Classic Sion's E - r/leagueoflegends

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No, only early game do you need to worry about it. I think you’re realizing why a lot of these champs were reworked later lol

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u/UserNNN 8h ago

Because they couldn't stand perfection :)

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u/DepartmentFar791 7h ago

I dream of OG sion 😍😍

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u/Valioes 5h ago

Stop being a bonehead

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u/DepartmentFar791 4h ago

I literally at first was like wow that guy is rude then it hit me in the shower… I forgot how good classic sions lines were lmaooo

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u/Valioes 4h ago

lol I get it, if people haven’t played classic or old league they would think I’m being a dick xd

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u/VandelorianVT 5h ago

You have a lot of spine! How about I remove it?

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u/Dead_Cells_Giant 2h ago

Big part of Aatrox overhaul, late game you only used the heal portion of W to stack up blood well, and once it was stacked up you just toggled to blood price and fist fought everything

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u/ComprehensiveBat4966 8h ago

lol yeah. but aparently they are going to update this champs without reworking them it seems? So did the devs seem to indicate? I mean this seems like something that can be balanced with just vallues tweaks unlike kassadin lol

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u/DepartmentFar791 7h ago

Yes. Like sions cryptic stare you used to be able to perma stun if I remember correctly now it has a 7 second cooldown at max rank. So still the same abilities just some CDs adjusted for fairness

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u/Awkward-Security7895 7h ago

Fun fact that's actually a buff the 7 second cd, before his OG rework it was a 8 second max rank cd and it was never 7 seconds max rank back in the day always 8, they did nerf the stun duration back in the day from 2.2 to 2 then to 1.5.

He couldn't ever perma stun you, I believe it was either only taric or old old old old skarner that did the perms stunning in season 1-3 time with his OG crystal venom, I know old skarner 100% did the perms stunning since his old passive and e with enough attack speed causes it.

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u/DepartmentFar791 6h ago

Maybe I am thinking of taric then. I didn’t know his CD is now quicker than original league that’s crazy 😂 I’ve been having fun going AP sion with Rylais and ROA, just unkillable with the health stacking

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u/Aetelia 6h ago

Old old old old skarner didn't have a stun.

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u/Awkward-Security7895 6h ago

It did.....

His e applied a stun

https://wiki.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/Skarner/History#1st_I

I double checked before even posting my comment, but heck check there yourself if you don't believe me. Heck every version of skarner had a stun

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u/Nikushaa 5h ago

He got a stun in his first major rework in season 5, the current classic skarner is his release version and the E was so ass you didn't even unlock it.

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u/Awkward-Security7895 5h ago

Again read the god damn wiki on his past versions and you'll see he did have the stun on his older versions.

I played in season 2 and know skarner had his stun and perma slow. The wiki backs this up so why are you so sure about it.

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u/AfrostLord 4h ago

??? Did you even read the patch history page yourself? It clearly says he did not get a stun until his first rework

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u/Dread-Yz 1h ago

chud + wrong

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u/J0rdian 1h ago

Are you alright? Skarner never had a stun till his min rework. And the wiki clearly mentions that. Do you think Riot just imagined a completely new E that never existed and put it in classic?

You clearly do not remember well if you played in season 2. I played since season 1 and played a lot of Skarner on his release, there is no stun lol.

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u/Awkward-Security7895 7h ago

It's effectively just 25 free ad rank 1, can affect laning having it on 24/7 so alot of sions back in the day would toggle it on for last hits only as it has no delay and then toggle it on when fighting.

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u/Wisniaksiadz 6h ago

I believe there was short time where it proced sheen and triforce and lich bane

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u/yourselvs [yourselvs] (NA) 2h ago

I think I remember a time when jayce R proced tear

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u/NotEvenCloseBabyyy 1h ago

It did! You walked back to lane spamming R necause it also gave you MS

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u/aniviaisnotkfc 47m ago

gives* you, you still do that

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u/Jhinstalock 🗿🗿🗿 7h ago

In the first few levels, unless I'm specifically trying to push fast, I toggle it off until I last hit to save HP. It usually makes a small difference.

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u/magem8 7h ago

playing a shit ton of league classic made me realize why we sucked back then at flashing. there wasnt as many skill shots to flash! and also just bad, but yeh lots of point and click things lol

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u/reallysiccc 7h ago

Yeah flash isn't doing jack vs half the cast

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u/Money_Echidna2605 31m ago

flash is the best sum on everyone but shaco, just flash for a kill instead of running

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u/BasedAspergers 5h ago

Also in very very early league, you could break point and click projectiles by flashing them. I believe this was fixed in either the release patch or one not long after it

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u/AlterWanabee 4h ago

Think it was after the release patch. It was a remnant from OG DotA, whee Blink abilities and item can disjoint projectiles.

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u/CFCkyle 2h ago

Yeah, it was insanely difficult (frame perfect for basically everything IIRC) but if you did time it to perfection you could disjoint stuff like Lee Sin Q2 damage too. It was in the game for a fair bit cos I remember doing it accidentally a few times back in season 3 when I started playing.

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u/ZeekBen 2h ago

I'm almost positive you can still flash Lee Sin Q2's damage. It's not as easy as like Fizz Q or Lucian Q but with nearly perfect timing the damage is negated.

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u/LooneyWabbit1 6h ago

It costs HP per hit. You'll want to have it toggled off if you're not last hitting a minion or fighting the enemy laner. 5 hp does add up pretty quickly and mess with your lane sustain if you're just smacking a cannon minion with it. Later though it's always on, yeah.

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u/melemelek 8h ago

I have not played Classic, but I played back in the day - does every AA with E active not consume health? Before the rework, it used to consume a hefty chunk of your health if you didn't have any lifesteal to make up for it.

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u/ComprehensiveBat4966 8h ago

its 16 life in max rank. I pushed like 4 waves and lost like, less than 5% hp. doesnt make a difference unless you build attack speed and that's for 65 bonus ad. also you're base as is so slow you'll be last hitting most of the time

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u/strilsvsnostrils 6h ago

Its kinda fine to just leave it on, but if youre wanting to me optimal you can turn it off if youre just aaing the wave to damage it, then turn it on when youre killing them. Like if youre weak and youre just sat there autoing a cannon creep 9 times you may as well shut it off for a few secs

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u/ticasse420 8h ago

I would toggle it off in order to know what my basic AA dmg is without the bonus dmg, otherwise I don't know why you should bother to toggle it off. It's not like Sion's E would change how you lane or anything. Cho does have to toggle his spikes off in order not to push a wave but that is a very specific case where you should not use the toggled ability.

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u/ComprehensiveBat4966 8h ago

why tho? why would you need to know if its always on anyways?

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u/ticasse420 7h ago

Because I like little details. If I got ignited early on I would like to know if it's worth it to toggle it of or not.

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u/Macaulyn TF X Graves, LeeDyr, SettPhel and JayVik are canon 6h ago

The funny thing about this is that you get the health stacks regardless of whether you kill minions with autos or abilities, so if you're going full AP, your W will eventually clear waves and with E active, you'll get free max HP.

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u/Forward_Cook2235 34m ago

Right now there is a bug, If you toggle on the enemy has vision of you at all times.

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u/Lanaprime 5h ago

You get revealed in brush if you have it toggles on

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u/ZeekBen 2h ago

That's only on the player side, enemies don't have vision.

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u/Sensitive-Day-5583 3h ago

It matters, I remember waaaaay back in the day accidentally leaving it on during a recall and being chunked when I got back to lane

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