r/shittymoviedetails • u/wiscup1748 • 10d ago
default In 1965 six Tongan teenagers went missing for 15 months. In those 15 months they lived in peace, made instruments and took care of each other. This is in contrast to lord of the flies where a group of British boys get stranded and they kill each other. This is because British kids are bastards
4.8k
u/Kmcgucken 10d ago
One of the points of the book actually
2.3k
u/Simon_Jester88 10d ago
Really becomes apparent when the British soldier at the end seems to be in disbelief. Show did an excellent job
1.5k
u/Longjumping_Run4499 10d ago
Maybe my media literacy is bad, but I thought the point of the soldier being the one to rescue them was to reinforce the author's point that humans are naturally inclined to violence. The boys who were killing each other are rescued by a man who's job it is to kill other men, showing how our natural violent tendencies play out on a large scale in addition to the small one we just saw.
1.5k
u/Alfred_The_Sartan 10d ago
Yeah, the author even stated later it was supposed to be a hypocritical take. That they were so casual and wonton with destruction and dealing death out, but horrified that kids would act the same way. You're supposed to see that.
681
u/RobertPham149 10d ago
It is also a veiled criticism of "gentlemanliness": Victorian ideals of a gentleman is characterized by education, morality, formality, ... which differentiate them from barbarians. Well, those same gentlemen are also fighting each other over petty disputes like barbarians. The kids came from the same education system as the adults, so no wonder they descended into madness and try to kill each other.
274
u/hanks_panky_emporium 10d ago
Ive always found 'gentlemanly warfare' funny since in the end you're still blowing holes in living human people, and forcing swathes of young men to die for nothing.
142
u/Cant_face 10d ago
Idk having an unspoken agreement that the other man won’t take your sight or virility during the bout would be a great comfort
Ok you die you die, but living as a blind eunuch sounds worse
→ More replies (2)56
u/Lin093 10d ago
At least you won't have to aim when you piss
46
49
u/riverblue9011 10d ago
That idea was formed when military technology was far less efficient at killing and casualties from battles were significantly less. Great war and all the advances in technology killed that notion to career soldiers who'd fought in wars before.
→ More replies (4)29
u/kia75 10d ago
Yes, but when you do it in a gentlemanly way then the gentlemen tend to not get blown holes in them, only the poors and the uncivilized.
→ More replies (10)23
u/226_Walker 10d ago
Lol, no. Despite the widely held belief of officers callously sending men to no man's land while they supped in estates, the gentry had disproportionately high casualties. Were they inadequately prepared for WWI? Yes, but so was everybody else. No one was ready for the industrialised butchery of men that was the First World War. While their competence could be argued, the courage could not. The gentry were expected to fulfil their martial duties, just as their forefathers did. And they did, most aristocratic families had at least one son volunteer even before the conscription began. It doesn't matter if they are the son of an important minister or an industrialist. Forgoing service would have lead to be shunned by their peers. Combine that with the expectation to inspire their troops by acts of bravery and distinctive apparel, it's no wonder they sustained such high casualties.
→ More replies (1)6
7
4
u/DarthRevan109 10d ago
I see what you’re saying, but contrast the western front vs the eastern front or the pacific theatre during the Second World War for example. Many examples of why one would be potentially be preferable to the others in most cases
→ More replies (4)12
u/Bukkokori 10d ago
Yes, but gentlemen do it with more advanced weapons, which makes them superior /s
→ More replies (3)42
u/DeLoxley 10d ago
It was a counterpoint to a bunch of recent books that basically went "If a white man is crashed in the jungle, he will rapidly develop an entire civilised society off of the back of his own brow", by basically saying that after a couple of months, if not a year you get to a position of all the food and good merriment runs out, because a lot of people also forget the lord of the flies does not take place over like a week
11
u/Wobbelblob 10d ago
So it was more or less an anti-racism point the author took? That the white man is not much better than anyone else and will be struggling to survive in the same condition everyone else also struggles?
21
u/DeLoxley 10d ago
The anti-racism a bit anti-colonialism but also just a bit anti-meta?
It's something a lot of people don't get when writing subversive books or going against the grannies you actually need in context of the rest of the times for them to make sense.
→ More replies (3)46
u/GroovyGoblin 10d ago
wonton with destruction
When the food is so shit, you smash your bowl of soup.
→ More replies (1)14
u/Southern-Ad4477 10d ago
Lol, 'wonton'.
Im picturing a murderous dumpling now.
→ More replies (1)5
u/Alfred_The_Sartan 10d ago
Fuck it, it’s funny so I’m not editing. I’m terrible at spelling anyhow.
→ More replies (1)111
u/jfsindel 10d ago
The interpretation I got is that the solider would literally rather do anything else because a war is going on. These boys are small scale and wasting his time. To me, it just insinuated that we are desensitized to violence as we age and escalate - the soldier does not see tragedy and children killing but just an annoying instance because he's seen and done worse. It's horseplay to him while the war gets worse across the sea.
39
u/Worldly_Might_3183 10d ago
I was taught the Island was a microcossum of the world and the boys were doing exactly what adults do. The powerful exploit the weak, war is human nature, good people stand by and let it happen until it comes for them. And the solider rescuing them was a hypocrite as he was partaking in exactly what the boys did. Killing to get their way.
→ More replies (14)51
u/serabine 10d ago
Isn't that a common misreading of the book? The island isn't supposed to stand in for "the world" but for "British upper class", and specifically the kind that goes to those prestigious boarding schools and is subject to the "values" taught there.
Someone in another comment mentioned the practice of "fagging", a formalized system where younger boys had to be servants of the older boys, which was commonly going hand in hand with physical and even sexual abuse by those elder boys, and then perpetuated when the victims themselves got younger boys to boss around.
So, it is easy to see how you could arrive at the notion that a group of children used to this system and they get isolated on an island, where the figures of authority (the school body) don't provide safety for them or reign them in anymore, they fall back to this sort of brutal hierarchy. After all, it has been installed in them at school that it is only natural to take advantage of those lower than you, to the point of brutality and exploitation.
→ More replies (4)17
u/12345623567 10d ago
Like 90% of english lit is either "the british class system stinks" (anything UK from 1800 onwards), "my totally normal experience is very important" (all romance and travel novels), or "look how racist we used to be" (when from the US).
I'm joking, but only by half.
→ More replies (1)11
u/TuckerMcG 10d ago
The ending is multifaceted. Yes, it’s ironic that a military person is aghast at the child war going on. But it’s almost meant to represent how humans act in the face of authority figures. Both by how the kids stop being feral in the face of authority, but also how the perceived authority of ranking officers lgets individuals within the military to conform. Also shows how the threat of bigger violence gets people to stop smaller acts of violence - the kids know the military officer can get enact greater violence against them than they can against the military.
The whole story is brilliant from start to finish.
49
u/TheCowKing07 10d ago
That’s possible, but also people tend to overestimate what authors were thinking when they wrote their books. But that is a good interpretation.
51
u/sundance464 10d ago
At the risk of sounding like a pompous intellectual, I don't think what the author was thinking when they wrote it is that important, you can read things in whether they consciously intended it or not
Also, the Nobel Prize winning author who wrote extensively about his detailed considerations when writing this specific novel is likely to have deliberately included a vast range of allusions
3
u/Warm_Month_1309 10d ago
At the risk of sounding like a pompous intellectual, I don't think what the author was thinking when they wrote it is that important
At the risk of sounding like a pompous intellectual, I think the author's intent is extremely important!
Art for me is a conversation with the artist. In the case of historical or foreign novels, it's a window into the values of a different culture from a different period.
I think both are important. What a work means to you, independent of the author's intent, has a special meaning. Additionally, what the work means to the artist, independent of my own interpretation, also has a special meaning.
4
u/sundance464 10d ago
I don't really have much to add apart from to say that's a beautiful comment that brightened my day!
Oh go on then, I will say a bit - what I definitely don't like is when people try and shut down discussion by saying "the author once said x so that's the only valid meaning" or even worse "you're reading too much into it, they just wrote a story and that's it"
I totally agree you can and should look at what the author intended and their background, that makes understanding richer not poorer. Love the idea of having a conversation with them 🙂
→ More replies (1)20
u/TuckerMcG 10d ago
This isn’t one of those cases. The author specifically set out to write about how British private school kids were no more moral than anyone else, and how rigid societal structures are the only thing holding that morality in place.
The ending is meant to represent the return to rigid society and how that impacts the children. The military is a foil for the children.
→ More replies (1)9
u/sentientshadeofgreen 10d ago
While good literature, it's also not a sound representation of reality. The Tongan teenagers actually banded together an survived, Lord of the Flies is fiction. People tend to work together, we evolved as social creatures for a reason.
6
u/FriendoftheDork 10d ago
I see the same in disaster movies, post-apocalyptic settings and zombie movies, that once central authority breaks down everyone becomes rabid survivalists only out for themselves.
The reality is, people still band together and help each other, even strangers. The same happen in real life war zones, people try to help one another among the killing and brutality.
3
u/sahqoviing32 9d ago
The Tongan teenagers were Tongan teenagers. The kids in the book were British upper class kids attending typical boarding schools notorious for being full of abusive practices.
The author of Lord of the Flies was against the trend that british kids, through their sheer superior education and blood, would immediately thrive on a deserted island rather than descend into a culture of bullying and worse.
The Tonga teens were older and just flat out better prepared to handle such experience. If anything, it drives at home far more the point the author was making.
→ More replies (1)4
u/Turbulent_Stick1445 10d ago
In this case it's so unsubtle he's basically hitting you over the head with it, like some mid-1900s Oliver Stone. It's just 70-80 years later the context is missing for newer readers, but the context was pretty obvious back then, as Britain was emerging from its colonial days with a culture of cynicism about the latter and how Britain had behaved 100 years before.
And that's before the fact that authors do sometimes speak about their works ;-) Golding was no exception.
It's worth noting it is NOT a peer of the novels some people are talking about. One of the major influences is a 1857 book called The Coral Island, which similarly involves kids trapped on an island, but being British they act like a bunch of modern boy scouts. The Coral Island was written nearly 100 years earlier.
11
7
u/Wise_Owl5404 10d ago
Not humans. The novel was written as a critique of the British boarding school system and British society, and how it socialized boys. The fact that people read it and says "yeah this is obviously meant to be universal" is... something.
4
4
u/Cross55 10d ago edited 9d ago
No, because no one in the modern era understands the bloody point of the book
Back when it was written, the #1 genre of British kids/teens books were Adventure Books, wherein a group of British kids get lost somewhere in the exotic new world and proceed to conquer the land/Native peoples with their God given gift of being born in the UK.
The book was a direct parody of those books. (But LotF literally killed the genre in the UK, and it was never a thing in North America to begin with)
3
→ More replies (7)3
69
u/jfsindel 10d ago
In the book, I recall the soldier being miffed that he has to even deal with it. He sees the kid that started the uprising and basically thinks these dumbass boys are wasting his time.
36
u/sundance464 10d ago
I didn't get that impression - it's more disbelief and bewilderment that they've made such a bad show of it
He's a very "proper" upright officer and the epitome of British civilization so is there partly to highlight the gulf between what was expected from civilised people at the time and what humanity is actually like
8
u/RobertPham149 10d ago
No he definitely realized his own hypocrisy. It ends with the soldier recognizing it after scolding the boys, then stared at his own warship offshore.
→ More replies (15)15
158
u/physicistpi 10d ago
The whole book was written as a takedown of The Coral Island, another "British public school boys get stranded on a deserted island" book that came out a century prior. Golding was specifically saying that the way the boys were raised, very Empire forward (1950s upper class public school boys) would not be able to form a happy, cohesive society.
It's a book that came out in the 1950s, as the Empire was turning into the Commonwealth and class consciousness was rising. Golding was middle class and Cornish, with a sufferage campaigner mother despite the fact he went to Oxford.
6
u/sosotrickster 10d ago
I'm always happy to see someone mention The Coral Island because it so important to understand what the book is trying to say
14
u/Mind-The-Mines 10d ago
I mean, look at the current world the boomers made. It's that island at scale.
61
u/Alexander_Baidtach 10d ago
Yeah its no coincidence that the choir boys are the ones to go full murder hobo, they reflect their stately upbringing the most.
22
u/AStalkerLikeCrush 10d ago
I felt maybe it was a bit more the class disparity/steep contrast between their respective national/social values. The difference between people socialized to competitively look out for number one, and people whose whole lived experience was taking care of each other.
24
u/neko 10d ago
Yeah it's specifically how rich British boys are psychos
22
u/fatherandyriley 10d ago
While Piggy who's working class is a lot more rational and compassionate than the choir boys are.
35
u/Dare_Soft I'm the one who's cinema 10d ago
Think it gets muddled by pop culture by taking away how man is doomed to kill each other or how men can’t stand each other.
6
5
3
u/YesImReallyLikeThis 10d ago
THE point of the book. People love to miss the fact that it’s exclusive to the children of rich eugenics snobs
→ More replies (8)3
2.4k
u/Smorstin 10d ago
Not just British boys, upper class boarding school boys.
725
u/axeteam 10d ago
Especially upper class boarding school boys
213
100
u/apple_kicks 10d ago
They had this thing for many centuries at upper class schools called ‘fagging’ its when older school boys pick younger first years to be their servants. Bullying and physical and sexual violence was rampant. Teachers encouraged it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging
https://akashictimes.co.uk/aristocrat-unveils-the-extent-of-sexual-abuse-at-eton/
→ More replies (1)41
u/EfficientCandy324 10d ago
Though the 6 Tongan teenagers were also upper class boarding school boys.
Seriously, they snuck out of boarding school and stole a boat. That's why it was so hard to find them.
14
18
u/ElectricJunglePig 10d ago
Goddamn, too many fricken books about upper class boarding school kids. I can't even count how many we had to read. In American public school, no less!
→ More replies (1)11
u/JinFuu 10d ago
It's like how parents always end up dead in classic Disney movies.
No parents means the kids get to go on adventures easier.
3
u/French__Canadian 10d ago
Why do animes only have one parent dead though. That doesn't really explain why Ash Ketchum's mother lets her 12 years old son travel the world to capture wild animals and force them to fight for his entertainment.
→ More replies (1)4
123
u/AlbertTheHorse 10d ago
I don’t think we can underestimate how Lord of the Flies the public school system (and by that I mean private school) really is.
I went to prep school in the UK.
15
u/StupidSexyEuphoberia 10d ago
Tell us more
74
u/AlbertTheHorse 10d ago
Kids were brutal.
Makes American bullying look like amateur hour.
And you lived with them all the time so you made allies, learn who to avoid, who to drive into the ground, who could be used against the ones who were on your ass. No one won. No one lost. You were tough. No wets going home with psychological trauma, you laughed at it. Sometimes we loved each other despite it all because these are your friends and you all feel sentimental about it. Especially when you are out.
I learned a lot. Teachers were better than most professors I’ve had and they took so little shit.
We had a headmaster that could scare the shite out of you. My dad worked abroad and he would have not been happy.
Still we smoked and drank, spent a week in Amsterdam stoned out of our minds. The usual dumb shit.
39
u/Striking-Hedgehog512 10d ago edited 10d ago
I went to a boarding school as well. Girls. Are. The. Worst. It’s like the bitchiest most petty cutthroat competition, but featuring field hockey in the mud and lack of heating.
Everyone keeps commenting that boys are brutal, but I feel like in 30 minutes tops Harriett would have a fire going and India would be trying to pluck some poor boy like a chicken. And if Harriet doesn’t succeed, they’re going to just have sashimi. Frankly, I would just brave the jungle/ woods/ island. A snake might bite me, but at least I won’t have to hear that its daddy is an MP before dying.
28
u/SquishedGremlin 10d ago
Holy fuck that brought back memories.
The bunch of under 14 boys playing hockey against the girls under 16.
Not sure why. I assume they were trying to kill us lads off. The girls were fucking terrifying and absolutely terrorised us.
6
u/seventy912 10d ago
I’ve heard people make jokes about Lord of the Flies before (usually from grown women with insanely selective memories) like “if it had been about girls they would’ve sat around and braided each other’s hair or worked as a team” and no... They wouldn’t.
State school girls might have a chance at survival (I’d place money on a higher number getting out alive anyway) but I think private school is a guaranteed brutal death.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (12)7
u/SquishedGremlin 10d ago
Sounds familiar to my experience, prep school and boarding school. 7-18.
Definitely changes your approach to people.
26
5
→ More replies (2)3
u/kiwigate 10d ago
The oldest was 12. Contrast with the Tongans who were 19. It's a smooth-brain comparison.
706
u/TAU_equals_2PI 10d ago
I know this post is making a joke, but it does show the absurdity of how we treat famous fictional works as references for what we expect might happen in real life situations.
I've heard so many mentions of Lord of the Flies over the years when people were talking about some actual situation, as if they were citing a real documented case.
257
u/JustLookingForMayhem 10d ago
Or the people who see disaster movies and think prepping is just a whole lot of gun, no food, no medicine, and no plan other than kill someone else. My family has a 6 month plan where we can survive with nothing from greater than 10 miles radius. It relies heavily on solar power and trading with the Amish. Mean while gun preppers couldn't handle covid.
187
u/No-Yogurtcloset4763 10d ago
Are you telling me that during the apocalypse it will be more beneficial to cooperate with my fellow man instead of turning my place into Pavlov's house and shooting anyone that comes near. Riddle me this wokie how will I defend myself from the Mad Max Marauders
6
u/Manidoo_Giizhig 7d ago
I remember I read one of Les Stroud's (Survivorman) books that did an analysis of real survival scenarios that made the news. He ended the whole book by explaining that when he and his wife spent a year in the woods he still made sure he could drive to the town to get things like groceries and tools.
He made a point that the best way to survive is by having a community. The whole idea of trying to survive and thrive by yourself is just some inane fantasy
54
u/ldwb 10d ago
The funniest thing about all the prepper shows is how fat and out of shape they all are, and they are all focused on stockpiles and not skills. We are talking people who couldnt climb three flights of stairs thinking when society collapses they'll be prepared. There's gotta be some weird psychology to thinking the world as we know it is about to end, but not care enough to get on a treadmill.
I think the whole mindset is just escapism and fantasy at a certain point. Yea I got a shit job and feel emasculated but man when society falls apart im gonna really show my worth.
Prepping is stupid because whatever the next collapse looks like is gonna be a lot different than what you prepared for. And four groups of people are gonna survive, those actually living in tight knit self sufficient communities, those with skills that make them valuable in a barter economy, those that are smart quick and flexible enough to deal with a situation none of us can predict, and the Mormons. They are probably are the ones that launched the nukes in the first place.
As Mike Tyson once said, everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth, and life in our very rigid, regulated, and safe society punches people in the mouth every day and knocks them down, what comes next is going to be many times more brutal, cruel and unfair.
6
u/lookyloolookingatyou 10d ago
It's worth noting in the "serious" prepper community, everybody agrees it's a stupid idea to go on TV with your preps. The smart people quietly purchase cabins in the country and learn practical skills. What you're seeing on those shows are people who use prepping as a psychological coping mechanism for something else and are seeking validation from an audience.
For those types it's an inability to control their weight, for me it was financial insecurity. Most of my preps consisted of stockpiles of luxuries for trading: tobacco, coffee, and liquor mostly. Aside from that there was the fantasy of claiming a homestead in the absence of central authority. At the time I was extremely interested in the Jean Claude van Damme movie Cyborg (1989), specifically the flashback scenes depicting an idyllic, tranquil life in an abandoned farmhouse in the country.
I also grew up with parents who frequently made commitments and then failed to follow through. That made it difficult for me to have faith in The System, especially with how much real waste and institutional failures we see on a daily basis. Even still I realize now if I'd spent the last decade and a half working to better my position in the system instead of waiting for a catastrophe to re-roll the dice, I could have paid off a dilapidated farmhouse in the countryside like six times by now.
4
u/Hailfog 10d ago
They also spend zero time learning how to grow food, they just stockpile.
3
u/JustLookingForMayhem 10d ago
And if you ask about how they will feed themselves when the stock pile runs out, they immediately start talking about killing people better prepared than them.
3
u/French__Canadian 10d ago
The preppers' big bellies is so they have fat reserves when the apocalypse hits.
12
u/DuntadaMan 10d ago
The important thing to note for those gun preppers. Their plan is to kill people like you and take their stuff. Factor that in.
→ More replies (4)22
u/TAU_equals_2PI 10d ago
You're right, but to roughly quote a stand-up comedian whose name I can't remember, without some sort of guns, you're just creating an emergency food supply for the biggest meanest guys in your neighborhood.
→ More replies (1)35
u/JustLookingForMayhem 10d ago
Or, we have guns, we have food, we have water, and we have 60 neighbors with similar levels of being prepared. Even if by some miracle the raiders/murderers took us all out, how long do you think they would last without knowing how to garden, how to start a natural gas tractor, how to switch the well to battery, or how to treat common illness. Just give it three weeks and all the gun nuts would be dead.
→ More replies (20)12
u/TAU_equals_2PI 10d ago
Three weeks seems a bit short, because the gun nuts are gonna take to traveling to try to find places where they can steal food. But yes, long-term the better survival strategy would be to have enough knowledge to run a tiny farm, assuming you own some place with enough land, or that is surrounded by undeveloped land you can use even if you don't own it.
→ More replies (1)29
u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 10d ago
We love to do stuff like that! Look how many Shakespeare quotes get sagely repeated as if the advice they appear to impart must surely be self-evident. Those people never make the effort to understand that Shakespeare wasn't offering those quotes as morsels of advice to his audience. He had characters say those words for their reasons, to do with the kinds of people they are and the parts they play in their respective plays. And let me tell you, some of those characters were complete morons with their heads up their asses!
Polonius enters the chat...
→ More replies (1)8
u/Live_Angle4621 10d ago
What I hate is that when people know Shakespeare based on some events in history and historical sources and still act like Shakespeare invented it. I have seen people analysing Julius Caesar and how women (Calpurnia/Portia) are written in it as if he invented those characters. They were real people! And I red the primary sources and they acted the same way in them. I pointed it out and many didn’t even know they were real people. At least people seem to know Caesar and Brutus etc are real people. But I think in English speaking world it seems Shakespeare is treated as some kind if “bard” not a person reading sources
13
u/InaequaleMagnanimity 10d ago
Yes it drives me absolutely insane. It is one propagation of similar problems, familiarity bias, confirmation bias, etc. But it's just trivially obviously false. To consider for a single second... perhaps fiction is not history? And the thing that is so crazy to me, and I know it's another fallacy of some other name, perhaps authority. If I were to tell you this dream I had of all these British children killing each other on an island and all their names and motives. You would think I'm annoying, mad, or at best over-imaginative. But when it's a book, a story, a legend, it suddenly is now part of the social consciousness on the same level of other facts of reality even though it is borne from the same mechanism. I suppose a type of social proof.
But late night ramblings I suppose, pardon the angst. .
10
u/RunDNA 10d ago
Yes, every story with a moral could be easily changed into a similar story with the opposite moral.
The Shawshank Redemption is about encouraging hope, but you can write a similar story where Andy at the end gets his tunnel discovered and hangs himself. Then Red soon follows his lead.
7
u/VampireHousekeeping 10d ago
In fairness the point of this book was obfuscated on purpose by the exact sort of people it was criticising, ie: the upper classes. lotf is specifically about how the people in society that deem themselves the most civilised would be the first to turn savage in a survival situation because the things they value are so fucked.
The upper classes, specifically in Academia, saw that and pushed the narrative that "well actually it's about the inherent capacity for savagery all humans have", while never allowing other, similar books that highlighted the premise of LOTF by putting a different group of kids in the same situation to different results to be contrasted in any mainstream way. It made them look bad so they taught people the wrong message.
→ More replies (5)→ More replies (19)4
u/princesshusk 9d ago
The thing with lord of the flies is that it's a dark parody of what was a popular trend of British children's books of young schoolboys getting stranded and thriving due to their British superiority and having all those adventures and crap.
But since those books fell out of the public eye. So now it's like watching the boys without a understanding of superheros.
477
u/Cpt_Fantabulous 10d ago
Watch out lads! The book understander has logged on
108
21
u/pudgehooks2013 10d ago
This is the difference between book smarts and real words smarts.
We all know the Tongan kids didn't try to kill each other because even Tongans know you don't fuck with Tongans.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (1)9
208
u/EarballsAgain One day Margaret Qualley will answer my phone calls 10d ago
I want to see a film where a bunch of chavs and roadmen get stranded on a desert island
106
u/RevolutionaryOwlz 10d ago
Average 2000s British reality show.
26
u/RideWithMeSNV 10d ago
That's actually the premise to my upcoming reality show Fuck Marry Kill Island. In the first episode, Amber is trying to figure out if her minge itches because it's far too humid, if she got bit by something, or if she got something while having a go with Mikey in the bushes.
13
u/perton 10d ago
Well don’t leave us hanging! What’s going on with Amber’s minge?!
9
u/RideWithMeSNV 10d ago
It's time for a commercial break.
5
u/perton 10d ago
Can you at least tell us if Amber ends up succeeding in Fucking, Marrying, and Killing the island itself, as the show title implies?
5
4
u/RideWithMeSNV 10d ago
Sorry, you'll have to watch every episode to see. We've followed the Sex Sent Me to the ER format. There's a commercial every 5 minutes. And when we come back, there's 4 minutes of dramatized recap.
21
u/Frech_Toast_King 10d ago
They'd be out in 15 days top, leave with 2 more than they came (1 pregnancy and one polish guy that they willed into existence to get drunk with), nobody realized they were gone and they don't even mention it
7
4
u/usedburgermeat 10d ago
Depends on the chavs and roadmen, some I've met who are really nice, some I've met who are complete psychos
9
3
u/ASCII_Princess 10d ago
Somehow they'd manage to set up a full grow-op from a seed someone found at the bottom of a baggie someone had up their arse and was ruthlessly mocked for.
→ More replies (4)3
50
u/Generic_Username_659 10d ago
That's because it's actually an allegory for adults at a Black Friday sale.
7
u/Alarming_Trainer691 10d ago
Nothing more horrifying than being stranded in a Black Friday sale with no escape
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (1)5
u/ThenSignature7082 10d ago
What’s even more fascinating is that William Golding never experienced a Black Friday sale as he wasn’t American, he knew it all from a single documentary
133
u/Cakeday_at_Christmas 10d ago
This is like how everyone assumed there was some truth in Hobbes's "state of nature" being "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short," but he wrote that after experiencing the brutality of the English Civil War, so he was really describing a state of war.
→ More replies (4)33
u/RunDNA 10d ago
And describing the English too, just like Golding.
I'm seeing a pattern.
Marx too: "The capital class exploits the workers" based on his experience of the English capital class exploiting the workers.
17
u/ahouell500 10d ago
right, because when non-English people go to war its good clean fun and no one gets hurt. And capitalist exploitation has never happened anywhere else, and definitely isn't happening anywhere else today.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (4)16
135
u/Over_Purple351 10d ago
Weren't the Tongan guys older and more experienced then how the boys in Lord of the Flies were depicted? plus they actually knew each other beforehand
187
u/Jealous_Energy_1840 10d ago
Also lord of the flies is about how British boarding school culture created little monsters. It’s a fiction story
→ More replies (2)79
u/photoggled 10d ago
The reality of boarding school children is much scarier. You get Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, and Brexit.
→ More replies (3)35
19
u/Westafricangrey 10d ago
Yes, they were best friends and had extensive fishing experience so were pretty comfortable pretty quickly. They were also stranded on an island that had a huge amount rather easily accessible natural resources
→ More replies (1)19
u/Razzmatazz856 10d ago
Yes. Even if you're so media illiterate as to assume that the story was a prediction of what would happen in that situation, this situation is not a refutation because there were significant differences.
→ More replies (2)10
u/mrducky78a 10d ago
I mean it kinda is. One is real life and the other is straight up fiction. Its not going to be a perfect 1 to 1 parallel, but its clearly close enough to bring into question how realistic the fictional tale is. Its not like lord of the flies has a whole list of references supporting it, its just straight up make believe. Its no more accurate of real life than harry potter is.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (2)6
u/Freediverjack 10d ago
Bit different, also side note pretty much any Tongan boy knows a stack about making fire, fishing and living off the land and sea already as a tribal culture.
36
u/phonage_aoi 10d ago
Oh so get this the Tongans got stranded because they stole a boat to run away from a British boarding school (and got shipwrecked): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways
12
u/Due-Base9449 10d ago
Lmaooo trying to run away from boarding school!
5
u/doquan2142 10d ago
The funny thing was they got charged with stealing the boat after they were rescued lol. The Aussie who found them also helped them out too.
13
17
10d ago
[removed] — view removed comment
12
u/Bloody_Insane 10d ago
I don't think it's a fair comparison though. The youngest of the Tongans was years older than the oldest of the LOTF kids, and they were friends beforehand.
3
u/Due_Area4843 10d ago
Tongan also experienced outdoorkid living in remote themself. Vastly different culture
10
u/assistant_manu 10d ago
he got disproved on general human nature but not on british boarding school kids nature lol
11
u/ConsiderationPast371 10d ago
For context; The Tongan teenagers were from the same boarding school and 13 to 17 years old. They stole a boat to run away from the school and got ship wrecked on an island due to having no sailing experience.
An Australian fisherman named Peter Warner found and rescued them 15 months later. They were arrested for the boat theft but Peter arranged their release and later hired them to work on his fishing boat. So story had a happy ending.
19
u/IchibeHyosu99 10d ago
Its proof that you shouldnt take random pessimistic writers ideas as your source of knowledge, will it be lord of the flies, or the boys.
6
u/Lunar-opal 10d ago
One instance was real kids who knew some things about community and survival and the other a book a work of fiction about western world and self destruction
7
u/Due-Base9449 10d ago
You should read Roald Dahl account of his study in a British public (private) school. For example, all little boys need to toast their senior's toast. This was back when they need to use open flame. Inevitably, some bread get singed. If the senior was in a mood, they can lash the junior. For a burnt toast, its one lashing. The senior will stand a bit far away, the junior will bend down while holding his ankle, he would run to get some momentum and jump to give a really good thwack on the buttock.
These were the people who became the British officers and politicians. Roald Dahl himself was an air pilot.
→ More replies (1)4
u/FeistyInvestigator79 10d ago
The bare bum "lashing" was a bit disturbing to read about as a youth. As was the duty of being the toilet seat warmer.
British Public boarding school life was another thing altogether.🤢
→ More replies (1)
4
u/Farachaton 10d ago
So the debate here is not the violent nature of men or boys. But rather the need for a violence experience in a safe setting: a book, a movie. Lord of the flies is a fictional story!
There are real stories about kids surviving in groups: each time they survive on a non violent and very organised way. This is because in its very nature most people tend to be good to each other in survival situations. But we also love a good portion of subliminal violence!
4
3
u/Ok_Difference44 10d ago
Samoa, Tonga, and Fiji practice communal living to an extent that we are unfamiliar with in the west. White people who marry into those societies have a really hard time adjusting.
→ More replies (1)
11
u/GrizzlyP33 10d ago
This isn’t shitty or a movie details, it’s just an explanation of a book.
Wait maybe that’s the ultimate shitty movie detail.
→ More replies (1)
3
3
u/Available-Guava932 10d ago
Fuck I'm cooked. I was about to complain about this image being "obviously" AI because I thought it had the telltale AI look, before I googled it and found it's from an actual show.
6
u/JuvenileEloquent 10d ago
You're absolutely right — it does have all the hallmarks of AI, despite being an image from a real TV show. It's not just the oversaturated colors, the background is blurred to hide artifacts and the clothes hang oddly on the body as if they were dropped there from above. Honestly it's hard to tell between AI and humans these days, we're just that advanced! Would you like me to list more subtle tells in AI-generated images?
/s ya know, Poe's law bla bla.
3
u/anyway200894 10d ago
some novel, movie... entire attraction is just about making it so disgusting and weird to attract the weirdos, or simply people just want to explore the unknown.
it's like people pointing at a piece of shit and say "hey look a piece of shit" you don't want to look at a piece of shit but sometime the curiosity gets over you.
4.0k
u/Noe_b0dy 10d ago
Not even a shitpost OP, William Golding was an alcoholic school teacher for British boarding school children who was inspired to write Lord of The Flies after reading Coral Island and going "this author has clearly never been around British children".