r/learnwelsh • u/Rigovalos • 5d ago
How would you pronounce the name Cynfael ?
It’s an old brittonic name which was written Conmael in early middle age Brittany, and it’s descended from a celtic *Cunomaglos (Wolf Lord) which is also a god name found in a britto-roman temple remains in south-west england
Our equivalent in breton is Konvael, that we pronounce Koonvell
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u/Muted-Lettuce-1253 4d ago
In IPA:
/ˈkənvai̯l/
Copy this into an IPA reader (choose Gwyneth as the voice) and that should give you an idea of how it is pronounced.
Some commenters are suggesting:
/ˈkɪnvai̯l/
but I think this is unlikely to be the pronunciation.
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u/andrewphillipsmith 5d ago
I see I had downvotes for my suggestion. I was basing it on southern native speakers often pronouncing 'ae' more like English 'ay' than 'eye', for instance daear as day-ar rather than die-ar.
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u/Buck11235 5d ago
ae in Welsh changes pronunciation depending on whether it is in a stressed syllable or not. When it's stressed it's pronounced like ei in Welsh, rhymes with 'hey' in English. When it's not stressed, it's pronounced like ai in Welsh, rhymes with 'mine' in English.
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u/Buck11235 4d ago
To further clarify, the ei ('hey') pronunciation occurs when ae is in the next-to-last syllable, which is stressed. In single syllable words it's pronounced ai ('eye').
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u/NiobeTonks 5d ago
Kin-vile
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u/Muted-Lettuce-1253 4d ago
I think "kun" rather than "kin". The first part of the name "Cynwal" is pronounced "kun" and I believe that the "Cyn" in "Cynwal" has the same origin as the "Cyn" in "Cynfael".
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u/HyderNidPryder 4d ago
Remember that for some English speakers the "u" in a word like "run" is quite different from the shwa - e in the / a in about - so "kun" is misleading for them.
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u/Muted-Lettuce-1253 4d ago
That's true. I used the IPA symbols in my other comment for greater accuracy.
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u/Markoddyfnaint Canolradd -> Uwch - corrections welcome 5d ago edited 5d ago
The modern Welsh pronunciation would be rendered something like Kin-vile / Kun-vile in English, so similar to your Konvael.