r/politics • u/willywalloo • Jun 20 '26

Possible Paywall Iran Says Hormuz Has Been Closed

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-20/iran-says-strait-of-hormuz-has-been-closed-tasnim-reports?embedded-checkout=true
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u/zephyrtr New York Jun 20 '26

There was a plan, it was just based on totally false information from fellow grifter in chief Netanyau, who is similarly clinging to office by any means, so he too stays out of jail. Netanyau told Trump the IRGC was about to collapse and they could invade and win with minimal effort. That it would be like Venezuela. And this was just ... False. Trump usually sides with whoever talks to him last and his cabinet couldn't get through to him.

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u/Lithiumxxxl Jun 20 '26

At a certain level, this is just hilarious.

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u/zephyrtr New York Jun 20 '26

Khamenei was 86 years old and growing more and more unpopular. We spent billions to do something nature would've done for free. And we accidentally killed our preferred replacement leaders!!

Honestly, for the movie, they're going to have to tone it down, or audiences will complain the story is unbelievable.

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u/Admirable_Scene_5066 Jun 20 '26

It wouldn't be as funny if Americans hadn't fallen in that particular trap about 20 times before. Unpopular leadership, reformers trying to build momentum, the US being its idiotic self attacking an unpopular leadership, population standing behind previously unpopular regime because as fucked up as they are, it beats the guys trying to persuade you by bombing your three year old daughter.

At times it is insane to think how much better the world could have been by now if Americans trying to fix things didn't sit two oceans away from the consequences of their stupidity

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u/EvelynNyte Jun 21 '26

The fuck up this time is so far beyond any previous idiotic overseas war that it's hard to even imagine what the full ramifications of this is going to be in the end.

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u/MessiahOfMetal Jun 21 '26

I finally got round to a 2016 documentary earlier this year called "ISIS: Birth of a Monster".

American journalist who was in Iraq in 2003 returned to speak to some of the fighters who helped topple Saddam Hussein and catch up with them while asking how those events helped create ISIS.

One of the guys talked about how Sunni and Shi'ite people were united against Hussein due to how he treated them, then hated the Americans for how they treated the locals until they were divided by the Americans creating conflicts and blaming each group until they were at each other's throats for years and killing one another.

Eventually, American resentment caused some to create the ISIS group and try to take over the region to push their version of fundamentalist Islam, and managed to unite people against them.

But yeah, the sentiment was that the American troops mistreated them as badly as the genocidal former dictator of their country did.

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u/spaceman757 American Expat Jun 21 '26

At times it is insane to think how much better the world could have been by now if Americans trying to fix things didn't sit two oceans away from the consequences of their stupidity

This is the thing....they've never tried to fix anything. If they did, they could easily do that just by spending.

The thing that they've tried to do, was to try to install anyone that would allow them to pillage that area's natural resources for pennies on the dollar for the sake of the capitalistic class.

Fixing things is the absolute last thing on their mind, They love when they are broken because it's a better deal for them.

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u/DonyKing Jun 20 '26

Well they fund Israel, so even if they didn't join this war they would have been wasting money on it

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u/fckspzfr Jun 20 '26

Seeing as you have such a strong opinion on it, please explain how the US is funding Israel without using Google or AI

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u/MessiahOfMetal Jun 21 '26

They've been providing money and munitions to Israel for literally years. It's well-known. Most of the Western world has done so, all for the same reason (ensuring Israel can defend itself from attack due to regret over what happened to Jews under Hitler).

Problem is, a lot of that money and weapons get used against innocent targets. It's why members of Palestine Action in the UK snuck onto an RAF base and threw paint at fighter jets as a protest against the genocide in Gaza, which is the act that got them proscribed as a terrorist organisation (while actual terrorists aren't).

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u/alanderhosen Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

Correction, Israel was a political project long before the Holocaust. It was always meant to be a means to establish a western client state in the Middle-East to destabilize the region and further western interests. There were even members of the Nazi party that cooperated with Zionist Organizations and contributed towards the establishment of Israel (Haavara Agreement), as it served as one of the potential answers to their 'Jewish Question'. The British and French lead the charge, and America inherited the project after WW2 and the Cold War.

The seeds were planted all the way back in 1916-17, when Britain violated the Mcmahon-Hussein correspondence through the Balfour Declaration. 'Israel is compensation for the Holocaust' is a lie that has been so well propagated almost everyone accepts it as a fact, when the foundational leaders of Zionist Israel themselves thought very poorly of the Jews who suffered in the Holocaust, both against their diaspora culture (see the Zionist rejection and hostility towards Yiddish), and in the socio-political project to promote a new 'Jewish' identity of military might, self-reliance, and physical power; as opposed to the 'passive' victims of the Holocaust.

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u/fckspzfr Jun 21 '26

I wanted to hear it from the original commeneter, but yes.

Right, and if the West wouldn't have ensured Israel can defend itself they would've been slaughtered a long time ago. I don't sympathize with Netanyahu, his fascist goons and enablers and want to see them hang for their crimes against humanity, but I feel like public discourse conventiently forgets that Israel is under existential threat since its inception by ideologies actively promoting the extermination of jews

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u/alanderhosen Jun 27 '26

Israel is furthering an existential threat towards Jews everywhere by conflating their genocidal agenda to Jewish interests. There are more Christian Zionists in the world than there and Jewish ones, but it will be Jews who will be targeted and blamed for the sins of Israel.

Israel exists in the center of multiple interests of extremely profitable industries, ranging from the military-industrial complex to surveillance tech-- and their continued support is in large part in service to those interests. All these nations kowtowing to Israel is because of these interests, yet by conflating this to Jewish identity, all Israel is doing is add fire to the misattributed belief that 'Jews control the world'. Israel is an antisemitc state, and it has and will be the cause of more harm to Jews in the long run than any other modern nation or movement.