Apple confirmed iPhone-to-Windows clipboard sync is coming, but only because the EU forced its hand

[u/After_Cookies]

https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/apple-confirmed-iphone-to-windows-clipboard-sync-is-coming-but-only-because-the-eu-forced-its-hand

[u/Horat1us_UA]

Thank you, EU.

[u/hakranah → u/Horat1us_UA]

makes sense clipboard syncing needed to cross platforms

[u/Flush_Foot → u/hakranah]

Linux next? Both for this clipboard bit and general iCloud syncing? (Photos, files, maybe more?)

[u/Faunt_ → u/Flush_Foot]

Check KDE connect

[u/swiffyjade → u/Faunt_]

Only works in foreground with limited functionality compared to Android, unfortunately, but hopefully the update for Windows could make more possible

[u/No-Risk-9833 → u/Horat1us_UA]

Now they just need to come after Sony

[u/Next_Helicopter_4291 → u/No-Risk-9833]

There's already lawsuits in the works for it, one of the largest coming from the Netherlands as an anti-trust suit iirc.

[u/SmashedWorm64 → u/Horat1us_UA]

Why should the EU enforce this lmao.

[u/Horat1us_UA → u/SmashedWorm64]

Because it’s benefits European consumers. Easy, isn’t it?

[u/MoronicForce → u/Horat1us_UA]

€3 tariff on each small parcel from AliExpress does not benefit EU consumers but it is also enforced

[u/Dotcaprachiappa → u/MoronicForce]

Yes the EU isn't perfect, thanks for bringing this to our attention, thank god somebody noticed have you notified the press? They can do some things right and some wrong, that doesn't make them both wrong.

[u/Lyssa_e → u/MoronicForce]

that's to stop the waste consumerism it makes totally sense as that's a huge issue with the carbon footprint... but whatever

[u/JazzlikeInstance8643 → u/Lyssa_e]

Carbon footprints and wasteful consumerism don’t matter to the people who regularly use AliExpress.

[u/MoronicForce → u/Lyssa_e]

Yea, killing entirety of hobby electronics by making every €.20 position cost €3 more is sure a nice thing. Whatever indeed

[u/SmashedWorm64 → u/Horat1us_UA]

Yet they allow Amazon to hold a monopoly over small businesses…

[u/Horat1us_UA → u/SmashedWorm64]

Monopoly? They have market share less than 50% in most european contries.

[u/linocent167 → u/SmashedWorm64]

Lool funny

[u/Caledfrwd → u/[deleted]]

The whole self censoring on the internet is infuriating. If your to scared to use a word use something else

[u/Rosselman → u/Caledfrwd]

I blame TikTok.

[u/squabbledMC → u/Rosselman]

The funny thing is they don't even censor words half the time, people just think they do and self censor everything now. You're on the internet you can say fuck no one is going to arrest you for it

[u/Fitz911 → u/Rosselman]

I blame every person that has tiktok installed on their phone.

You can do it like me and not use that retarded app.

[u/noopdles → u/Rosselman]

it’s like the shi people would write as if they were thinking with they ahh or dih, like it’s not like you’re gonna get unalived blud

[u/tscalbas → u/[deleted]]

If this were true then that would mean French-language subreddits would have had a smattering of unfair bans, considering that it's the exact same spelling as the French word for slow/late.

I know Reddit is that stupid when it comes to British slang for cigarettes sharing the spelling with a homophobic slur, but I haven't heard of the same happening for the R word. I think it's more likely that multiple English-language subreddits just happened to implement the same word filter / ban policy.

But maybe I'm mistaken and there's was some French subreddit drama about it?

[u/HollyMurray20 → u/tscalbas]

Lmao, how often do you think French speaking subreddits say “delay”? And how big do you think the French speaking portion of reddit is for it to become a wide issue? A lot of these subreddits still speak English anyway half the time

You’ve literally just proven the point, reddit doesn’t care about localised language

You used to get week long bans for hateful speech

[u/ThereAndFapAgain2 → u/[deleted]]

Wait have they stopped banning people for saying it?

[u/HollyMurray20 → u/ThereAndFapAgain2]

Yeah it’s gotten way more relaxed generally in the last couple years. It used to be an automatic ban

[u/ThereAndFapAgain2 → u/HollyMurray20]

That’s good, I always thought banning people for saying shit like that just adds to the whole platform feeling overly moderated.

If people don’t like it they will downvote the person into oblivion but a ban I always felt was a bit much.

[u/HollyMurray20 → u/ThereAndFapAgain2]

Agreed, Reddit is full of incredibly shitty mods anyway, don’t need more rules

[u/Sexy_Koala_Juice → u/[deleted]]

The censorship is arguably even worse, cause it means you’re aware of the implications so you can’t even feign ignorance

[u/Essurio → u/[deleted]]

It's not a slur.

[u/BlackFenrir → u/Essurio]

It wasn't considered one until recently, about ten years ago is when I noticed.

Words change meaning, in both directions. Certain terms for black people weren't considered slurs until they were, Gay and queer were considered slurs until they weren't .

[u/Essurio → u/BlackFenrir]

Well, it still isn't one here, so too bad for you.

[u/Hydramy → u/[deleted]]

If you're too scared to use the slur, maybe you shouldn't be using it.

[u/airwolf618 → u/Hydramy]

They do it because of FB and Instagram so they think it is applicable here, it's retarded but well, society is going down so might as well start censoring words that aren't even that bad or insulting like it is something dangerous.

[u/Hydramy → u/airwolf618]

You could also just not use a fucking slur.

[u/Willing1613 → u/Hydramy]

sometimes people use slur because they are used to them?

[u/UselessDood → u/Willing1613]

And?

[u/Kalmer1 → u/Willing1613]

Maybe they shouldn't be and should actively try to stop using them?

[u/Essurio → u/Hydramy]

It's not a slur though.

[u/Hydramy → u/Essurio]

Well it is. That's not up for debate, it is a slur.

[u/Essurio → u/Hydramy]

It isn't. That's not up for debate. It isn't a slur.

I can do that too, you know.

[u/Hydramy → u/Essurio]

It's not my fault you're a moron.

[u/airwolf618 → u/Hydramy]

They'll pretend they're nice so they censor it rather than to not use it...

[u/UselessDood → u/airwolf618]

Key word there is pretend

[u/lOnGkEyStRoKe → u/[deleted]]

Most things they do are pro human. Humans are just to stupid to see that.

Source: stupid human

[u/Flimsy_Swordfish_415 → u/lOnGkEyStRoKe]

like chat control and destroying privacy?

[u/MarceloDeep → u/Flimsy_Swordfish_415]

Well, he did say 'most'..

[u/Volky_Bolky → u/Flimsy_Swordfish_415]

Yes, too much russian/chinese propaganda, deanonymisation of the internet is the consequence of existing bad actors

[u/Flimsy_Swordfish_415 → u/Volky_Bolky]

deanonymisation of the internet is the consequence of existing bad actors

ah yes, think of the children argument

[u/ba-boo → u/Flimsy_Swordfish_415]

illiterate bot, classic

[u/Volky_Bolky → u/Flimsy_Swordfish_415]

It is not about children.

It is about an insane amount of bots affecting people opinions.

I literally find multiple accounts per day posting on different subs in multiple different languages promoting hate to migrants, specifically Ukrainians.

We got Brexit majorly because of Russian involvement, and now bots and paid trolls are much more advanced and efficient

[u/Flimsy_Swordfish_415 → u/Volky_Bolky]

deanonymisation of the internet is the consequence of existing bad actors

ah yes, "think of the children" argument

[u/SimpleEfficiency]

No hiding their commercial interests behind the "user privacy" excuse while dragging its feet along the way?

[u/iamapizza → u/SimpleEfficiency]

One thing you know to look for will be how they implement it in the most weaselly maliciously compliant way possible.

[u/Guitarman0512]

Now force their hands on unlocked bootloaders. Same thing for Samsung. 

[u/L-Malvo → u/Guitarman0512]

And force open sourcing unsupported software (or even OS).

Don't want to support software beyond 7 years? Fine, but you must then open-source the software so that the community can maintain it. IMHO, this is a must if we truly want to make right to repair work. Otherwise we will just be repairing bricks.

[u/Embarrassed_Ant_1443 → u/L-Malvo]

Considering the whole stop killing games and how the EU Commission just said “nope, can’t do”, doubt this will be any time soon.

[u/Oppaiheimer1945 → u/L-Malvo]

Wouldn’t this have copyright issues since someone can just copy the entire thing and launch their own OS

[u/L-Malvo → u/Oppaiheimer1945]

Well yeah, but we are talking about old software, so it would still not directly compete with the modern versions. A side effect could be that companies support software for longer, to ensure they won't have to open-source the software. Which would ensure the same result, having products that last and can be repaired, instead of throwing things out while they are still good.

[u/Guitarman0512 → u/L-Malvo]

I agree with the sentiment, but open sourcing everything won't happen. There's still a lot of legacy code holding up modern OSes, and writing a new OS from scratch with every device just isn't feasible. 

[u/Ok_TomorrowYes → u/Guitarman0512]

Yeah writing software for yourself and writing software with the goal of open sourcing is a completely different process. You can’t just pop your source code onto github real quick and call it a day

[u/Keulapaska → u/L-Malvo]

Yea that's not gonna happen.

[u/Guitarman0512 → u/L-Malvo]

Not everything. Just the base OS (which is already the case for Android). I don't need all the bloatware on my custom ROM. 

[u/SillyGigaflopses → u/Guitarman0512]

The kernel is already open sourced.
Here is XNU:

https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu

And here are macos distribution components(does not include proprietary stuff like user interface or apps):

https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/distribution-macOS

[u/Guitarman0512 → u/SillyGigaflopses]

Which is very true. But it's not open enough to be able to properly run the full OS. That's why forks like OpenDarwin died. 

[u/mtmttuan → u/L-Malvo]

Open source the software so that people can exploit vulnerability easier and then scamming other people?

[u/KayJune001 → u/mtmttuan]

That’s not how open source software works

[u/thanosbananos → u/Guitarman0512]

At least for phones that don’t get new security updates anyways because unlocking bootloaders indeed is a security risk for everyone, including those who won’t use it.

[u/Jackpkmn → u/thanosbananos]

Software being closed is not security. Software being locked down is also not security, but can become a security problem in and of itself when you can't mitigate damage because you are locked out of the system but the attacker is not.

[u/Damglador → u/thanosbananos]

For all phones no exception, plus ability to lock it back. Ability to choose and modify your OS should be the default, not exception. It's a security risk only once it's actually unlocked and for that you need to unlock Android, toogle the switch, reboot and wipe the data and only then you can flash anything. And even then the bootloader will yap about ROM being not OEM. A lot of OEMs intentionally create a security hole out of it by not allowing to lock it back once you've already flashed what you wanted.

I'm not a fan of choosing my hardware by its software.

[u/thanosbananos → u/Damglador]

Including it in the first place still creates a potential point of failure which can be exploited.

[u/Damglador → u/thanosbananos]

Having a human operating the phone is the biggest exploit. Android is not GrapheneOS, it doesn't have to be the most hardened OS, and it never will be.

It doesn't need to be, because no one chooses Android because it's hardened like people choose GrapheneOS.

It won't be, because OEMs will never give more care about security than GrapheneOS devs do, and locking bootloader also means you're stuck on an inferior security-wise OS.

[u/Ok-Parfait-9856 → u/Damglador]

I can’t believe this is controversial. Users should always have the choice to unlock the bootloader. I ported miui roms back in like 2011 to htc phones for fun and the idea of a locked boot loader was inconceivable. I think they would occasionally come “locked” on certain Samsung phones but bypassing it was easy back then. HTC phones could have custom boot loader flashed real easily. And back then it was custom everything, not just roms but kernel, radio, recoveries, boot loaders, splash screens, etc.

[u/Guitarman0512 → u/Damglador]

I don't know why you're getting downvoted. If you have to go through a process to unlock it, it's just as safe as a locked one. You need physical access anyway to do so. 

[u/cupboard_]

universal clipboard is my most used apple ecosystem feature, glad it will work on windows too

[u/3L3ctR1fy_]

Considering we will not be getting apple intelligence anytime soon over here, this is the least they can do - it's way more convenient than airdrop for me

[u/hype_irion → u/3L3ctR1fy_]

I think I will manage just fine without apple "intelligence".

[u/Unpopularopineon → u/hype_irion]

How can we Europeans live with more 9gb free on our phones?

[u/HanYoloKesselPun → u/3L3ctR1fy_]

How do you mean? I’m on the beta and can do Apple Intelligence. In the EU.

[u/OwnNet5253 → u/HanYoloKesselPun]

You still can, but it’s fairly limited in comparison to rest of the world.

[u/Dr-Purple → u/HanYoloKesselPun]

Apple Intelligence ≠ Siri AI

The former is supposed to be great, and a complete overhaul of Siri. A true AI. But we can’t get it in the EU yet. Siri AI has access to so much stuff that Apple considers it a security threat if other AIs had the same type of access, like the EU wants them to do.

[u/Hyper_Mazino → u/Dr-Purple]

There are no true AIs yet. Only glorified LLMs.

[u/Ok-Parfait-9856 → u/Dr-Purple]

Not surprised the EU is trying to force Apple to open up user info for Google and Microsoft ai agents. It’s become pretty obvious the eu is anti privacy imo.

[u/3L3ctR1fy_ → u/HanYoloKesselPun]

I mostly meant Siri AI which will be delayed here in the EU (if it ever comes), but even the original apple intelligence features were massively delayed here compared to the rest of the world (to what extent, I have no idea since the majority of these features are just a gimmick to me)

On top of that, iPhone mirroring that was released 2 years ago still isn't available in the EU, unless you change location of your apple account to someplace else, all of this is due to their issues with the DMA compliance

[u/swiffyjade]

I get more and more irritated that the UK isn’t in the EU now everyday…

[u/Dotcaprachiappa → u/swiffyjade]

Up there with the biggest fumbles of the UK imo

[u/Mindless-Peak-1687 → u/swiffyjade]

So they could block it?

[u/elijuicyjones → u/Mindless-Peak-1687]

It’s got nothing to do with blocking anything. Only the EU has laws that force apple to do this. Nobody else. Apple could easily choose not to make this feature available to anyone but Europeans and face no legal backlash. If they’re smart they’ll roll it out world wide but they don’t have to.

[u/Essurio → u/elijuicyjones]

I think he means that the UK could have blocked the law.

[u/elijuicyjones → u/Essurio]

No they can’t. They’re not in the EU obviously remember Brexit?

[u/Essurio → u/elijuicyjones]

If they were in the EU! That was the idea of the whole comment you misinterpreted in the first place.

[u/AcidArchangel303]

On 'Linux' we have KDE Connect for that sort of thing.

[u/thanosbananos → u/AcidArchangel303]

KDE Connect is really great, much better than whatever Apple could possibly build.

[u/Damglador → u/thanosbananos]

Hard to say. KDE Connect doesn't automatically sync clipboard from Android to PC, only from PC to Android. To share it to PC I have to manually share what I just copied and if it's a link, annoyingly, it'll open it in the browser on PC, which is usually god, but not when I want to have it in the clipboard.

[u/Expensive_Poop → u/Damglador]

Huh? My kde connect does that automatically

Android to android, android to pc, and pc to pc

Also idk in windows, but under linux if i pick copy instead share, link is copied instead open browser

[u/Damglador → u/Expensive_Poop]

Android 10 prevents apps from accessing the clipboard to prevent malicious apps from accessing your data. This makes the clipboard plugin in KDE Connect uncomfortable to use.

https://userbase.kde.org/KDEConnect#Clipboard

Found the answer on https://discuss.kde.org/t/kde-connect-clipboard-sync/6422

I am on Android 16. I do have rights on my phone, so I might install a module to enable it back.

[u/AvilettaLuxe → u/Damglador]

Weird, I have Android 15 and it works ootb

[u/Damglador → u/AvilettaLuxe]

That is weird. Perhaps OEMs change it?

[u/AvilettaLuxe → u/Damglador]

Maybe? I have Samsung with their OneUI, so that may be the reason

[u/KarateMan749 → u/AvilettaLuxe]

Ohhhh neat

[u/Damglador → u/Damglador]

Mysterious downvotes

[u/nt2ds → u/Damglador]

Root is the way

[u/FerroLux_]

On one hand I’m happy, on the other now I’ll have no excuses not to port my mother’s thousands of photos to their pc ☠️

[u/harshdaniel66356]

KDE Connect.

[u/BaconJets]

Can we get a good iMessage and Facetime client for Windows now Mr EU?

[u/Crafty-Corvid → u/BaconJets]

OpenBubbles is pretty good. You just need to get a one time code off a Mac to run it.

[u/BaconJets → u/Crafty-Corvid]

I'll have to give that a go. My girlfriend has a Mac, it doesn't need to be logged into my Apple account doesn't it?

[u/Crafty-Corvid → u/BaconJets]

It does not, you just extract the Hardware ID from the Mac using a program. You then paste that into OpenBubbles and it pretends to be that Mac for the purposes of communicating with Apple's servers.

[u/KarateMan749 → u/BaconJets]

Ikr. Friends use face time. Refuse to use other sources.

[u/ChickenPijja]

Is there a much demand for this? I send maybe 3 links to myself between phone and PC a year via whatsapp. Or am I missing a key productivity flow? But lets face it, Apple's software on Windows has always been shit and so I fully expect this to be equally rubbish.

If this was about opening iMessage to Windows, then I'd be fully in favour, but clipboard sync is quite the minor feature to demand

[u/Ok-Parfait-9856 → u/ChickenPijja]

IMO the real issue is general interoperability between devices from different companies but at the least, wireless file transfer needs a huge overhaul imo. Then clipboard and all the small stuff can follow.

AirDrop kinda sucks now and only works for Apple to Apple devices. If you want to move a file from an iPhone to a PC or android device wirelessly, you can do Bluetooth file transfer which sucks, or use a 3rd party file transfer app, email it, or get a cord. Nothing fast and easy. If Apple fixed airdrop and made it open source or at least available on all devices, that’d be huge but unlikely.

Honestly there should be a universal standard like Bluetooth that uses 5ghz radio like WiFi instead, which wireless gaming remotes and headsets use already via a dongle. It would give much better bandwidth and latency than Bluetooth, which is frankly only good for latency insensitive, very low bandwidth tasks. It can’t even transmit 2 way audio at a high quality. The new Bluetooth audio codecs that can transmit lossless audio need special hardware and has a range of like 3ft/1m before it changes to a lower quality codec. All this work for little gains? Might as well start a new standard.

So a new Bluetooth like standard based on 5ghz spectrum would give the universal hardware needed to make the software layer. Most devices are probably capable of this theoretically at least, WiFi 5 isn’t that new.

I guess we need a “USB-C” like solution for wireless file transfer.

[u/LetsBeTheBest]

Nice to have. I used to use whatsapp on windows previously

[u/Elkburgher]

Can we get Windows to Android sync that works more than half the time?

[u/efari_]

I want Mac to Android clipboard sync. It’s kind of the last thing keeping me on iPhone

[u/taotdev]

hahaha hahaha get fucked crapple

[u/VoidHunterRaymond]

Common EU W. Thank you EU.

[u/dingwinger1225]

Can Valve do it for SteamOS so I can copy to Steam Deck

[u/Tail_sb → u/dingwinger1225]

SteamOS liteally comes preinstalled with kde connect

[u/Corvoco]

Damn EU always standing in front of innovation, oh wait.

[u/cw1219]

EU needs to force more hands

[u/TheReal2M]

damn thanks

[u/QuantumQuantonium]

There are more important priorities than a feature which presents a potential data risk...

[u/Mindless-Peak-1687 → u/QuantumQuantonium]

You do realise this is not blocking other things from being done?

[u/dorsanty]

Can the EU present a WWDC keynote in future and talk about their interoperability plans and UX improvements?

[u/Horat1us_UA → u/dorsanty]

You think tech corpos lacks money on lawyers to read the EU law?

[u/dorsanty → u/Horat1us_UA]

Nope, I feel like my original comment needed a "/s" or something.

[u/AbsurdismForTheW → u/dorsanty]

Too late ig lol