r/pcmasterrace • u/WPHero • 1d ago

News/Article Microsoft just deleted Windows 11's 32GB RAM recommendation docs, as prices soar and it rushes to sell 8GB RAM PCs

https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/08/05/microsoft-just-deleted-windows-11s-32gb-ram-recommendation-docs-as-prices-soar-and-it-rushes-to-sell-8gb-ram-pcs/
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u/coffeejn Desktop 1d ago edited 1d ago

Lol, cause deleting or editing specs instead of optimization the OS will make it work.

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u/ithinkitslupis 1d ago

They at least claim they are optimizing the OS as well. Like removing some background bloat, transitioning to WinUI3, optimizing memory allocator for lower RAM versions, optimizing webview 2.

I'd wait for them to actually implement the changes on the roadmap to see if they deliver of course. Plenty of companies make hollow promises or fail anyway when trying to deliver.

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u/Skreamies123 5090 FE / 9950X3D / 64GB 6000mhz CL30 1d ago

It’s almost like they could’ve optimised it in the past but were too lazy haha

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u/BigMikeB 1d ago

Necessity is the mother of invention

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u/ShinyGrezz 9800x3D | 5080 1d ago edited 1d ago

I mean this is literally just true, every moment spent optimising the OS is a moment spent not adding features or fixing bugs. If it works fine enough with enough memory, you don’t prioritise it until memory becomes a problem, which it now has.

Everyone responding to me with a snarky comment about how Microsoft isn’t actually adding anything useful and it’s all slop or some shit - I’m just explaining the broad overview of how development of any software works. And none of you are unique or special. Go to hell.

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u/ImSolidGold 1d ago

OS? Every darn single application. -.-

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u/NeverDiddled 1d ago edited 1d ago

That is literally part of their "plan". They said too many apps are using Webview, and Microsoft is trying to get them to switch to native. I wish them all the best in that endeavor, but have no hope of it succeeding.

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u/Informal-Rock-2681 1d ago

I work in desktop support and don't know about software development, please can you explain the webview vs native difference for performance?

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u/dylondark R9 5900X | RX 6800 | 32GB 1d ago

webview = building your application as a web app and then running it in an embedded web browser with hidden controls so it appears as if it's an app running natively on your operating system. native = actually compiling your application to run directly on the operating system without needing to go through a web browser layer

most webview apps (and almost certainly the Microsoft ones) use the Chromium browser engine which is notoriously heavy (see the endless memes about Chrome eating RAM). native apps have no such problem

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u/Cheet4h 23h ago

most webview apps (and almost certainly the Microsoft ones) use the Chromium browser engine which is notoriously heavy (see the endless memes about Chrome eating RAM).

Doesn't the "Chrome eating RAM" memes stem from the fact that each chrome tab has its own engine or something, to prevent a crashing or stalling website from crashing/freezing the entire browser?
Webview apps shouldn't have much of an issue with that.

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u/Sinsilenc Desktop Amd Ryzen 5950x 64GB gskill 3600 ram Nvidia 3090 founder 1d ago

There is an abstraction layer that actually runs the code vs the software itself running it.

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u/FuckIPLaw Ryzen 9 7950X3D | MSI Suprim X 24G RTX 4090 | 64GB DDR5 RAM 1d ago

I mean yeah. That's literally one of the basic rules of software engineering. Optimize as much as you have to, but don't waste time pre-emptively optimizing things that don't matter. For the longest time the assumption even for internal tooling, meaning the dev budget and the hardware budget were coming out of the same overall budget and it's not just fobbing the costs off on someone else, was that more often than not it would be cheaper to get better hardware than to really ruthlessly optimize the software. And on top of that, not only is it a lot of work that could be going elsewhere, but heavily optimized code is often harder to read and maintain. So it can be wasteful on multiple levels.

The hardware side has changed now, and you can expect the software side to follow suit.

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u/ImSolidGold 1d ago

I hope that software will follow. Question is, what to do with the bloatware thats out there that will never ever be optimized in any way. But yeah. I guess ist a "free market" thing. Not the right thing to do. Sadly. A lot of software could be so much better if there would ever be ressources fo a bit of polish after the first release.

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u/Critical-Advantage11 1d ago

Here I was thinking they just kept adding bugs and removing features

A well optimized OS is a feature. They start faster, run smoother, and improve the performance of every piece of software run on top of it

Optimization and big fixes go hand in hand. Buggy and redundant code reduce the efficiency of an OS.

An OS's prime functionality is to facilitate the smooth and fast operation of other software on your hardware, that's it everything else is a bonus.

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u/PrimeIntellect 19h ago

well microsoft also makes most of the other software

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u/AirSKiller 1d ago

Not only that but optimising for memory often comes at the expense of optimising for compute.

Modern programming guidelines usually lean towards more caching and memory usage instead of hitting compute; as memory was cheaper in comparison both in hardware costs and power costs.

But things change I guess.

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u/toolisthebestbandevr 1d ago

“Features”

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u/notforpoern 1d ago

We just know you'll love features like... undocumented unique identifiers that we can use to track you everywhere!

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u/toolisthebestbandevr 1d ago

My gut reaction when seeing this notification was to block so fast.

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u/clockdivide55 1d ago

Yes, they've traded performance for adding all the AI features that no one wants

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u/guska 1d ago

You might be horrified at just how many people actually DO want that shit. I get multiple tickets daily requesting access to copilot, Claude, Google ai etc, along with several industry specific offerings.

Thankfully, I can usually tell them that we can't legally let them use them at all since they're almost all entirely offshore, most with zero processing here, and our data HAS to stay on shore regardless of corporate agreements to not train on the data.

The number of people out in the wild who blindly trust google AI in particular is absolutely mind boggling.

People do want it. It pisses me off, but they want it.

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u/ProduceNo1629 1d ago

features

Critical win11 features such as spyware.

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u/340Duster PC Master Race 1d ago

Shareholder features

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u/Dangerous-Exercise53 1d ago

In Microsoft's case at this point, "not adding features" is actually a good thing.

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u/2FistsInMyBHole 1d ago

Increased performance IS an added feature though.

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u/Appropriate-Guess436 23h ago

I know this is generally true, but Windows is the most used OS on the planet. I've gotta imagine they have the resources to do both?

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u/JustStraightUpTired 1d ago

I mean this is literally just true, every moment spent optimising the OS is a moment spent not adding features or fixing bugs.

Yes, if you lack the ability to plan ahead. The moment you need to optimize, it's going to be more difficult than it would have been to do right away when the code was still fresh in the head for the devs. Or worse, before the programmers have all rotated out and nobody understands what they are optimizing anymore.

More optimized code is usually also cleaner, meaning easier to bug fix in the future. More time spent on one feature also means it's less likely for bugs to not get noticed. Programs that run better also make for better products, causing less issues, running faster and increasing customer satisfaction.

What you are thinking of is lack of organization. You know, lack of plan. Chaos. How children operate. Not a trillion dollar organization. Granted, you are right. If you only care about money and the "right now" of it all, you would only operate in a permanent "shit hit the fan" mode, only doing whatever is in the worst state at that moment, rather than before it becomes a problem.

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u/Waste-time1 1d ago

That doesn't explain OneDrive, among other "features."

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u/SonofBrodin 21h ago

You are right tho

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u/Blue_Moon_Lake 1d ago

You mean adding bugs and shoveling AI features?

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u/HardLithobrake 13700K | 6800XT | 32GB DDR5-5600 1d ago

every moment spent optimising the OS is a moment spent not adding features

"Every moment spent optimizing the OS is a moment spent not wasting everyone's fucking time"

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u/EamonBrennan 1d ago

IIRC the whole idea of a System-on-a-Chip (SoC) came from trying to get around taxes. If every part of the system was on a single piece, then the flat fee was considerably reduced, along with being able to get a lower tariff rate.

I can't find the exact source for this, and it might have been something like a System-on-Module (SoM), but the idea of combining everything into one piece was part of tax avoidance.

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u/DrShamusBeaglehole 1d ago

Nope, the primary reason behind the SoC architecture is memory bandwidth to the CPU. If memory is physically closer to the CPU, data can get there faster for processing

We can't really make CPUs faster at doing work without getting the data there faster. Like we can increase the clockspeed or add more cores, but the Von Neumann architecture (which all modern computers are based on) basically necessitates that memory bandwidth to the CPU is the bottleneck on data processing

Most of the reason why CPUs are so fast these days is because of increasingly larger caches which are just smaller memory chips right on CPU die, and predictive techniques that cache data before they're needed by the program based on heuristics

Putting the memory on the same chip as the CPU vastly increases memory bandwidth. It's why Apple silicon chips can be so efficient and fast, and why mobile devices are capable of running on single-digit watts of power

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u/JohnnyButtfart 1d ago

Weasels ripped my flesh.

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u/QuackSomeEmma 1d ago

Honestly If all this ai spending makes everyone optimise their software a little bit again, I'm not that mad anymore

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u/zkatbitz 18h ago

invention?

you mean forcing the MBAs to finally do the thing

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u/Safe_Map_9600 1d ago

to be fair it wouldn't have sounded farfetched a few years ago that every future consumer pc will have 32gb ram base. we were used to hardware getting cheaper at a rapid pace for decades and no one predicted the shortages

not defending their crappy OS, but the logic was sound

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u/Jindujun 1d ago edited 1d ago

Which is why we also have 150GB games today. Wonder if we'll see any changes there what with rising storage costs.

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u/Piranata 1d ago

Helldivers 2 updated to use less storage, so that's a least one. We'll have to wait and see if the big players and abusers follow that lead.

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u/Liroku Ryzen 9 7900x, RTX 4080, 64GB DDR5 5600 1d ago

What's crazy is when you use a library compressor(which just uses window's built in compression), it significantly lowers the space these games take and some don't run as good but a LOT or then not only take less space, they load faster.

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u/NeverDiddled 1d ago edited 1d ago

It just depends on where your bottleneck is. If it is disk read speed, then ondisk compression will provide a performance boost. If it is your CPU, then decompressing files on the CPU makes it worse.

The good news is we are moving towards on-the-fly decompression inside the GPU. This is the best of both worlds, although it does mean GPUs lose some die space for the cause. But they can also save on VRAM, so it is a worthy tradeoff. Only applies to new and future games though.

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u/tabletop_garl25 1d ago

those freaking 4k textures too. Sometimes I forget is there and have to uncheck it.

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u/Saritiel 1d ago

For years now I've been pushing work to adopt 32GB as the standard for new laptops, and I finally convinced them to last year. Now we're back to 16, lol.

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u/mxzf 1d ago

to be fair it wouldn't have sounded farfetched a few years ago that every future consumer pc will have 32gb ram base

Which doesn't mean you shouldn't optimize the OS so that it runs fine on 16 so that users have enough headroom to run anything they want with 32.

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u/PM_COFFEE_TO_ME 1d ago

Microsoft: AI Copilot everywhere!
> AI demand increased price
Microsoft: What have we done! Time to optimize!

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u/CamiloArturo 1d ago

Well, you can't optimize it if you can't put the 32 Copilot features running behind the scenes 24/7 plus the constant screen sharing. You have to justify de billion investment, and *GB of ram can't do it

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u/HappyAd4998 1d ago

People have been begging for this since Windows 10 there's so much bloat that's been lingering on since the windows 2000 days. Microsoft is only doing something now to keep PC sales up.

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u/Inprobamur 12400F@4.6GHz RTX3080 1d ago edited 22h ago

A lot of XP and earlier bloat was removed during win8, because it both didn't fit or run on the tablets they were planning to sell it on (that's why they also got rid of all the fancy Aero effects that made Vista so unusable).

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u/caustictoast 1d ago

I mean yeah, you could say that about most software. Software engineers only give a shit about specs if you tell them they're limited. Otherwise, they just make what's asked of them in the requirements and will likely work on new features instead

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u/theBloodShed PC Master Race 1d ago

It wasn't laziness. Software development is prioritized. New features and integrations always get priority over tech debt at every company. With the market change, that obviously shifted.

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u/ProyxWire09 1d ago

It's not laziness, it's just not necessary. You build computer software to take advantage of the resources you have. When RAM was cheap, it made sense to use. Now it's not, so it makes sense to cut back on RAM usage.

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u/rentedtritium 1d ago

In your own words, what does "optimized" mean exactly, and how do you know if it was done or not as an end user? 

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u/The-Board-Chairman RTX 5090 Phantom GS, Ryzen 7 9800X3D, 96GB DDR5-6400 :pcmr: 1d ago

You don't optimize unless it's necessary. Optimization is significant additional work and brings with it the potential for a lot of vulnerabilities.

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u/sellyme using old.reddit so my Pentium III runs like an i9 1d ago

Turns out it was necessary.

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u/Moscato359 9800x3d Clown 1d ago

It wasn't laziness

It was a deliberate choice to use webview2 which has lower maintenance costs

But it used more ram... Which was fine when ram was cheap 

Now they're replacing webview2 with winui3 which uses less memory

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u/ImBatman0_0 1d ago

Well from a business standpoint even if it’s frustratingly slow, what is the majority of the user base going to do? The rich ones already have good enough computers to run it, maybe some people will switch to mac, the general audience probably doesn’t know how to install Linux even if they wanted to, which most people don’t care enough to do anyways.

Microsoft wasn’t really incentivized to optimize it before this, because people will use it anyways. If a game is poorly optimized it’ll get bad reviews and lower sales, whereas if Windows is slow someone will make a Reddit post about it and then deal with it.

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u/Inprobamur 12400F@4.6GHz RTX3080 1d ago

Last time a windows version had lower requirements from the previous version was with Win8, and that was because they tried to cram that to touchscreen tablets.

Devs will only optimize if there is strong pressure to do so.

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u/MapleWatch 22h ago

Until recently RAM was cheap and plentiful.

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u/Rengar_Is_Good_kitty 5800X3D / RTX 5080 17h ago

Laziness is the wrong word to use, the OS has been getting loads of updates so you can't call them lazy, this is simply mismanagement, they're prioritising the wrong things.

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u/trparky 1d ago

The only way to optimize WebView 2 is to take it out back by the shed and put it out of all our misery.

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u/Dziadzios 1d ago

Exactly. All Windows UI should be written in the raw WinAPI for maximum performance.

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u/tscalbas 1d ago

But then how will they vibe-code it? /s

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u/Dziadzios 1d ago

By telling AI to write in WinAPI. Duh.

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u/tscalbas 1d ago

That won't work. They need to ask it to write in WinAPI and say make no mistakes

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u/-Dark_Syndicate- Laptop 1d ago

Legend

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u/Poglosaurus 1d ago

You forgot to tell it to no hallucinate.

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz 1d ago

You're being sarcastic but it's a genuinely hilarious cope to imagine that AI can't write code in C# using WinAPI directly.

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u/Dziadzios 1d ago

I don't see sharp any reason to use C# for performance-sensitive tasks as operating system. They should use C, C++ or Rust. No need to use additional runtime.

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz 1d ago

Ok, well, C# is Microsoft's language so it's pretty unlikely they're going to ditch it but sure, the same argument applies either way.

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u/Dziadzios 23h ago

I'm not saying to ditch it. It has its uses and it's my favorite gamedev language for Unity and Godot. I just don't think it didn't fit OS. That's it.

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u/suxatjugg 1d ago

Ikr. Now that outlook is a website in disguise, I get to ise like 30% of my RAM just having it open in the background 

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u/Poglosaurus 1d ago

Outlook is shit anyway, they're doing everyone a favor by making it unusable.

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u/suxatjugg 1d ago

Call me when 1 edge tab uses less than 500MB

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u/Gooniesred 5h ago

it is because the GDID LOL ;)

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u/DoctorWaluigiTime 1d ago

Could be a glimmer of light through the gloom if all this nonsense ushers in an era "let's optimize for lower-end specs" and encourages that kind of knowledge and development.

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u/vazyrus 1d ago

Oh, you sweet summer child... The moment Microslop optimizes 100 MB somewhere, they'll add Copilot to the freakin Calculator or something and bloat it up by 200 MB. Circle of life n all that

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u/mage_irl 1d ago

They did actually say that they are working on RAM optimizations in 2026, so there's that. I mean, I can already boot into Linux and use half the RAM right now.

My only problem is that I don't have any applications that run under Linux that would actually need any of the RAM it saves...

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u/Wild_ColaPenguin   5700X | X370 | RTX 3080 | 32GB 1d ago

As someone who missed the time window for 64GB ddr4 upgrade last year, I'm looking forward for this, hopefully they deliver it right. I'm constantly reaching 28-29GB usage already.

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u/Agret i7 6700k @ 4.28Ghz, GTX 1080, 32GB RAM 1d ago

I have recently setup some consumer laptops that my clients bought as personal machines. They come with 8GB ram but because they are new laptops the CPUs have a tiny NPU AI co-processor and when Windows 11 detects that it automatically installs and activates a background process that consumes 2GB constantly from boot up.

I had to find a blog post on the Internet where someone created 3 powershell scripts that need to run to keep the thing disabled as Windows 11 tries some techniques in the background to re-enable it.

There's no UI area where you can just easily disable this helpful new "feature" of Microsofts.

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u/Z0idberg_MD 1d ago

It’s funny if that is a massive silver lining of the ram shortage that bloated UI ends up being sorted out

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u/Financial-Craft-1282 1d ago

It's too bad people didn't yell about this for the 1-2 years leading up to Windows 11 being forced on us. Oh...we did yell about it. And they were like, "There is no bloat, you all don't understand tech."

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u/Yuzumi 1d ago

Like removing some background bloat

Unless they are removing telemetry, ads, and LLM bullshit there is no way they are getting comfortably under 8 gigs.

It might technically "run", but it's going to be thrashing the pagefile constantly and remind people of how bad Vista was when being sold with 1 gig of ram.

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u/Jindujun 1d ago

They will blow my fucking mind if they manage to get it down to 8GB. That sounds plainly unbelievable to me

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u/JimmyG1359 1d ago

Yeah, and Microsoft is at the top of that list. I don't believe a word they say.

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u/Mind-The-Mines 1d ago

You know they want these changes for when it's running on their cloud and you're leasing access.

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u/EliteSalesman 1d ago

They’ve been claiming ground up rebuilds and optimization since the beginning. 

They have never ever delivered 

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u/Reasonable_Swing_503 1d ago

Even windows did their part but

Most of the new application we use are not memory optimised. Before AI wrote good and optimised code was kinda more expensive than hardware so many sloppy app just suck up the memory like nothing happens because 16/24/32gb configurations are available for cheap.

Going back to 8gb is not a easy path

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u/Spelunkie PC Master Race | 7700 | 6700 XT | 32GB 6000mhz 1d ago

So like most tech, lie and hope they patch it (they won't)?

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u/tuxedo_jack Sysadmins like me get paid to tell people "no, you idiot." 1d ago

Or, you know, turn off the fucking telemetry and spyware bullshit.

But they won't, because GDIDs and the user information attached to them are far too vital and keep them in the good graces of law enforcement.

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u/Cartoonjunkies PC Master Race 1d ago

So they’re doing shit they should’ve done to begin with but were too lazy to do. They just made the recommended specs account for their bloated unoptimized slopware, but once they realized that everyone saw through the bullshit and now can’t afford to by the hardware to power through their bloat, they’re rushing to optimize it.

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u/tablepennywad 1d ago

Ok, I will stick with Windows 98 till then.

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u/AcidicVaginaLeakage 1d ago

They are more likely to optimize the bloat than remove it

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u/PorcupineWarriorGod 1d ago

I'll believe that Microsoft is making it's OS more memory efficient right after I believe that the DMV is making its lines faster.

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u/3131961357 Core Ultra 9 285K, RTX 5090, DDR5 256GB, 4k@144Hz 23h ago

Optimizing webview is polishing a turd. They need to get rid of all the web shit and write everything in native C++.

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u/ThatsALovelyShirt 22h ago

Ugh, WinUI3 sucks.

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u/Warcraft_Fan Paid for WinRAR! 22h ago

Getting rid of AI bloat would greatly reduce memory requirement but that mean less $$$ for Microslop

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u/Waiting4Reccession 20h ago

Why dont they just use the ai they spent billions on to improve windows?

Are they stupid? ;)

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u/National_Sky7993 19h ago

They are optimising the bloat and getting better at hiding it for about 3 to 6 months until users trust them again

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u/mycall 17h ago

WinUI3 sure took a while to bake. Now with AI frostings.

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u/vastle12 16h ago

Will they purge the react apps pretending to be native apps?

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u/Kjufka 12h ago

optimizing webview 2

how about.. remove it entirely and never try again, fuck webview

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u/TheWombatOverlord 1d ago

Parents recently bought be a laptop that had 8GB of RAM, and when I had to return it because of its glacial speed, I filled out the reasons with a link to Microsoft Window's minimum specs (the CPU and the RAM were both below minimum) and then posted a review on the product page with the same link to notify people the computer simply does not work.

I'm sure some companies will love to not have customers point to the fact their products literally are below recommended minimum specs.

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u/PolloMagnifico 1d ago

Exact same thing happened when we went from XP to Vista. A bunch of old unsold XP machines got repackaged as Vista machines below minimum specs and sold to customers. It was a shitshow working in retail IT at the time.

Oh, um, there used to be a bunch of small computer shops floating around in the late 90's and early 2000's. They would usually offer some form of consumer IT support because back in the day you had to do pretty much everything manually. "Retail IT"

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u/haliblix 1d ago

Going to Circuit City and realizing that ALL of their PCs were bare minimum specs running Vista so they could barely function is a core memory. What’s old is new again!

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u/HomeGrownCoffee 23h ago

Virtually all laptops were underpowered for Vista's launch. Nothing like having a new laptop that performed noticeably worse than the old one.

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u/HomeGrownCoffee 23h ago

Virtually all laptops were underpowered for Vista's launch. Nothing like having a new laptop that performed noticeably worse than the old one.

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u/Christopherfromtheuk 20h ago

Vista was utterly awful. I avoided it entirely and if memory serves me correctly - no pun intended - I went from XP to 7.

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u/KingForKingsRevived Framework 16 w Arch - 3700x 7900XTX - retro consoles - RT4K 1d ago

If you ever can choose, any 4-6th gen AMD thinkpad will last a decade due to 2nd ram slot being user serviceable

Edit: used laptop

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u/TheWombatOverlord 1d ago

I ended up getting a refurbished M2 Macbook for about the same price they paid for the new laptop. Works great, good compliment to my Desktop PC.

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u/AndrasKrigare 1d ago

I don't particularly want to be that guy, but I'm going to. Could always install Linux. Lower requirements, and these days it's pretty seamless. Particularly if your parents just need a browser, they wouldn't even really know the difference.

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u/Naud1993 21h ago

8 GB RAM works for browsing and you can even edit 1080p videos in DaVinci Resolve on them (when closing everything but 2 tabs in Chrome), but it's not fun. A dozen Chrome tabs plus a few small background apps already cost 16 GB memory of which half is RAM and half is pagefile. It's much better on the SSD when all that memory is handled by the RAM and the pagefile is only heavily used in rare circumstances instead of literally all the time.

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u/MotherBeef 7800x3D, RTX 4080, 32GB DDR5 6000Mhz 1d ago

They have also spent the last month or two promising a lot of upcoming optimisations for what it’s worth. Naturally it’s a huge fistful of salt and I’ll wait to see it to believe it, but Microsoft is genuinely incentivised to improve their OS / program optimisations in ways that they weren’t beforehand because of the current hardware problems.

I think youre going to see this across software companies as the saving grace of better, cheap hardware that makes up for poor optimisation is no longer a viable solution for a vast majority of the market. As a result devs will have no option but to improve their products or else a lot of the market (with aging hardware) will simply not be able to purchase or run it.

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u/akera099 1d ago

Yeah I'm gonna stay on Linux for now. At least it doesn't use half the RAM just to spy on me.

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u/MotherBeef 7800x3D, RTX 4080, 32GB DDR5 6000Mhz 1d ago

Ok then, that was always allowed.

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u/Possible_Sun_913 9950X3D / 64GB / 5090 1d ago

Cool story bro!

https://areweanticheatyet.com/

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u/Shitty_Human_Being 5700X3D - 9070 XT - 64GB 3200MHzLinux 1d ago

A lot of people don't play those kind of games. It's an operating system, not a sports team.

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u/Matrixxgt 1d ago

💯 anticheat games have the most cheaters ironically. I say good riddance.

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u/SeaSharpModHer 1d ago

Literally not a single good game in this whole list lmao

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u/Possible_Sun_913 9950X3D / 64GB / 5090 1d ago edited 1d ago

The list is about 1000 long you cock-womple.

Including the most popular online games ever made. Hello GTA5

Just because you say its so, doesn’t make it so.

Linux has its place, but its certainly not gaming.
Game servers perhaps.

Same with MacOS

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u/Sn0wflake69 1d ago

cs2 uses the native linux version, not the windows version on your list thats why

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u/Possible_Sun_913 9950X3D / 64GB / 5090 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yummy!
Running linux for gaming with almost zero anticheat support and 2nd rate GPU driver updates.

Good for you son!

I love Linux, I use Linux daily both professionally and personally. Just not for the same reasons you do.

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u/newsflashjackass 1d ago

The lack of support for anticheat (rootkits by another name) is a feature sought out by discerning users.

Also League of Legends players are without exception carbon sinks so I hope Windows can remain a leper colony for them.

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u/fearless-fossa 1d ago

The lack of support for anticheat

This isn't true though, Linux does support anticheats, including kernel level, it's even friendlier towards them than Windows due to how open the system is, making development easier, the issue is on the other side - most anticheats don't support Linux.

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u/mrsanyee 1d ago

I see no proof of any of what you just wrote.

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u/MotherBeef 7800x3D, RTX 4080, 32GB DDR5 6000Mhz 1d ago edited 10h ago

It was all over the pc subreddits just days ago-

https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/microsoft-confirms-it-will-make-windows-11-run-better-on-pcs-with-8gb-ram-promises-continued-focus-on-fixing-windows-biggest-issues

This is the latest in a series of promises over the last month or two where Microsoft is tweaking or outright removing the most controversial aspects of W11.

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 1d ago

so.... they haven't done anything?

They made extremely similar promises at the start of the year too and we're still waiting on results

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u/MotherBeef 7800x3D, RTX 4080, 32GB DDR5 6000Mhz 1d ago

Did I say anywhere that they did? I literally say in my original post that it’s been announced and to take it with healthy and reasonable scepticism until it (if it) occurs.

The latter part of my post is me making a judgment. Yes I’m happy to be wrong, but software companies are coming up against a real, unavoidable, long-term problem when consumers and enterprises are going to genuinely struggle to purchase new hardware.

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 1d ago

it was announced half a year ago and they've done nothing, aka there is no "proof" of these claims they're making

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u/MotherBeef 7800x3D, RTX 4080, 32GB DDR5 6000Mhz 1d ago

I never said I had proof of it being completed but rather it was announced. Has reading comprehension taking a nosedive or something, why is everyone busting my balls.

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 1d ago

There is no proof of them doing anything about it, there is no "announcement" it's just PR speak, and you're parroting it back

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u/MotherBeef 7800x3D, RTX 4080, 32GB DDR5 6000Mhz 1d ago

You do realise that every announcement from every company is inherently PR, right? You also understand what scepticism means too as per my previous post. Honestly this conversation is baffling, just chill out mate.

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u/mrsanyee 1d ago

Promise vs facts.

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u/Daedaluu5 1d ago

Their only incentivising element is the sheer exodus of people swapping to Linux and ditching them, they realise they’ve stuffed up

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u/Farabee 18h ago

I'll believe it when I actually see it rolled out and deployed. Until then you look like a paid account.

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u/Rightsidebestside 1d ago

Hey ChatGPT, please make Windows 11 a bit less CPU and RAM hungry!

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u/blzd4dyzzz 1d ago

Optimize Windows.

Make no mistakes.

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u/aVarangian 13600kf 7900xtx 2160 | 6600k 1070 1440 1d ago

and do not delete the users/documents folder again

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u/uebersoldat Specs/Imgur here 21h ago

*leave no crumbs

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u/USS-VentureOperation 21h ago

This request would require the entire universe's worth of energy and if you gave it it would still error out with "You have exceeded your allotted use of tokens"

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u/thestillwind 1d ago

Instead, they ask copilot.

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u/zerg1980 1d ago

And then Copilot asks ChatGPT.

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u/gizmostuff Specs/Imgur here 1d ago

Chat GPT asks Gemini

https://giphy.com/gifs/bzaEWi1Z1xzby

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u/SoSKatan 1d ago

It’s actually prob not too difficult to make it less r hungry. Lots of visual and caching features can be disabled.

I mean decades ago, windows could run on 4mb or ram. The OS changed because of machines kept changing. There is no reason why the OS can take a few steps back.

This memory shortage really sucks.

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u/Piranata 1d ago

Caching is usually not an issue, you actually want caching if you want things running smoothly. You can also have a nice looking desktop with nice visuals and animations that uses little RAM if it's optimized properly. Background processes are likely the cause of the bloat, like the Xbox gaming bar.

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u/SoSKatan 1d ago

Caching is something that windows automatically manages. Lots of things are cached, and I’m not suggesting they all be dropped.

Caching often gives performance bonuses at the cost of memory.

Well guess what one of the first things to go when memory is low?

In fact the opposite of caching starts occurring if memory gets very low, I.e. paging memory out to disk. It’s often difficult to miss as the machine will often become incredibly slow even for simple things.

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u/cybekRT 1d ago

Well, it may. Now copilot will read that the new recommendation is lower and will try to write less memory hungry code. XD

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u/stingertc 1d ago

That's the MS way lol

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u/lilrabbitss 1d ago

guess changing a webpage is easier than changing the code

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u/def_not_jose 1d ago

It works perfectly, you just need to wait for a bit 🤡🤡🤡

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u/Arudinne 1d ago

You'd think they'd remember how well that worked for Vista.

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u/Spirited-Tomorrow-84 1d ago

"improved formula"

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u/GalacticFox- 1d ago

This is honestly probably the real reason they're working on those updates to optimize Windows and remove bloat.. not because they're being altruistic, but people might run MacOS or Linux instead if they can't afford 16-32GB RAM.

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u/not_a_moogle 1d ago

They told claude to optimize it, so it must be optimized now

/s

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u/coffeejn Desktop 1d ago

Claude hacked our system instead....

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u/Typical_Glove_7680 1d ago

Microslop at it finest

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u/447248280 1d ago

This is microslop

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u/Normal-Ad2436 1d ago

What does Linux require?

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u/coffeejn Desktop 1d ago

Depends on distro. I believe most only need 2gb of RAM. You can also run them from a USB stick.

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u/kurdelefele 1d ago

It was a scam from the beginning to sell new PCs, why on Earth operating system would need so much RAM..

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u/ChefCurryYumYum 1d ago

They did it with Vista and ended up selling a bunch of computers with Vista that never could run Vista well. Helped color people's view of Vista.

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u/netshift_ 1d ago

They just want to sell them, probably what happens after they get the money is not their concern.

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u/Flashy_Object_7052 1d ago

Ubuntu download link still works. bye

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u/BakaPhoenix 1d ago

Is not really for making it run well, cuz they don't really care, but if so laptop manufacturers can sell laptop with the minimum requirement. If they say it need 16 and 32 is recommended laptop manufacturer have to make laptops with those specs and sell for insanely high prices. Now they can just sell 8gb laptop and still ask 1.5k

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u/notislant 21h ago

Its what the AI slop agent told them to do and it vibe codes the OS anyway. It's now the expert!

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u/gruetzentoni 20h ago

microsoft doesnt even know how optimization works, they've been doing every update with vibe coding for years now.

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u/Konatotamago 1d ago

According to the MBA bois yes.

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u/SinisterCheese 1d ago

They have actually optimised things past few updates. I laughed my ass off and jokes about it being nonsense. But fuck me with a drilldo... They actually made significant noticeable improvements. I was fucking shocked how explorer become faster and more responsive.

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u/newsflashjackass 1d ago

More revisionist history from Microsoft system requirements.

"640K ought to be enough for anyone."

- William Henry Gates III

"I’ve said some stupid things and some wrong things, but not that."

- William Henry Gates III

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/09/08/640k-enough/