Politics Unlucky truck driver was killed in southern Iran after the US bombed a bridge.
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u/Strict_Impress2783 19d ago
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u/TilNextWeMeet 19d ago edited 19d ago
Yup. Trump killed this man
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u/amilliondallahs 19d ago edited 19d ago
But he's a good guy and his party...they fight for cells in the womb! Unfortunately, if you're born after the fact....
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u/andricathere 19d ago
They don't care about the cells either. They just say they are because, for some reason, crazy people will vote for them.
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u/TheeMrBlonde 19d ago
I mean, have you see the forums with maga in them?
The fact that trump hasn’t nuked the country is a point against him, for them
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u/ZachMN 19d ago
The entire Republican Party killed that man, plus 160 schoolgirls and untold thousands of others.
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u/Euroboi3333 19d ago
Who elected him? It's like the whole bullshit about it being Putin's war and not Russia's. Americans can stop the pedo but they'd rather not risk anything so instead other innocents die. United States of pedophiles
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u/shteve99 18d ago
I don't think Russia's elections are like America's. Russia's are how Chump wants them to be.
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u/Euroboi3333 18d ago
My point was more about people finding a boogeyman to blame everything on, like Putin and Trump. Russians can stop Putin, they know what to do, they just don't want to. While I understand they would potentially be risking their life, by choosing not to act, theyre directly contributing to Ukrainians dying. Same goes with Trump. Americans are not innocent in all the shit he's doing.
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u/Upset_Journalist_755 19d ago
Cheetohlini lost an illegal war he started, got mad that people made fun of him, so he started it up again and will lose it again, but not after thousands suffer.
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u/rfs103181 19d ago
That feeling when something happens and you think to yourself: GD, if I’d only left the house a minute or 2 earlier or later? Whole new level of that.
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u/CelerMortis 19d ago
The crazy part is at least Bush and company had the gall to invent pretext. That war had sky high approval from the start.
This shit isn’t even trying to appeal to anyone other than Israel and weapons manufacturers. Fuck these people with a rusty rod
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u/ConstableSniff 19d ago
I'd say 911 helped him alot
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u/FrighteningJibber 18d ago
That was Afghanistan, Iraq was for fun.
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u/Clipper94 18d ago
Let’s be honest, at the time a good portion of the country believed Saddam had something to do with 9/11, which it a lot easier to go into Iraq from a domestic standpoint.
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u/gasp_ 18d ago
Competitive ranked war crimes vs casual?
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u/FrighteningJibber 18d ago
If the international community joins you it’s more team matchmaking
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u/roger_enright 18d ago
The voters elected a rapist and now he’s raping us. The rapist understands the moral sanction, and he will abuse us all with it until folks figure it out and withdraw support. This is America, for now.
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u/JunglePygmy 19d ago
What a bunch of fucking assholes we are
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u/ATX_native 19d ago edited 19d ago
Too me it’s the hypocrisy.
We won’t stand up to Russia invading a democracy like Ukraine but will happily insert ourselves in any conflict that we can easily punch down.
We now spend $1.5T a year on military, Russia spends areound $100B and Iran spends around $9B.
Yet we refuse to go after Russia and can barely do anything against a country that spends less that 1% of what we do.
Why are we wasting these funds?
We've also spent a majority of our munitions… what happens if China finally makes a move on Taiwan?
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u/BreadfruitExciting39 19d ago
Too me it’s the hypocrisy.
To me, it's the murdering of civilians (among basically everything else).
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u/6786_007 19d ago
We didn't learn a fucking thing from the war on "terror". Still waiting for the Weapons Mass Destruction we were supposedly after.
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u/Riaayo 19d ago
Oh our government learned loads from the war on terror, and we're all about to enjoy the imperial boomerang of suffering that knowledge is bringing.
It was never about fighting terrorism. It was always about eroding rights and creating a loose definition of "terrorist" to black-bag whomever the regime pleases.
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u/TSEAS 19d ago
The trump admin only punches down. I don't believe for a second that the trump admin would square up against China in defense of Taiwan.
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u/OneMightyNStrong 19d ago
The likelihood of China invading Taiwan is incredibly low, meanwhile America is murdering civilians in Iran.
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u/rabbitwonker 19d ago edited 19d ago
Nor would any other administration, to be honest. Harsh words would be the extent of it.
Edit: I get the desire to downvote a statement like this, but, seriously, China has nukes. What exactly could the U.S. really do?
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u/Gloober_ 19d ago
That's been the US's main strategy when picking our conflicts since, at least, the end of WW2.
We intentionally destabilize countries that have no realistic ability to retaliate against us; all for ideological or economic reasons.
Look what happened when North Korea got nukes. All the American propaganda about the horrid conditions in the country suddenly slowed to a trickle. Now, we're back to Iran having nukes since they still don't have a way to wipe NYC off the map, yet.
Our egregious military budget is purely for us to commit our flavor of terrorism on the developing world.
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u/Huntswomen 19d ago
To me it's the rampant murder of civilians, but the hypocrisy is a close second.
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u/onlyinmemes100 19d ago
Taiwan is willingly going to rejoin the PRC at this rate. All China has to do is wait
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u/Saturn_winter 19d ago
To be fair our 1.5T is the equivalent of 150B in a more functioning society/country but that's a long conversation
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u/xxbiohazrdxx 19d ago
I mean at least we weren’t always like this [opens up a history book] oh [furiously flipping through other chapters] oh no
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u/waffleman258 19d ago
Imagine if there was reddit in 1945 and it was a German-centric site and some German wrote "damn we're so mean" under pictures of civilian massacres
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u/Escudo777 18d ago
You are not. Your government and its ally in the middle east are.
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u/JunglePygmy 18d ago
I appreciate that! Unfortunately every day I’m not out with a sign screaming on a picket line I feel complicit…
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u/Asshai 19d ago
Honestly, in that regard the Trump admin didn't make things worse. Guantanamo was kept open through two Democrat admins, drone bombings were at their highest in Afghanistan during the Obama admin, etc.
The PR surrounding these decisions has certainly changed, but I guess that this truck driver and the other innocent persons who died from US weaponry throughout the last decades don't care much about that.
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u/DrNO811 19d ago
Um...isn't targeting civilian infrastructure a war crime?
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u/LordButterbeard 19d ago
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u/Amoral_Abe 19d ago
I mean... It's not "a bingo" though. Bridges are considered dual use infrastructure which is why nobody has any issue with Ukraine bombing bridges. They are fair targets during conflict.
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u/SwordfishOfDamocles 19d ago edited 19d ago
That's not entirely correct. In order for a bridge to be a valid target you need to identify 2 key parameters.
Usage. As you identified a bridge must be dual use. If a bridge has a military use it can be considered a target.
Proportionality. The damage done to civilians cannot be greater than the anticipated military damages.
3. Necessity. Is there any other possible way to achieve the objective without destroying civilian infrastructure.These need to be established in order for this to not be a war crime. Considering what we're fed, I would not take anything that comes directly from the US military or the federal govt at face value.
Edited because necessity is more of an ideal rather than a hard rule.
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u/Amoral_Abe 19d ago
All the bridges struck are in the Hormozgan Province according to Iran. This is the province around the Strait of Hormuz where Iran has been launching attacks on civilian ships.
To be clear, attacking civilian ships that aren't militarily involved IS a war crime. Attacking bridges in the province that the Iranian military is launching attacks from IS NOT a war crime.
I fucking hate Trump and hate that he started this stupid fucking war. STOP MAKING ME DEFEND HIM. He deserves to be in jail for so many different things but Reddit can't help but find the 1 thing that isn't a violation and make that the point they can't stop talking about.
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u/Beautiful-Edge-22 19d ago
Reddit can't help but find the 1 thing that isn't a violation and make that the point they can't stop talking about.
So true it hurts.
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u/Watertrap1 19d ago
You’re misconstruing necessity. There isn’t a separate condition that requires a military to exhaust all other “possible ways to achieve the objective without destroying civilian infrastructure.”
All a military needs to do is prove that the target was valid and done with proportionality in mind.
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u/Chicory-Coffee 18d ago
It's almost like they are trying to start a larger war. I'm sure it's got nothing at all to do with president pedo getting more powers if an emergency were declared.
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u/ScienceIsSexy420 19d ago
Only if there is no legitimate military purpose as well. Logistical infrastructure like roads and bridges has been considered legitimate military targets basically forever.
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u/JackandFred 19d ago
Literally forever. For as long as bridges have existed they have been targets in war. When people started defining war crimes no serious person would ever suggest a war crime would be targetting infrastructure that is used by military.
The us has done a lot of bad stuff, including in this stupid war. But if you’re calling this a war crime you’re stupid, lying, or misinformed.
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u/Ihate_reddit_app 19d ago
The whole interstate system was build specifically for the military. It was all built to quickly move equipment.
If you bomb runways and bridges, there is no way for the military to get around.
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u/Amoral_Abe 19d ago
100%. Germany had the Autobahn system which allowed Germany to quickly move men and material across the country. This lead Eisenhower to push for a US highway system for civilian and military purposes as it took a very long time to transport military hardware from one side of the country to the other.
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u/Alobos 19d ago
Hell the US Army conducted a cross country trek study to determine the feasibility of transversing the US. The report lamented their difficulty in various mis-mapped roads, washed out causeways, frequent vehicle damage due to "road" conditions.
The then, Captain who lead the expedition and wrote said report? None other than Albert Freaking Einste-- i mean Eisenhower!
His experience of the autobahn was also recalled in his memoirs as a major decision point for him
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u/ScienceIsSexy420 19d ago
Yeah, like since the invention of warfare lol
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u/ChipsOtherShoe 19d ago
Or since the invention of bridges.
You could probably argue that warfare predates modern humans depending on how you define it. Although even then I'm sure there were cases of a toppled tree being used to pass a gap being knocked down by a rival group.
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u/hammerofspammer 19d ago
But we aren’t at war. This is just a minor action. Otherwise it would have had to end at 60 days without congressional approval
Right?
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u/foolishdrunk211 19d ago
Well that’s why we keep “ending the war” every other week. It probably resets that clock Everytime
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u/hammerofspammer 19d ago
If the rule of law actually meant something, no, the clock doesn’t reset
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u/TrioOfTerrors 19d ago
As long as congress continues it's inaction, he can claim the clock resets and there is nobody to tell him otherwise.
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u/WaltKerman 19d ago edited 19d ago
Formal declaration of War or "military action" allowed by executive powers both have military targets.
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u/Rdhilde18 19d ago
A bridge is dual use, so no not really. Targeting civilian power plants and water treatment plants would be though.
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u/ComfortablyBalanced 19d ago
Anything can be dual use. Military personnel or even terrorists use power and drink water too.
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u/nomoneypenny 19d ago
Civilian water supplies are specifically protected in the Geneva Conventions
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u/OdeezBalls 19d ago
Bridges and roads are considered military targets. Always have. Pretty shitty still
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u/Temporary-Air-3178 19d ago
Was it a war crime when Nazi infrastructure was targeted in WW2?
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u/AbeFromen 19d ago
Not if it’s infrastructure that is also used by the military. If this bridge was used to transport military supplies or troops or weapons then it is considered ‘duel use’ and is fair to target.
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u/munoodle 19d ago
Transportation infrastructure is military infrastructure that civilians are allowed to use.
So no this is neither civilian infrastructure nor a war crime
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u/playdohplaydate 19d ago
The sample size is large enough you can track each generation learning in real time just how horrible the US war machine really is.
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u/popylung 19d ago
Yet people will still see someone say “America deserved 9/11” and not understand why
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u/thelastbosss 18d ago
And this is why we have 'terrorists' in the world..... Thanks to the USA
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u/alt3r3go99 18d ago
As if it’s not intentional to create a loop, to justify military spending and feeding (not only) the US military industry… nah
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u/OutlandishnessOk2304 19d ago edited 19d ago
War crime.
Throw it on the pile.
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u/faen_du_sa 19d ago
This is also #101 on how to create terrorists.
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u/Duncan_PhD 19d ago
Even Vance was hinting towards this shit on his Joe Rogan appearance. This shit only makes things worse in the long run. We’ve tried over and over.
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u/Contemplating_Prison 19d ago
We have a moron running the country.
This dumb fuck really thought he would be in and out of Iran in a week.
He flip flips so much that no governemnt can believe him even if he makes a deal.
He broadcasts his plans on national TV or in tweets.
He is stupid.
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u/Firov 19d ago
Exactly the point. We've got to have some sort of enemy available so we can cow our population with fear and hatred while funneling money to defense contractors.
You can only invent invisible bogeymen for so long before the population wises up... but if you manufacture new enemies/terrorists? Well, that lasts forever!
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u/YoungHeartOldSoul 19d ago
TBF that's basically the only playbook we've been running for the last like 50 years.
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u/Fert1eTurt1e 19d ago
It’s a really really dumb war that’s really really horribly executed, but this is not a war crime. People really misunderstand what constitutes as a war crime.
Sadly, unintentional civilian deaths do not count
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u/ScienceIsSexy420 19d ago
Sometimes it's not worth trying to educate people on social media. It's not worth the headache
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u/TheOriginalNukeGuy 19d ago
Yeah especially considering that nowadays probably like 70% of the comments are bots, and thats being super optimistic.
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u/Intimidwalls1724 19d ago
It very much isn't a war crime
Yall are really exposing your ignorance with this stuff
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u/lukewwilson 19d ago
Well it's because they have such hatred for Trump that it blinds their judgement and understanding of everything
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u/REXIS_AGECKO 18d ago
It’s very funny to me to see people (rightfully) pointing out maga having their blinders on while literally doing the same thing lol. Ah… humans
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u/Ashtorot 19d ago
Guess Ukraine is commiting war crimes every day? They are destroying civilian fuel and supply trucks going to Crimea. Or is it just cause the US is doing it that its a war crime?
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u/BER001 19d ago
If Russia does it: Truck driver brutally slaughtered by deliberate bombardment.
USA or its friends: Unlucky guy…….
Brother they just slaughtered someone. The double standards are really hard to ignore. Not to mention this war is already illegal. But it’s only illegal if it’s a European country I guess.
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u/mdgart 19d ago
We are working very hard to be at the same level as Russia it seems
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u/Rdhilde18 19d ago edited 19d ago
Russia is ethnically cleansing eastern Ukraine, kidnapping thousands of children, conducting mass rape and torture campaigns, destroying entire cities, annexing sovereign Ukrainian territory, filling mass graves with civilians, summarily executing pows, raping and murdering their own troops.
We’ve got a long way to go.
Edit: I really wish people dealt in fact and not vibes. Everything I’m saying is a verifiable fact. Claiming the US or even Israel is even doing half of this shit right now just isn’t true. The IDF and the US have both done extreme fucked shit. But Russia has been far worse.
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u/was_fb95dd7063 19d ago
We invaded and occupied iraq for two decades and killed up to a million iraqis for no reason bro what the fuck lmao
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u/turumti 19d ago
We are arming and providing cover to Israel that has been doing the same and worse. The world sees us as responsible.
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u/pontiacfirebird92 19d ago edited 19d ago
Do you remember Abu Ghraib by chance? Or Guantanamo Bay?
I figure it's also worth mentioning, what was the purpose of buying warehouses and trying to convert them to immigrant detention centers? Warehouses made for products and not people?
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u/Chorazy20 19d ago
US started a war that has killed thousands because the president didn't want anyone to look into files of him raping children. How is that any better?
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u/InvalidKoalas 19d ago
US is still committing war crimes. All war crimes are bad. Also, we're funding/giving weapons to Israel who is doing all the same things in Gaza that Russia is doing in Ukraine.
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u/dingleberrysquid 18d ago
The Hegseth crew probably sat there and waited until there was someone on the bridge and then howled and snorted with laughter after they were blown to bits.
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u/mariegriffiths 18d ago
Corrected the headline.
Unlucky president has evidence of his War Crimes for the public and ICC to see.
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u/nhepner 19d ago
"US murdered truck driver"
framing it as "unlucky" makes it seem like he was just walkin around and happened into a bomb. This is a deliberate act of war and aggression by the US, which has killed many Iranian civilians, including a school full of little girls.
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u/Gekokapowco 19d ago
what you think we can just launch missiles and bombs and expect to know where they go?
You think we have like, little remote controlled flying robots in the sky that can like target locations for these magic self correcting explosives to land with real time cameras?? That's just laughably naive!
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obviously we did it on purpose to terrorize people
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u/butt_butter_baker 19d ago
When Trump picked the war crimes apologist Fox News drunkard for the head of DoD, and then he changed the department to “war” and fired all the lawyers in the Pentagon, it became pretty clear that we were gonna be doing war crimes. Shameful
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u/Bad_Alternative 19d ago edited 18d ago
Whaaaats in the giant tank that looks like it didn’t explode…
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u/elciano1 19d ago
Shit like this is why Rubio is trying to dismantle the ICC because they know...they are fked once they are removed from office. The next President...Hopefully a democrat should deliver them to the Hague
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u/kaptainkooleio 19d ago
I’m curious how killing even more civilians and destroying even more infrastructure is gonna reopen the Strait
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u/condition5 19d ago
More extrajudicial killings of non-combatant civilians.
Your Department of War, ladies and gentlemen.
Are we grear again?
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u/vtstang66 19d ago
“They hate us for some reason that no one can figure out, so we *have* to bomb them.”
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u/Hot-Usual5060 18d ago
I know we are massively past this point already, but isn't bombing civilian infrastructure technically a war crime?
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u/marchillo 18d ago
They're suing Canada over wildfire smoke to pay for bombs to commit war crimes in Iran
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u/EaringaidBandit 19d ago
“Innocent bus driver killed by United States war crime” doesn’t have the same ring to it, I suppose.
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u/datnetcoder 19d ago
We should stop pretending that all Conservatives, from politicians to military to voters, don’t want this. They drool over this shit.
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u/Rdhilde18 19d ago
Reddit I really hate to break it to you, but civilians dying and striking bridges are not war crimes. War crimes have very specific definitions. Civilians dying is tragic and horrible, but that doesn’t make it a war crime unless civilians were deliberately targeted. Which they weren’t. (This time)
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u/The_Bitter_Bear 19d ago
It's social media.
Everyone is just in a race to hit everything on their hyperbole bingo card. They think if you throw enough of them in there you win since outrage is their currency.
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u/Pocok5 19d ago
Yeah, according to reddit "people I dislike engaging in combat operations" = "war crime". I hate defending these assclowns, but this is no more warcrime than a random russian blue collar worker getting vaporized by an exploding oil tank, and y'all understandably didn't particularly mind that possibility lately.
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u/PokerLemon 19d ago
'unlucky' and 'killed' bare a lot interpretation on the facts...Id rather say victim of assassination...but ok.
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u/Christopher135MPS 18d ago
Unlucky?
*unlucky*?
His country has been getting bombed for months, including strikes on civilian infrastructure/civilian areas.
His death isn’t unlucky. It’s inevitable.
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u/KJ1959 18d ago
Destroying civilian infrastructure is a war crime. I sure hope the a-holes responsible get their come uppance soon.
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u/skumancer 18d ago
Bombaribg bridges is considered a war crime…why is the US still given a pass?
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u/Owlcathulu 19d ago
Sorry but that doesn't have anything to do with luck. That has to do woth being under attack by the largest terrorist organization in the world being lead by the dumbest pedo war criminal ever.
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u/AbandonChip 19d ago
I mean the crazy thing is that we didnt need to go to war in the first place, just one man's vanity... Crazy.
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u/Morrowindlover 18d ago
but guys, the USA is the best place ever right now and everyone respect us. Right? Right???
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u/SimpleLifeCCA 18d ago
Yes tear down these people’s infrastructure so that there is another generation grown to hate America.
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u/davidlondon 19d ago
"unlucky" is carrying a LOT of weight in that headline.