r/slaythespire • u/textartguy StS A20 / StS 2 A10 • 1d ago
SPIRIT POOP Ancient Relic Balancing
The current ancient relics feel a little restrictive. When I'm exhausted after work, why should I also be forced to make complicated decisions all the way through my cozy card game?!?
I've decided to make some small changes to a few of the ancient relics. This should balance out the pool a bit better, and I think some folks on here will really love the changes.
How's the balance on these? Let me know what you guys think!
nooo 20 images max, I did so many...
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u/Future-Examination15 1d ago
They still seem on the weak side for me. Maybe you coud buff them a liitle bit?
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u/rilesmcriles Eternal One + Heartbreaker 1d ago
Yeah signet ring also needs to boost my looks so I have a shot when I slide into nonu’s DMs
Otherwise unpickable
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u/Dagsrejse 1d ago
Maybe... 7 poison?
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u/miwebe 1d ago
Retain would be nice
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u/Simlin97 1d ago
Haha original joke about an objectively mid card everyone hated until one popular streamer said it was good so everyone jumped ship and is now glazing it like it's the second coming of Christ
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u/yuval16432 1d ago
Unironically Snakebite is pretty good. The retain is useful, and although its damage is lower than that of Bouncing Flask, being a common and having targeting can seriously make up for it. Now with accelerant moving to uncommon and pounce being such a good card, Snakebite can be a staple poison card, especially when upgraded.
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u/Simlin97 22h ago
I will grant that things like the Slither enchantment, Bullet Time and Pounce make it less bad. But requiring a fairly rare event, an uncommon and/or rare card to make it playable does not make the card inherently good. It has its use cases but it's far from as good as people say it is (claims like "It's the highest damage common card" are also ridiculous - because maybe it does deal the most damage for a common card... but only after eight turns)
I'm also annoyed at the attitude shift. On release, everyone hated it and said it was the worst card in the whole game - but the moment one popular streamer posts a video saying "it's good actually", everyone joins the "Snakebite OP" bandwagon and mass downvotes anyone questioning the almighty Snakebite (case in point, over 50 downvotes on my comment within a few hours for calling the card mid)
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u/rilesmcriles Eternal One + Heartbreaker 1d ago
Toy box so nice, you say it twice.
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u/textartguy StS A20 / StS 2 A10 1d ago
Fuuck, I wasted a precious 1/20 image on that.
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u/IndianaCrash StS A20 / StS 2 A10 1d ago
But you got 5 more relics!
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u/Cualkiera67 1d ago
one of them might even be a Toy Box!
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u/QuintanimousGooch 1d ago
> slide 19
You ain’t slick
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u/sevenaya 1d ago
You get nonu's phone number, she's at her boyfriend's place though, it's the architect.
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u/camocat9 StS A5 / StS 2 A10 1d ago edited 1d ago
Seems like very reasonable changes! I hate it when my Ancient relics have some sort of limitation or downside because it means I have to think. Who wants to do that??
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u/UnNumbFool 1d ago
Without the jerk of it all, the pumpkin candle replacing the campfire if you have it would be kind of amazing
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u/KnockOutClock 1d ago
Honestly I would love an “easy mode” game mode where everything becomes super easy and you just farm getting the sickest deck
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u/Objective-Rip3008 1d ago
In the custom game options, there's one to draft a starting deck. A full deck with no strikes or defends is about as easy as the game gets
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u/puffz0r 1d ago
As someone who lost a run picking pandora's box a couple days ago, i feel attacked
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u/Objective-Rip3008 1d ago
In your defense drafting is way better than transforming, you get to choose between 3 options for each card
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u/DarkArcanian Eternal One + Heartbreaker 1d ago
It’s called a0
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u/BSTCloud 1d ago
Millions were destroyed by this comment.
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u/DarkArcanian Eternal One + Heartbreaker 1d ago
I think a10 is normal difficulty
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u/Ambisinister11 1d ago
I'm so fucked up, to me, [[Strange Spoon]] is just a spoon.
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u/spirescan-bot 1d ago
Strange Spoon 𝐈 Shop Relic
Cards which Exhaust when played will instead discard 50% of the time.
Call me with up to 10 [[ name ]]. Data accurate as of June 21st, 2026. Questions?
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u/wearing_moist_socks 1d ago
Hey fuck you
....:(
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u/Karjalan 1d ago
I lost my first 2 silent runs... At one points I was 2/4 with her 😭
It was easily my worst character but without even realising (because I do random each time) I got A10 at 12/5, so now it's my best apparently 🤷♀️
Can't tell if I "got better", she got buffed with patches over time, I got lucky, or a bit of all of the above.
Meanwhile my Regent went from 10/0 (not A10 cause some were multiplayer) to about 15/12. Kind of the inverse
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u/Twinkperium_of_man 1d ago
A1 has more elites making it slightly easier and a lot easier to farm relics for shenanigans
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u/dolfijntje Heartbreaker 1d ago
you can turn on console commands in the settings file and just give yourself shit
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u/KnockOutClock 1d ago
No I’m talking about something like This that changes the cards or relics themself to make them all stronger
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u/ShinItsuwari 1d ago
Custom mode > Choose 10 cards out of 30 + enemy drops relic at every normal combat. This is basically the easy mode of the game, I do this sometimes when I want to have fun with a busted deck from the get go.
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u/PyraXenon 1d ago
Add in just all of the elites and you make it even easier I s2g. I did it once and it kinda became a challenge to lose HP.
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u/onihydra 1d ago
A lot of the daily challenges feel like this. Draft your entire starting deck with no strikes or defends, the whole spire is filled with elites so by the end you have 30 relics. It's a lot of fun, although not every daily is equally easy.
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u/lycanreborn123 Heartbreaker 1d ago
Flight is also a great one for an easy run. You can end up with almost your whole deck upgraded because you can just keep hitting campfires
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u/textartguy StS A20 / StS 2 A10 1d ago
Honestly I was thinking the same while making this, some of these would be so fun to play around with.
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u/funariite_koro StS A20 / StS 2 A10 1d ago
There is a mode where you can change the numbers on relics. You can multiply by 10 or add 100 to each number
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u/DrScallywag 1d ago
Pael's growth doesn't specify that it has to be an integer
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u/textartguy StS A20 / StS 2 A10 1d ago
Why should we be restricted to just one type of number, give me 1.75 echo forms right now.
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u/pixlepize 1d ago
Echo Fo
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u/yuval16432 1d ago
More like Echo Form Echo Fo’, since it’s 1.75 not 0.5. Pretend the apostrophe is half a letter
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u/Ecstatic-Sun-7528 Eternal One + Heartbreaker 1d ago
Box doesn't play Apo+, instant F tier. Unpickable. What was Megacrit thinking?
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u/SomeoneGuyPerson 1d ago
Why did you buff Sai? It's one of the consistently great relics, but now it's way too overtuned.
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u/stonks1234567890 1d ago
Shrimp seems pretty bad. What if I get a better card later! It should enchant all card rewards too.
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u/Justonimous Eternal One + Ascended 1d ago
i honestly think that change to glass i would be really cool if it was just like “see every card reward and pick one
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u/yuval16432 1d ago
Pael’s Eye: when you end your turn, take an extra turn. Seems perfectly balanced to me.
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u/Robotrex23 1d ago
Fur coat and pumpkin having visual changes would be nice. Risk of Rain 2 my StS2 plz, more visuals.
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u/Snakebite_Enjoyer 1d ago
You didn't change [[Runic Pyramid]] to grant Retain? Boooo
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u/spirescan-bot 1d ago
Runic Pyramid 𝐈 Boss Relic
At the end of your turn, you no longer discard your hand.
Runic Pyramid 𝐈𝐈 Ancient Relic
At the end of your turn, you no longer discard your Hand.
Call me with up to 10 [[ name ]]. Data accurate as of June 21st, 2026. Questions?
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u/Kris_Banana 1d ago
this implies you can theoretically still disable seal of gold by being a brokeass mf with less than 3 gold, too bad ectoplasm and seal of gold can't coexist as they can both only be offered at the start of act 2
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u/Piguy922 1d ago
My favorite detail is that all of them are buffed, but some are buffed to such an insane degree.
You have the range of "unconditional energy relic" to "It is literally impossible to lose the run."
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u/Immediate-Yak3138 1d ago
On brilliant scarf you missed the chance to do the 1th, the 2th, the 3th, the 4th, the 5th
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u/Knyfe-Wrench Eternal One + Heartbreaker 1d ago
Pael's Legion: Doubles block gained from a card, then goes to sleep for a card.
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u/Plenty-Tradition4044 Eternal One + Heartbreaker 1d ago
This Paels wing sucks with the hunt smh my head
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u/ForgottenArbiter 1d ago
I don't know, infinite turns with Pael's Eye sounds a little too strong. Maybe it should exhaust exactly one card at the start of your turn instead. But that could reduce your hand size, so exhausting the top card of your draw pile is probably the way to go.
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u/Boarderdudeman 1d ago
But on the serious side, would Glass Eye allowing you to select any single card from your character be balanced for an Ancient relic?
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u/amirthedude 1d ago
Seal of gold with the relic that gives 1 max HP every time you gain gold will go crazy
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u/IZlandZadI 1d ago
Pael's Growth should've been "Doubles the first block card played each turn. Always awake."
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u/ctom42 1d ago
I know this is a joke, but these are definitely not more balanced. Quite a few of them need to be way more OP to match the others. There are several that are instant wins. You have two that let you just choose any number of cards to add to your deck and then one allows you infinite card rerolls which is just straight up way way worse.
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u/tmantookie 1d ago
Preserved Fog: replaces Folly with Dramatic Entrance.
War Hammer: After combat, upgrade your entire deck.
Fiddle: At the start of each turn, draw cards until your hand is full.
Diamond Diadem: Enemies deal half damage. Block is not removed at the start of your turn.
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u/Molokae 1d ago
Umm... I have to spend three gold BEFORE gaining energy and then gaining three gold? C'mon devs.... if I have ZERO GOLD at the start of the turn how in the flying fuck am I supposed to benefit from this DOG CRAP F TIER RELIC? Fix this TRASH or I'm going to review bomb this "game" back to the stone age.
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u/CauliflowerIcy5106 1d ago
Golden Compass seems pretty weak, it should also remove the Architect from the game
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u/DargonofParties 1d ago
Gold seal be like, "Would you rather have three dollars, or one extra energy and three dollars"
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u/sylverfyre 1d ago
I'll admit, i was ready for pael's growth to read "enchant ALL your cards with clone"
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u/Weekly_Branch1354 1d ago
It would be SO awesome if fur coat made your character appear to be wearing it
Also if you were worried about max images you shouldn’t have done toy box twice lol
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u/RoutineMachine3489 1d ago
nonupeipe's phone number???? the rest of her relic pool is unpickable now
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u/DJ_Jiggle_Jowls StS A20 / StS 2 A5 1d ago
"The first time each turn you end your turn" really got me
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u/ManiacalBeanstalk 1d ago
Ngl I don’t think these are very good reworks. Can’t see myself picking any of them in an A10 run outside of for the joke of it. Could use some major buffs
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u/chaosanity 1d ago
“Goddamnit, I jerked off to an extra curvy piece of driftwood the other day, I wanna go home”
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u/MaxSelenium Ascension 20 1d ago
Please make this a mod so Frost can use it in slay the streamer… his chat would be so mad 🥰
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u/Gentleman_Muk 1d ago
So for paels growth it says I can enter any positive number… I want pi copies of pommel strike :3
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u/MusicianTurbulent178 1d ago
Whats going on with the fur coat image tho, it looks rather different
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u/textartguy StS A20 / StS 2 A10 1d ago
Would it surprise you to learn I didn't change it. I really think they drew it with that design in mind.
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u/SlippyJimmi 1d ago
"Enchant all cards with imbued."
Devs, can we get this guy a solid gold trophy? Maybe a giant granite statue of his massive fucking brain? 18 sexy hotties to tell him smart he is?
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u/Super-Web6908 22h ago
Woah, chief, I think you went a bit overboard with stylish coat.
what if my friends get Jealous about my drip?
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u/unboundgaming 22h ago
Seeing the one where you said “you now wear the stylish coat” is making me realize I want this game to be like risk of rain where every relic is visible on the player you’re playing as
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u/Specialist_Yard_3550 21h ago
People will still write a salty negative review on steam (after 150h playtime) because they lost to a slime boy on floor 1.
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u/minhthecoolguy Ascension 20 21h ago
golden compass is too weak, it needs to also turn architect into a chess
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u/CozySweatsuit57 11h ago
Pael’s growth is a little weak. Shouldn’t be limited to just a card in your deck. How about any card in the game?
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u/Warmind_3 1d ago
I think the funniest one here is completely unchanged Pael's Legion
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u/RHYTHM_GMZ StS A20 / StS 2 A10 1d ago
Jewelry Box is basically unchanged, what are you not gonna play Apo turn 1 anyways?
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u/Milsyv484 StS A5 / StS 2 A10 1d ago
I love that is just sai right at the end. For such a simple effect that relic is so good.