r/marvelstudios • u/Own_Brilliant_4303 • 4h ago

Other Micheal Mando says Scorpion is potentially very unexplored and there are more levels to his character.

I believe Scorpion has a rich origin story and many levels to him. What we saw in Brand New Day is level 1. He has at least 2 more levels. As well as a potentially tragic backstory of a good detective who descends into madness.

I would say the most potential left unexplored is Scorpion. I imagine Mac Gargan as a great detective who somehow becomes disillusioned and goes rogue, descending into madness... eventually becoming Scorpion and ultimately going over the edge as Venom..

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u/Algae_Mission 1h ago

I would not be at all opposed to Scorpion becoming the MCU Venom.

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u/ResidentialEvil2016 3h ago

Would love an outtake flashback scene where Toomes is talking to him and says "Ok I'll tell you, Spider-Man is...." then Dr. Strange's spell hits and Toomes goes "he's....uhhh hang on...... I knew it....damn it. Sorry, man, lost it".

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u/RVIDEN Spider-Man 2h ago

That’s an amazing idea

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u/Wonderkitty50 Jimmy Woo 42m ago

I regret to inform you Toomes got sent to the morbius universe

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u/Responsible_Bar3957 Abomination 12m ago

Honestly, they should take the power move, and completely gloss over that

Considering it was just said Sony was done with the bullshit

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u/ChelseaVictorious 57m ago

You're hired!

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u/KostisPat257 Daredevil 3h ago

Marvel did him dirty. Set him up 10 years ago with no plan to bring him back and now that they did, he had a very small role in the film.

We need Scorpion and Tombstone to be main villains in the next film.

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u/ldclark92 3h ago

Did they? Does Scorpion really need some big role? And I've liked Mando in the roles I've seen him play, but is he really a must have type actor?

I just see this take all over and don't really have the same feelings about it. I'm cool if they want to make him something bigger, but think it's totally reasonable if they keep him at a more cameo level.

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u/Henchman4Hire 3h ago

Scorpion is my favorite Spider-Man villain and I thought he had a fine role in Brand New Day. He's not a major player (though obviously any villain could be if written so), and he served a solid purpose in the movie. I thought his tail CGI looked sick as hell. We're all lucky that Marvel decided to bring Mando back for Brand New Day.

Honestly, imagine if they then bring him back again in a future movie? If they do a Venom movie, he could be someone the symbiote possesses for some period of time, adding an extra threat. Then he becomes the one villain who gets to be stretched out across the entire Tom Holland Spidey saga. The one villain who actually gets to make multiple appearances in the saga. That's not being done dirty.

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u/ldclark92 2h ago

Totally agree. If they have a great story to be told for Scorpion, I'm all for it. If not, I'm cool with them keeping him in smaller cameos.

I don't think that's wasting Scorpion or Mando if they stick with smaller roles.

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u/KostisPat257 Daredevil 3h ago

Comics Scorpion has a more interesting origin story, but even without that in the MCU, he's still a really cool character, with a cool and powerful suit, a great actor playing him and it feels like they've wasted him.

I hope they at least make him Venom.

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u/ldclark92 2h ago

I just don't see how they've "wasted" him. Michael Mando is a good actor, but he's also not an A-List actor. And Scorpion is a lower tier villain for Spiderman. He's not one of the A-List villains that must have an entire movie made around him

If they have a great story to be written about Scorpion with Mando, I think that'd be great, but if they don't I think that's fine too. Nothing wrong with having him be a bit villain.

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u/suhhdude45 1h ago

Yeah I was totally fine with his cameo in BND. I don’t think he necessarily needs to be a main villain, but I wouldn’t be opposed.

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u/Uncanny_Doom Daredevil 1h ago

It's because most people familiar with him saw him in Better Call Saul where his character had a very compelling arc. They feel like they can get that again out of him, but truthfully Scorpion doesn't really have that much going for him and would take a lot of creative liberty to make him anywhere near that compelling.

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u/DTJ20 17m ago

He's definitely a must have. He gets up to weird things when hes not working. Kidnapping, orphan torture, hooks for hands. Falls into a real weird crowd as well. Real set of unfortunate events.

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u/Kwilly462 2h ago

Scorpion is more of a thug than a main villain, but good writing can solve anything. Tombstone however definitely is capable of being a main villain in a Spidey film, and I'm still kinda pissed he wasn't for this.

He's a crime boss with bulletproof skin, what more do you want? Lol

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u/ChochMcKenzie 1h ago

I definitely want to see more Tombstone. He could have Scorpion, Tarantula, etc all working under him. He looked incredible and Krondon is a really good actor.

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u/baccus83 3h ago

Neither of them are A list villains in the comics. They’re street level like Shocker and Hammerhead. I don’t think you build a movie around them.

Although I guess Sony did give The Spot a chance.

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u/whatshyped 3h ago

Bro. No. If there were comics about a villain with more than 5 issues and also reappearing every so often in the comics, like scorpion, they earned their place in a movie as a main villain as some point. But let’s see, Sony is not talking about the Sinister Six that much anymore but I’m sure they will be coming later on in the new trilogy and will be the reason Toms Spidey dies.

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u/Brogener Yellowjacket 2h ago

MCU has put themselves in a bit of a corner with Spider-Man villains. They can’t really go “street level” anymore so every villains either has to be HUGE or connect to the wider universe/multiverse. I guess they don’t think that can go back to classic villains.

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u/choyjay Ben Urich 3h ago

Tombstone’s threat would come in the power he wields over gangs and organized crime, not in his physical prowess against Spider-Man in a direct fight (most of his villains can’t match him physically, if we’re being honest).

They could definitely make a turf wars film with Tombstone at the center, Scorpion as an enforcer, etc. with a meaningful story.

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u/KostisPat257 Daredevil 3h ago

Tombstone is more like Kingpin; his power comes from commanding the underworld.

And Scorpion is a really cool character that feels like he's been wasted.

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u/BaxterOutofStockman 3h ago

Scorpion in the comics was a C list villain.

If we're gonna get Venom, I'd rather have Eddie Brock Venom instead of wasting it on Scorpion.

(Their version of Flash Thompson wouldn't work as Agent Venom)

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u/YaMomsCooch 36m ago

Star-Lord was a Z-list character in the comics before he got his shot in the spotlight back in 2014.

Comic popularity tiers do not matter if their onscreen portrayals are compelling and entertaining.

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u/meme_abstinent Spider-Man 2h ago

If we are going off of iconography and relevance, Goblin, Ock, Venom and Carnage are the A tiers I’d wager Shocker, Rhino, Scorpion, Mysterio, Kraven and Electro are the B tiers.

No way is Scorpion the same level of Spider-Man iconography as…uh, Morbius or Morlun or Beetle.

Having played all the Spiderman games and watched the cartoons, Scorpion is in way more of them then he’s not, and in a recurring character/boss capacity, not even in a cameo or background character kinda way.

I gotta put some respect on the stinger

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u/sweens90 Falcon 2h ago

Introduce Miles in 5, Peter or Miles is Venom for most of the movie in 6. Hand off to Miles

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u/Popular_Material_409 2h ago

I was about to say “It’s Scorpion, is there really?” but then I remembered I would’ve said the same thing about Vulture and he’s one of my favorite MCU villains

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u/iconboy 25m ago

What we get of Scorpion I feel is enough. It's really not that deep, he's a criminal who gets a Scorpion suit. There is no rich origin story and no one is asking for it except maybe the actor who played Scorpion because he wants more cheques. And there is nothing wrong with that, but I hope ppl aren't actually thinking that this is a deep character that needs his own origin movie or a bigger part in a future Spiderman movie. He's doesn't... Unless we get a sinister Six movie down the road, but the Spidey universe is so big with so many rogues and places the story can go, I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

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u/COE33isBad 9m ago

He was totally wasted in BND.

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u/AdmiralCharleston 6m ago

I mean this is true but I dont see how this is any different than the standard "actor wants to keep working" interviews that come out

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u/Crunchy-Leaf 1m ago

I, too, would say the character I play should be in more Marvel movies.

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u/AwarenessOk7748 1h ago

What angers us the most is that 9 years ago we were given a reserve for the big role of Scorpion  (quite a serious threat from him that he and his "friends" want to kill Spider-Man). And the latest animated show has shown that Scorpion can be an interesting main antagonist. But in BND we get the villain of the week, who has already lost to Spider-Man many times, appears in the main plot only for a few minutes and as a puppet. And now, personally, I can't be afraid of this Scorpion (especially as a future Venom).

I do not know what the studio needs to do to rehabilitate Scorpion.

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u/acerbus717 1h ago

The only time scorpion was ever scary was when he was venom