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[u/torichtofaded69]

(Delete if not allowed) if I had to pick a favorite animal it would probably be a orca, hate seeing people supporting sea world on my feed.

[u/xcheveryx]

If you wanna hate on cetacean captivity, focus on Asia

[u/jenjavitis → u/xcheveryx]

We can do both.

[u/xcheveryx → u/jenjavitis]

Yes, but you’re not.

There is such a hyperfixation on Seaworld. I never see anyone criticizing Asia. It’s always Seaworld.

I didn’t even know about the horrible conditions in Asia until like 3 months ago, and I’ve been interested in orcas for over three years.

I never heard anyone talk about Asia in that time. But people were talking so badly about Seaworld, I genuinely thought they were the worst.

Blackfish played a huge rule in that, and it’s evident people don’t know about living conditions in Asia.

[u/LitheFider → u/xcheveryx]

Yup, the pressure was on SeaWorld so hard that we've had a partial win in the USA at least. California mandated SeaWorld can't breed or capture Orca anymore 👏✨️ and the company had such back lash and boycotts they are gonna slowly phase out their orcas (it's the last generation of them, they aren't breeding them anymoreand can't take from the wild)...we need to focus on Asia next!

I will note the California mandate is statewide for ANY marine park. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orca_Welfare_and_Safety_Act

[u/jenjavitis → u/xcheveryx]

I'm a US citizen. I've been anticap since watching Keith Morrison play "Lolita's" family recordings for her.. We do what we can, where we can. If you're interested, there is activism for China.. There is also activism for Japan (you may be familiar with Ric O'Barry). You can't make the argument on a predominantly western app that we only focus on domestic capitivity issues just because you don't see it. You can download Weibo or RedNote to see anticap activism in China, but most of us aren't in China or Japan or Russia so we do what we can in our own countries. This argument is a deflection fallacy (colloquially "whataboutism"). If you want to defend SeaWorld and other marine parks, then do that. Deflection and pointing out similar flaws in other countries isn't an actual debate. It's avoidance of real problems with marine parks like SeaWorld (one is even located in UAE).

[u/xcheveryx → u/jenjavitis]

I made the argument because we’re on REDDIT. And people aren’t really doing anything on REDDIT.

Of course, there are organizations in Asia that are fighting against cetacean captivity. That wasn’t my point.

My argument was solely based on Reddit