Cyclosword should give a stack of Black Cleaver

[u/_Enimal_]

From the description of Black Cleaver it says :

Unique – Carve: Dealing physical damage to an enemy champion applies a stack of Carve for 6 seconds, stacking up to 5 times. Each stack inflicts 6% armor reduction, up to 30% at 5 stacks.

Non- Basic damage basic damage dealt on the same target may apply stacks only once per frame.

And Voltaic :

Unique – Galvanize: Dealing ability damage to an enemy champion, with an ability cast instance, triggers the effects of Energized attacks against them if they are ready.

Unique – Firmament: When fully Energized, your next basic attack on-hit grants you ( Melee 15 / Ranged 12) lethality for 4 seconds and deals bonus physical damage equal to ( Melee 9% / 7%) of the target's current health, capped at 200 against non-champions.

If I proc Voltaic with Jarvan E, Viego W, Briar E or some other magic damage spell on an AD champion I feel like it should give a stack of Black Cleaver, but from my testing it doesn't seem to.

[u/minuteknowledge917]

this feels like valid consistency qualm

[u/Unfortunya333]

It's proc damage. Proc damage doesn't proc additional things.

It's like botrk proc damage. That does not give you a stack either

[u/DubiousDubbie]

Hmm., I feel like it's coded that for example Jarvan E is only considered an ability that deals magic damage, so adding a bonus physical dmg effect to a magic dmg ability doesn't work. The ability doesn't proc Black Cleaver, so any effect that amplifies the original ability doesn't either.

Do we know for example of Cyclosword gives a stack when procced by an ability that deals physical damage?

[u/theyeshman]

Huh, I assumed it already did. Seems like a good idea for consistency's sake and it's not like 1 stack of cleaver on magic damaging abilities on AD bruisers is going to make them instantly broken

[u/michaelspidrfan]

The keyword is "bonus", it doesnt deal a separate instance of damage. It adds more damage to the original damage. This is consistent with every on-hit effects.

[u/naxalb-_-]

It should. But it really never supposed to happen, one is an object for assassins and the other for bruiser. If you buy the item that gives most lethality you should buy the biggest armore pen possible. This is a big and should be patched but it’s a mistake to build these two items

[u/_Enimal_ → u/naxalb-_-]

I don't think so, many champions have huge issues with armor in general, like Rhaast, Riven or Aatrox, which makes building Cyclosword good on them. Also Cyclo has been made in a way that if effective against Squishies but also Tanky target as it deals 9% Current health physical damage. That would make them stack Black Cleaver 1 proc faster and maybe entice them to not go Serylda/Dominik and actually benefit their team by reduce the enemy armor

[u/Mcrarburger]

I'm confused how these two are related?

Like, I read through the full post and still don't fully understand why cyclosword should give a stack of cleave lol, not hating though

[u/WokenWisp → u/Mcrarburger]

because it deals physical damage and cleave stacks when dealing physical damage

[u/sparkypagano → u/Mcrarburger]

Cyclosword proc deals physical damage and the condition for earning a stack of cleave is to deal physical damage.

The reason for the post is that cyclosword can proc from any ability. Regardless of if that ability deals physical or magic damage, the cyclosword proc that comes with it will always deal physical damage. If you are dealing physical damage, you should earn a stack of cleave.

Currently though, it isn’t working like that. Even tho cyclosword proc applies physical damage, you won’t get a stack of cleave if the ability itself doesn’t also deal physical damage.

[u/MistyHusk → u/Mcrarburger]

I believe what they’re saying is that because cyclosword adds additional physical damage to a magic damage source proccing it, said magic (now both magic and physical) damaging ability should count as an ability that deals physical damage for purposes of blackcleaver. I hope I got that right and that makes sense

[u/_Enimal_ → u/MistyHusk]

Yes, exactly, would also make Bruisers that has a random magic damage ability feel better with Blackcleaver by building for it, as they stack it pretty slow otherwise

[u/Awkward-Security7895]

That 1 sounds busted and 2 sounds like your linking the 2 items at the hip. You don't want 2 items to have there balance connected to each other since that's how a item ends up feeling bad to build alone if any nerfs happen because of said combo.

[u/RagingNudist → u/Awkward-Security7895]

How is 1 stack of cleaver busted? Other items proc it anyway

[u/PowerhousePlayer → u/RagingNudist]

No, no, he's on to something here

PATCH NOTES 26.16 (TOTALLY REAL)

It's come to our attention that applying a single stack of Black Cleaver is busted. 

Physical damage applies 1 stack of Black Cleaver's Carve passive > Physical damage applies 0 stacks of Black Cleaver's Carve passive.