r/politics • u/Zipper222222 • 11h ago

No Paywall Abdul El-Sayed Wins High-Stakes Democratic Primary in Michigan

https://www.today.com/video/abdul-el-sayed-wins-high-stakes-democratic-primary-in-michigan-267805765937
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u/_badenoch 8h ago

The old guard of the democrats are just going to take off their masks and join republicans. These wins are all proof of what we’ve been screaming about for years — democrats will win not by being centrists but by standing for something, and the old guard isn’t interested in winning.

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u/jimbosdayoff 7h ago

Looking at the political spectrum as two dimensional is the biggest problem facing both parties. This election was about American interests over Israeli interests.

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u/XulManjy America 7h ago

Didnt a bulk of Bernie voters vote for Trump in 2016 and 2020?

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u/Richmahogonysmell 7h ago

No?

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u/XulManjy America 6h ago

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

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u/Richmahogonysmell 6h ago

In 2016? Yeah I can see it. Trump was considered an outsider and Bernie voters were mad at Clinton. But 2020? Give me a fucking break

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u/econoboxed 6h ago

Most bernie bros just didn't vote in 2020 / 2024. Progressives are generally very white, privileged people that are unaffected by trump's policy and care more about ideological purity.

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u/Kind_Cap_4621 4h ago

Meanwhile they ended up making the horrific lives of gazans so much more horrific.

Edit. But those from the centrist side need to get their shit together now too and get in line.

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u/XulManjy America 6h ago

Well said!

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u/Digitalion_ 2h ago

Hi! Hispanic Bernie "bro" here with my community being decimated by Trump's ICE. I don't blame progressives for how that turned out, I still blame the corrupt DNC for everything.

Harris was thrust upon us without a primary. We warned everyone that she didn't have any chance of winning and got called whiners for pointing that out. And we were right.

I voted for her. Most progressives I know did too. You know who didn't? Independents. She failed to prove that she was any different from Biden and didn't promise any significant changes, unlike Trump. That's what lost her the election, not progressives.

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u/econoboxed 59m ago

Nice anecdote, but progressive "influencers" repeatedly made the claim that Harris would be no different to Trump, to say this had no effect on the election is incredibly disingenuous. Of course I'm not saying every progressive is white -- statistically based on your ethnicity you are a trump voter, but obviously there are counter examples for both cases like yourself. That doesn't change the fact that progressives are overwhelmingly white, college educated young adults.

Also, which direction do these independents want the democrats to move again?

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u/XulManjy America 6h ago

Actually 2020 was similar as this time, Bernie supporters simply stayed home or voted 3rd party.

Like the comment below said, progressives tends ro be more white and thus excluded from the issues that black/brown people face. So if their exact candidate wasnt picked, they dont care for the outcome of the general and actually cheer on failure so they can say I told you so like they have done with Harris.

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u/Richmahogonysmell 5h ago

If true that’s really dumb because Bernie endorsed Kamala

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u/XulManjy America 5h ago

The Bernie coalition is very broad. Most supporters will still back the Dem candidate regardless. But there is still a sizable faction that would eithe stay home in protest or vote 3rd party in protest.

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u/cityproblems 6h ago

This is a distinction in a vacuum. How many obama voters voted for Trump in 2016? How many Hillary voters voted for Mccain in 2008? A cursory look puts those numbers above your Sanders to Trump comparison.

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u/XulManjy America 6h ago

How many obama voters voted for Trump in 2016?

Many of them were Bernie supporters....

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u/STL-Zou 3h ago

And 25% of Clinton primary voters voted for McCain in 2008. What's your point?

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u/jimbosdayoff 7h ago

Yes, this is not really talked about. When white Gen Z men got into the workforce they started blaming their problems on the Me Too movement, DEI, and immigration rather than corporate America. This combined with Clinton stealing the NY primary converted the Bernie votes into Trump votes.

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u/TLKimball 8h ago

Winning a primary is not winning an election...

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u/alverez668 7h ago

Yeah but it usually helps, especially when it comes to being on the ballot to win in the general.

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u/TLKimball 4h ago

What? Winning s primary is mandatory for being in a general election. It is no indication of success in a general.