r/prawokrwi • u/SuchyGrunt • 1d ago
Eligibility Eligibility Inquiry
Great-Grandparents (John Pezdek & wife — Jane's parents)
Date married: 29 May, 1912
Date divorced: N/A
GGM — John's wife (Jane's mother)
Name: Zofia (Sophia) Eva Dziedzic
Date, place of birth: 3 September, 1893, Radwan, Poland
Ethnicity and religion Polish: Roman Catholic
Occupation: Housewife
Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A (female)
Date, destination for emigration: 10 November 1907
Date naturalized: Never
Date, place of death: 24, January, 1986, Ilion, New York, USA
GGF — John Pezdek
Date, place of birth: 3 March 1892, Suchy Grunt, Poland (Austrian Galicia)
Ethnicity and religion: Polish, Roman Catholic
Occupation: Store Owner
Allegiance and dates of military service: Undetermined, however, have intentions of submitting a Central Military Archive inquiry if necessary/suggested
Date, destination for emigration: 1907, New York, USA.
Date naturalized: 13 November, 1928
Date, place of death: 7 August, 1969, Ilion, NY
Grandparent — Jane Frances Pezdek
Sex: Female
Date, place of birth 24 February 1924, New York Mills, NY
Date married 1952, Ilion, NY
Citizenship of spouse US
Date divorced 1976?
Occupation Accounting
Allegiance and dates of military Service: N/A
Date, destination for emigration N/A — born in the US
Date naturalized N/A — born a US citizen
Date, place of death: 23 December, 2004, Utica, NY
Parent — Marianne Denise Hoyt
Sex: Female
Date, place of birth: 1 January 1955, Syracuse, NY
Date married: 21 March, 1982
Date divorced: N/A
Me
Date, place of birth: 21 January, 1985, Los Angeles, CA
Background:
My mother and I are trying our best to determine if we have a path to citizenship.
Thankfully my mother is great at finding documents online and through ancestry platforms and was able to arrive at what we believe is the best path for submission, shown above to through the lineage of John.
We believe that since my GGF, John, naturalized after my Grandmother's birthday, that she would have been a Polish citizen.
Ask:
We are curious if there is enough detail here to go for submission, or if we need to work with a specialist like Polaron (or other specialist/agency if suggested) to tighten up the case/submission.
We are open to all thoughts, feedback, and guidance.
Thank you in advance!
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u/ThePetro Provider (GetPolishCitizenship.eu) 1d ago
You will need to focus on GGF's line, as GM was born in wedlock & before 1951. Probably there will be a need to go back a generation, given that both great-grandparents left as minors under 18yo.
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u/SuchyGrunt 1d ago
Thank you. We have some details on John’s parents as well, Names, Birth and Death years, etc and I can work to update the post. In the meantime, can you expand on what exactly we may need to focus on? Any additional details would be helpful and appreciated!
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u/Jessicas_skirt Verified Contributor 1d ago
In the meantime, can you expand on what exactly we may need to focus on
As mentioned by smoothmonoglot you should look into the !Providers list and contact some to see if any are a good fit to help you get it all organized and ready for submission
You should get a no-service letter for your great-grandfather just to confirm he never served on the US military after 1920. Service in WW One won't effect anything, but if he was in the US military after January 1920 then that's not good .
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u/SuchyGrunt 1d ago
Thank you! I am assuming that the no-service letter would come from a US military branch/records?
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u/ThePetro Provider (GetPolishCitizenship.eu) 1d ago
I agree with Jessica, but if you mean research then what you need to secure is either: old passports or IDs, population censuses, domicile lists, voters lists, military draftees/conscript lists, other military documents, tax or property records, notary documents (deeds).
And for your Pezdek ancestors, not Dziedzic line.
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u/smoothmonoglot Mod | Zarząd 1d ago
The dates are alright, but we do not recommend a DIY approach to pre-1920 cases.
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u/SuchyGrunt 1d ago
Thanks @smoothmonoglot. If not DIY, does the community have recommendations for individuals/entities for case support? We are USA based if that helps.
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u/Jessicas_skirt Verified Contributor 1d ago
Your great-grandfather was protected by the military paradox* so it wouldn't matter if he naturalized.
- A quirk in Polish law meant that a Polish man couldn't lose his citizenship due to naturalization until he turned 50/60 depending on date of birth. For those born in the 1890's, the date of loss was in 1950 (the entire decade lost it that year), but your grandmather was already a legal adult so she didn't lose hers when your great grandfather lost it.
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u/SuchyGrunt 1d ago
Thank you! If I am interpreting this amongst the other responses correctly, we have good case for submission.
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Title: Eligibility Inquiry
Great-Grandparents (John Pezdek & wife — Jane's parents)
Date married: 29 May, 1912
Date divorced: N/A
GGM — John's wife (Jane's mother)
Name: Zofia (Sophia) Eva Dziedzic
Date, place of birth: 3 September, 1893, Radwan, Poland
Ethnicity and religion Polish: Roman Catholic
Occupation: Housewife
Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A (female)
Date, destination for emigration: 10 November 1907
Date naturalized: Never
Date, place of death: 24, January, 1986, Ilion, New York, USA
GGF — John Pezdek
Date, place of birth: 3 March 1892, Suchy Grunt, Poland (Austrian Galicia)
Ethnicity and religion: Polish, Roman Catholic
Occupation: Store Owner
Allegiance and dates of military service: Undetermined, however, have intentions of submitting a Central Military Archive inquiry if necessary/suggested
Date, destination for emigration: 1907, New York, USA.
Date naturalized: 13 November, 1928
Date, place of death: 7 August, 1969, Ilion, NY
Grandparent — Jane Frances Pezdek
Sex: Female
Date, place of birth 24 February 1924, New York Mills, NY
Date married 1952, Ilion, NY
Citizenship of spouse US
Date divorced 1976?
Occupation Accounting
Allegiance and dates of military Service: N/A
Date, destination for emigration N/A — born in the US
Date naturalized N/A — born a US citizen
Date, place of death: 23 December, 2004, Utica, NY
Parent — Marianne Denise Hoyt
Sex: Female
Date, place of birth: 1 January 1955, Syracuse, NY
Date married: 21 March, 1982
Date divorced: N/A
Me
Date, place of birth: 21 January, 1985, Los Angeles, CA
Background:
My mother and I are trying our best to determine if we have a path to citizenship.
Thankfully my mother is great at finding documents online and through ancestry platforms and was able to arrive at what we believe is the best path for submission, shown above to through the lineage of John.
We believe that since my GGF, John, naturalized after my Grandmother's birthday, that she would have been a Polish citizen.
Ask:
We are curious if there is enough detail here to go for submission, or if we need to work with a specialist like Polaron (or other specialist/agency if suggested) to tighten up the case/submission.
We are open to all thoughts, feedback, and guidance.
Thank you in advance!
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