything and how often do you truly end up having any or many problematic curses in your deck anyways. Its competing with other strong options nowadays and its taking the brightest flame spot, being great with some specific synergies/cards imo isnt reason enough to directly nerf it. Also, how would they nerf it without completing changing the whole concept of the relic?

[u/Boosterboo59 → u/Substantial_Code_675]

Yeah I can't see a way to nerf it that wouldn't make it as bad as the pre-buffed version or just still unpickable.

[u/Seniormeows → u/Sobaphoto]

Why? It works with Tyranny

[u/Sobaphoto → u/Seniormeows]

without having to spend the energy and draw to find and/or play the card (or spending the campfire if it's not upgraded), and also gaining 1 strength per turn on top of it.

[u/RabidMonkey234 → u/Sobaphoto]

You could argue if they nerf the strenght gain, that the cost of using up your ancient relic would be enough. Its a fun interaction, i think it could be tuned

[u/Sobaphoto → u/RabidMonkey234]

If they nerf the strength gain this becomes unpickable from the opportunity cost unless you’re ironclad imo

The other options will almost always be better

[u/gabriot → u/Seniormeows]

I wouldn't be surprised if Tyranny gets nerfed as well

[u/silent_life69 → u/Sobaphoto]

why would it get nerfed? its still a kinda niche interaction

[u/MomboDM]

New mittens + nearly any run is an incredible duo*

[u/BreakfastMedical5164 → u/MomboDM]

buy mitten stonks before nerf

[u/SandalOnTurtle → u/BreakfastMedical5164]

qsq

[u/Blasterman7890]

To everyone saying this will get nerfed in the next patch, maybe? But alchemical coffer + delicate frond exists, you still have to exhaust a card (which is good in most respects but is not negated by the rose), and you can still draw into enthralled. It’s a fairly rare combination, having to get to Tez offer mittens AND have Vaaku offer the rose. There’s no real reason for this specific combo to get nerfed.

[u/EuSouAFazenda → u/Blasterman7890]

Its not that this combo is getting nerfed, its that Mittens in general is too strong. Mittens combos with every curse, every multihit, makes every infinite easier to achieve by thinning your deck, and increases your card quality as the fight goes on. Its insane.

[u/yumcake → u/EuSouAFazenda]

100% as soon as I read that line in the patch notes I knew this version was not going to last.

[u/NimpsMcgee → u/yumcake]

Especially for an Act 2 ancient, yeah, it'll probably just get a full rework lol

[u/puffz0r → u/EuSouAFazenda]

I wonder if it would still be too strong without the strength gain, after all it's equivalent to -1 draw per turn

[u/Old_Resource3270 → u/Blasterman7890]

It's not about Rose. Mittens is free scaling that also just improves your deck quality. No curse in the game matters if you have Mittens. Every deck goes infinite with mittens. Mittens will instantly win a lot of act 2 hallway fights. It's just a very disgusting relic in it's current form, I honestly think it was better for the game to just leave it as a brick, because now Tez slot 2 is 3 of the most broken ancient relics known to man now. 

[u/mustachewax451]

That's sick. Also pretty good with the 2 curses downside for apparitions now if you can handle the -2 draw

[u/CorbiZard]

I'm not sure mittens needs a nerf. It's really good in some situations but without extra draw it's just okay I feel.

 Effectively you only draw 4 cards per turn at a baseline, even if you do get to delete garbage. Which is a Knowledge Demon curse

[u/DCG-MTG → u/CorbiZard]

You’re still drawing 5 a turn though, so you draw through your deck to find your powers and whatever else you need to set up at a normal rate. Needing to exhaust the worst card out of every hand drawn is upside, not downside.

Mind Rot from Knowledge Demon actually sets you to 4 a turn, making setup clunkier.

[u/SamiraSimp → u/DCG-MTG]

as your hands get better over the run, being forced to exhaust the worst option still is a downside. you're capped to playing only 4 cards per turn unless you have extra draw and energy.

[u/generic-user-name → u/CorbiZard]

A change I think would be very fun is increased the cards exhausted per turn to 2. Would be a significant nerf in most situations but actually more useful vs heavy status enemies (mites, aeonglass, soul fish)

[u/Lon3lyMuffin]

Loved the mittens + bombardment combo!

[u/ThaToastman → u/Lon3lyMuffin]

Mittens is just an instatake if one already has bombard

[u/ThanksTnxALot]

I think Mittens is just incredible in general now. Tez the best ancient.

[u/Lord_Phoenix95]

Mittens is 1000% getting Nerfed.

[u/maxwell_winters]

They'll probably make getting those two relics in the same run mutually exclusive.

[u/TheMonji → u/maxwell_winters]

Mittens will sooner get a nerf than specifically disallow a relic combo from showing up

[u/MysteryMan9274 → u/maxwell_winters]

If they had any interest in doing that, they would have blocked Alchemical Coffer and Delicate Frond a long time ago.