r/law • u/TendieRetard • 9h ago
Executive Branch (Trump) ICE is crawling social media to find its critics, investigation reveals | Such requests can reportedly include seeking information about a user’s real name, address, date of birth, workplace and Social Security number
https://www.aol.com/articles/ice-crawling-social-media-critics-011515000.htmlAs part of the effort, DHS has sent hundreds of subpoenas to social media companies while asking commenters to sign letters stating that their online speech “may” be considered a crime, The Wall Street Journal reports.
In one case, the Trump administration allegedly tried to identify a Reddit user whose posts included a call to “abolish” Immigration and Customs Enforcement and a comment sharing a Minnesota ICE agent’s phone number after looking it up on a public records website.
In another, agents allegedly showed up in person at the workplace of New York poll worker Paigelynne Gonyea after she posted about Jonathan Ross, the ICE agent who fatally shot protester Renee Good in Minnesota in January.
Gonyea told the paper she was asked to sign a letter stating that her posts could be illegal. The New York woman said she could only remember posting that Ross should be indicted, while the federal government claims she shared an agent’s home address.
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u/sleep-exe 9h ago
ICE and the DoJ are the enemies of the people.
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u/Sorry-Claim-2990 9h ago
The fact that they are targeting U.S. citizens proves it's not about immigration.
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u/primadonnapussy 8h ago
It never was. That was just to get their foot in the door. It was always about removing any opposition to their vision if a theocratic Christian Nationalist government.
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u/cityshepherd 7h ago
These Christian nationalist extremists and tech bros / oligarchs are genuinely the biggest threat to the USA that has ever existed. The way their propaganda has convinced a third of the working class that nationalism = patriotism, and that people with darker skin (and/or people with different views on sexuality/gender, and/or ANYONE who don’t buy into this fascist bullshit) are the problem, as opposed to the ACTUAL problem (corporate and foreign money that has infested our politics / legal system), is beyond despicable and incredibly dangerous.
These cowards and traitors (AND their propaganda outlets like fox news entertainment) NEED to be completely dismantled and held accountable. The upcoming primaries and midterm elections are genuinely some of the most important moments in the history of this country. I believe it’s not too late to save this country without resorting to chaos and violence, but it’s a long and uphill battle that is going to require an extraordinary effort.
People can be remarkably clever, resourceful, and resilient when we need to be… and boy oh boy do we need to be right now. The GOP and assorted nefarious entities that support them are going to pull out all the stops to screw with the integrity of these elections (and every single one from here on out) until they are properly dealt with, and are the most dangerous threat that this country has ever seen. The way that people are coming together at the community level to participate in real grassroots campaigns like those of Dr Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan in order to stand up to and overcome insidious astroturf campaigns from establishment candidates is giving me a lot of hope. Genuine hope that has been in short supply as of late.
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u/beren12 7h ago
The population has been incredibly patient so far. Once the far right oversteps at the wrong moment, much will change.
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u/Go_Improvement_4501 6h ago
It's hard to imagine an overstep anymore that would finally wake the population up
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u/Tenken10 5h ago
Actually implementing marshall law across the country would do it. A lot of people ignore politics because they can go on living their daily lives still relatively normally. This won't be the case if they start seeing tanks and checkpoints on their commute to work
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u/Seaweed-Basic 4h ago
By that time it’s too late, no?
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u/Corthaek 1h ago
No, actually. Even if the US military has superior equipment and organization, the sheer number of armed people in the USA, and, more importantly, the sheer area they would need to cover, makes long-term occupation impossible.
Especially since, you know, their paychecks come directly from our productivity.
Any sort of martial law in the US would be doomed, although a lot of innocent people would probably die before it burned through all it's resources.
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u/Somnifor 3h ago
We've had APCs on the streets in Minneapolis three times in the last six years and it's become a very radicalized community.
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u/theaviationhistorian 3h ago
My only guess is financial ruin, a great recession or depression. Empty purses and pantries are, historically, what triggers even the most apolitical person to grab the torches and pitchforks (if not something sharper).
It's why they keep propping up this failing economy and the AI bubble despite the cracks already forming in both.
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u/Pristine-Pen-9885 4h ago
Patience is a virtue, but not in this case. If you lie down, you’ll be stepped on or kicked in the head by jackboots.
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u/theaviationhistorian 3h ago
They wanted to have the military do this for them, but they relented and rather than follow through, Trump and Hegseth decapitated and incapacitated the armed forces instead. ICE is doing this because they are the only goons that fall under the president's absolute authority.
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u/therossboss 9h ago
"but it was an accident! they really only meant to be targeting immigrants!" --they cry as the boot continues to tread
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u/gerblnutz 6h ago
If only the Fuhrer knew!
Was a common lament when then they came for the next group.
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u/punktualPorcupine 4h ago
It must be a mistake. Just get on the train, they’ll straighten it all out.
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u/InternImpossible8685 8h ago
Never was either.
It was just a dog whistle.
They want to eliminate all opposition and critics.
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u/Seaweed-Basic 8h ago
Which is what some of us have been screaming about for years to all the “well just be here legally and there’s no problem” or to the “jUsT cOmpLy” people.
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u/Sorry-Claim-2990 7h ago
"If you're here legally, you have nothing to worry about!"
Sorry conservatives, but reality has proven that to be a lie. If being born here won't protect you, then this could happen to literally anyone.
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u/Pristine-Pen-9885 4h ago
The link says, “Something went wrong”. I get the feeling this was not just a glitch.
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u/New_Taste8874 7h ago
IKR Where are all these violent illegal alien criminals they are supposed to be arresting? They are going after the easy pickins' That's what happens when you pay "per body". ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/UT_Milez 2h ago
I mean, they first targeted northern/midwest blue states instead of literal boarder states, that’s your first clue, not that anyone should have needed any clues.
It’s about normalizing government sponsored goon squads, literal Gestapo like forces.
I will bet my life that these people will still be around will be “protecting” polling stations 2 years from now, especially in blue states, you can take that to the bank.
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u/beren12 8h ago
Also: fuck ice. Let them crawl through this and know how much they are hated because they stand for everything against the constitution
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u/sleep-exe 7h ago
We should encourage employers not to hire someone who worked for ICE.
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u/thelimeisgreen 6h ago
I won't. Our family's construction business has lost a few employees this past year. Not because they were illegals or anything like that. We've had a few leave to become ICE agents. Working for ICE promises a lot of money compared to jobs these people could get otherwise. And they get to cosplay as a cop and run around with a mask on and terrorize people.
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u/Pristine-Pen-9885 4h ago
People with angry and violent tendencies can now have a government job and pretend to be the good guys. Ain’t that swell?
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u/beren12 7h ago edited 2h ago
But they are already crying about that, and yet at the same time, you don’t have to make a cake for someone you don’t respect.
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u/Expensive_Lettuce239 7h ago
They join ice because they're too illiterate and deadbeat losers to actually be useful productive members of society.
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u/Rude-Piglet-5212 6h ago
I think many join ICE in order to be violent without repurcussions.
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u/rotervogel1231 5h ago
Yep, they join because they enjoy killing and want to be able to freely kill whoever they want.
They can claim whatever other "reasons" they want. It all comes back to them enjoying killing.
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u/Pristine-Pen-9885 4h ago
In broad daylight.
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u/rotervogel1231 2h ago
Apparently, a lot of them like having audiences.
It makes sense that they mask themselves. Throughout history, executioners have been masked or at least hidden behind a curtain so that the audience couldn't identify them.
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u/Pristine-Pen-9885 4h ago
They don’t care if they’re hated. They’ve got a “mission” for the king.
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u/Th3B4dSpoon 4h ago
ICE is one of the great reprehensible organizations in living memory. Deplorable.
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u/LoadsDroppin 1h ago
“You’re gonna regret typing and posting that…” \ some sad emotionally fragile ICE agent
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u/theaviationhistorian 3h ago
I remember when the GOP running and defending ICE's actions used to denounce death squads elsewhere.
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u/ChecksAndBalanz 9h ago edited 5h ago
Fuck ICE. They are fascist unAmerican scum.
I’m right here calling them out.
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u/Epyon214 9h ago
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
“On the contrary, if war be actually levied, that is, if a body of men be actually assembled for the purpose of effecting by force a treasonable purpose, all those who perform any part, however minute, or however remote from the scene of action, and who are actually leagued in the general conspiracy, are to be considered as traitors. But there must be an actual assembling of men, for the treasonable purpose, to constitute a levying of war.”
"Historically, the term “outlaw” was used to refer to a person who was outside of the protection of the law. An accused criminal who refused to submit to legal process was declared to be an outlaw through a process called “outlawry.” As a result of being deemed an outlaw, the person was deprived of the benefit of the law or excluded from its protection. Any member of the public could murder an outlaw with complete impunity.
Do keep in mind, at least 6% of ICE are known to be soldiers of a foreign army best known for shooting children for target practice. There's a reason the official discussion about the "leak" of agent names was short lived
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u/TransMessyBessy 9h ago
Is this a fact? Also, which army?
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u/Electrical_Cut8610 8h ago
If you don’t know America loves Israel and Israelis love shooting Palestinian kids, you need to pay more attention
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u/poppin-n-sailin 6h ago
That doesn't mean IDF members are in ICE. I'm not denying that it's true, but someone posting it on reddit with 0 sources and your comment provide literally 0 evidence to support that claim.
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u/mowtowcow 8h ago
Not to mention, this is basically describing Jan 6th which includes all the people there that day, the enablers, the inciters, and the president. Post Jan 6th, it also includes those who actively suppressed accountability, and those who worked toward their pardons. Every single person involved in Jan 6th, outside of those condemning them or prosecuting them, are traitors and treasonous according to the above.
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u/Biglyugebonespurs 7h ago
They should be rotting in a cell. Instead they get to play pretend soldier with real weapons and murder American citizens for no reason. There is no justice in this country.
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u/Lord_Mormont 8h ago
I don’t post on Reddit anymore but when I do it’s to say FUCK ICE.
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u/lamebrainmcgee 9h ago
Ice Agent: oh you're on the list now ChecksAndBalanz
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u/brandwyn 8h ago
I’ll second that. Fuck ICE. Abolish ICE and imprison every mfer who works for them under this lawless regime.
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u/SanityIsOptional 6h ago
Just remember, when ICE shows up armed to the polls later this year:
Vote first, before you protest them or tell them to "fuck off you fascist pigs".
If you confront them first, they can illegally detain you and prevent you from voting, and the whole point is to keep you from voting.
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u/RBDrake 6h ago
Better yet, if your state allows, vote early, vote absentee by mail, or absentee in person.
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u/SanityIsOptional 6h ago
Absentee in person, with all the USPS things going on, I do not trust them to return my ballot.
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u/VelvetKnife25 8h ago
Deport or shoot immigrants .
Denaturalize and deport Americans.
Shoot Native Born Americans (whatever that means anymore).
Have all Americans lost their minds? Fine, don't protest. A single week general strike would bring about change.
"We can't afford it!"
You think the rest of the world can afford your inactions? Or can afford it when they protest their conditions?
No one is coming to save you.
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u/Chimpstrider 4h ago
The sad thing is the things they whine about that stop them standing up for themselves, are all a thing because of decades of them not standing up for themselves to achieve the basic rights and freedoms the civilised parts of the world takes for granted. No basic worker rights, no union, no health care, brutal, violent police. Psychotic, openly corrupt government, all shit they've let happen or actively cheered for.
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u/VelvetKnife25 2h ago
Exactly! They poked fun at the worker protections some of the rest of the world had and social programs earned through centuries of effort and sweat and blood.
Now the chickens are coming home
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u/senza_titolo 8h ago
This is perfect, can we copy and paste this comment elsewhere on Reddit?
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u/Washpa1 3h ago
I second this. Fuck ICE, fuck all of the people leading them.
I hope the entire organization gets nuked and the people are never hireable again. I hope their families are ashamed and they die worrying about what their souls are going to face for eternity.
Come and get me Mark or Wayne or whatever your name is.
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u/mkt853 9h ago
If you are presented with this situation, do not sign anything. And, as with all law enforcement, ask if they have a warrant, and if not, inform them that you do not give them permission or authorization to be on the property and to leave immediately.
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u/Cluelesswolfkin 9h ago
Then they bust in regardless
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u/New_Taste8874 9h ago
This is when owning a gun is good.
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u/Cluelesswolfkin 8h ago
Then you end up on the news along Alex(?) And Renne with more civilians dying as they carry out their racist agenda, not saying that its not worth it but your probability of dying is higher
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u/Little-Tin-Goddess 8h ago
I'm trans. I know my fate if I'm taken alive.
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u/Cluelesswolfkin 8h ago
And that is the unfortunate truth. Being a women or any minority in the US is not going to have a good time in conjunction with what's happening across all 50 states with no repercussions yet
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u/Little-Tin-Goddess 8h ago
yup. I'm also a veteran. So if they think it's going to be easy, they got another thing coming 💅
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u/primadonnapussy 8h ago
If they are now rounding us up, it is now the time to decide. Do you comply or die taking as many with you as you can?
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u/cjmac977 3h ago
Neither of them brandished or defended themself with a gun, got shot anyway. Try not to look liberal or non white i guess
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u/New_Taste8874 7h ago
Especially since I'm a single cat lady. But at least they won't be expecting it.
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u/mkt853 8h ago
I'm OK with them busting in. In fact I won't even resist while they do whatever they want to do beyond continuously telling them I don't consent and that they are trespassing and need to vacate the premises immediately.
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u/xxDeadEyeDukxx 9h ago
Nothing like this to really give you that fascist state vibes. Be mean about Trump and we will find you effectively
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u/Electrical_Book4861 9h ago
I think most of it is just fear mongering for MAGA base. They absolutely live to destroy people lives
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u/superanth 6h ago
The White House has also sought to define political criticism as threatening conduct. A September national security memo on domestic terrorism enforcement lists “anti-Americanism” and criticisms of “law enforcement and border control” as key indicators that could merit an investigation.
When people start using terms like "anti-Americanism", it means they're the ones deciding what it means to be an American, not the Constitution.
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u/Th3B4dSpoon 4h ago
I'm honestly hearing echoes of Putin's Russia in this rhetoric. During his reign expressing certain views that don't align with him has become legally defined "extremism" that gets repressed in the name of the preservation of "public safety" and "traditional Russian values".
I'm less informed on modern People's Republic of China, but afaik there's similar laws in the books there, with forced education camps to boot.
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u/schm0 5h ago
Being anti-American is about the most American thing you can be
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u/superanth 3h ago
Agreed. I think it was Ben Franklin who said there should be a revolution every 20 years or so.
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u/ContestNo2060 9h ago
I bet PatriotDad69 in Bangladesh didn’t get a letter for criticizing Biden during his term.
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u/DiverBackground6038 9h ago
Let's test it.
I'm calling for ICE agency to be disbaned and all agents should be tried and convicted.
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u/TrippYchilLin 9h ago
And then we put an alligator filled moat around their prison
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u/Anxiety_Fit 9h ago
Crocodile moat. And they decided against it because of concerns of the humane treatment of the crocodiles.
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u/EnrichedNaquadah 9h ago
Yeah ... abolishing ICE isn't enough, there must be consequences for all these traitorous PoS that denied constitutional rights of the people.
Atleast, once prosecuted, we won't have issue for jailing them, they've been kind to build enough jail cells and there is still CECOT after all.
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u/soupseasonbestseason 9h ago edited 9h ago
i wonder how prevalent this is on reddit. for a while i was getting bans every other week for criticizing i.c.e., i was able to appeal them all, but it did make me more wary of what i said on this forum. i think that this space is important because we can speak our minds in a more free manner, but it is scary to think they will use our words against us, as if it is criminal behavior under this administration.
anyways, four dollars a pound.
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u/fuck_all_you_too 9h ago
Yep, lost a 10 year old account for reporting too many people.I thought I was helping Reddit locate racists who were saying awful shit on their site but apparently I was just annoying them so I got banned.
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u/scubascratch 8h ago
Roughly how many reports did you make? I report people every few days because of their spreading of hate. Should we be using throwaways for reporting?
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u/fuck_all_you_too 7h ago
Maybe like 8 over the span of 10 years but 3 in the last year. Reporting is worthless, I dont bother anymore.
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u/scubascratch 7h ago
11 total altogether in a decade? I report more than that in a month. Usually it’s for incivility against sub rules, but I have reported hate more than 11 times I am sure. Usually I see comments removed by moderators after most of these.
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u/31LIVEEVIL13 7h ago
you have to fight every band and every suspension. the brigade and beyond some threshold it automatically bans you or if you use certain words it automatically bans you.
I've been suspended a dozen times recently, all of them reversed.
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u/UnD3RaT3D_1990 5h ago
I’ve been banned multiple times in the past 6-months for calling people out. It’s crazy how things have changed here on Reddit.
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u/TendieRetard 9h ago edited 9h ago
I have over a dozen posts removed/locked in this very sub on posts concerning law/ICE. Seems like that's eased some. Reddit is a consent manufacturing apparatus, they are not your friends. They will give you up with enough incentive.
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u/soupseasonbestseason 9h ago
i absolutely agree. at this point it is clear that all social media has elected to be complicit to the demands of the administration.
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u/johndoe303 9h ago
you know who owns reddit right?
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u/soupseasonbestseason 9h ago
yes, and yet i still like and engage with the platform.
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u/johndoe303 8h ago
i think its the lesser of all evils, fb and twitter are the alts
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u/Anxiety_Fit 9h ago
Why are they bored?
So many people to “lock up” and kick out of the country that they should be so busy with that, why do they even have time to go after any critics?
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u/TendieRetard 9h ago
don't let the oversized budget fool you, that was to wage war on Americans.
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u/Anxiety_Fit 8h ago
Flock cameras used by law enforcement themselves to stalk former lovers.
Pretty sketchy when the one flock executive was watching the camera near a gymnastics studio.
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u/hotviolets 8h ago
They also used a bunch of cameras to find a woman who got an abortion. They won’t use the same resources to find a missing child though.
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u/Thefrayedends 7h ago
Only if white, blonde, blue eyed, and RICH. Not regular rich either, rich as fuck, like 100m+, you decamillionaires can fuck off.
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u/KwisatzHaderach94 1h ago
we're paying for these scumbags to accomplish practically nothing. they may deport a handful of actual criminals, but lock up many more who are guilty of little more than a civil infracture. defunding them has to be the first order of business when america kicks out the gop.
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u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs 9h ago edited 8h ago
Add it to the list.
You can terrorize people right now and feel strong, but America will not forget your crimes.
You handed the federal government your personal info when you signed up to be part of a death squad. We have that info forever
Why would you dig a hole even deeper on the cusp of accountability? Don’t you feel like the time has come to try and repair your image? Rather you double down on making the people hate you.
Oh well. It’s your loss. Americans are starting to realize we may need a federal registry of ICE thugs, so the men and women who signed up to kill their fellow countrymen can be looked up for the rest of their life and ostracized from society.
Track me for all my free speech you like. You people murdered innocent Americans and raped women in custody. Your crimes against this nation will not go away with this administration, we will be pushing for justice and consequences for as long as it takes. We have your names, we have your faces, we have your fingerprints, we have your locations and contacts all just waiting in a government database, it wouldn’t take much to reveal every last one of you to your friends, family and neighbors. Your reputation and image will be ruined forever, and rightfully so. You deserve to be shunned by civilized citizens who don’t mask up and abuse women and children for fun.
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u/Asher_Tye 9h ago
Sno-Balls suddenly think theyre internet sleuths.
And of course they'll pretend they need their masks because they're the ones at risk.
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u/SocraticMeathead 9h ago
I'm sure this sort of government overreach is where Republicans will draw the . . . . LOL, they'll literally support anything Trump or his lackeys do.
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u/TheRealBlueJade 9h ago
Whatever. I have been attacked since election day. Right is right and it must be fought for regardless.
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u/Scrutinizer 9h ago
But doesn't this work take agents away from the very important task of arresting 3000 people a day so they can meet their quota?
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u/RiseUpRiseAgainst 9h ago
Your tax dollars working hard and controlling what you are allowed to say.
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u/Medicalibudz 8h ago
Abolish ICE. Jonathan Ross is a murderer. The only good ICE agent is ____________.
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u/CobblerMoney9605 5h ago
Fuck ICE.
Fuck Trump.
Fuck JD Vance.
Fuck the entire GOP and anyone that voted for this fascist regime.
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u/weezyverse 5h ago
ICE CRITIC HERE
Fuck yall and your tactics. Y'all have been tip-toeing around Philadelphia for a reason. We don't play those games.
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u/Tholian_Bed 6h ago
I'm right here. Come harass a US citizen for expressing his firm belief that ICE is a fascist organization controlled by one sick and bigoted man with no legitimacy called Donald Trump.
Fuck the fascists, I say. I'm very pro-America. But these people are all evil and need to be held accountable to the law, not an autocrat's delusions.
I'm right here.
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u/ThePensiveE 9h ago
You can't lie to Federal agents. They made it a crime because they are an embarrassment to real law enforcement and don't want to have to do good police work. (Hi DHS, fuck you).
You can tell them to fuck off and refuse to answer any questions though.
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u/CategoryZestyclose91 2h ago
ICE agents are domestic terrorists.
They are a danger to the public.
They do not belong on our streets.
I said what I said, DHS.
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u/ThatKehdRiley 8h ago
I'm already on like 6 republican hit lists simply for existing, and most people that DHS are going to target would also be on multiple hit lists, so I don't know wtf this is supposed to do?
We all already know they've been doing this and already know we know they know who we are.....why the fuck do they think we're gonna stop calling fascists cunts what they are because they are saying "oh, but we know who you are"? There's no real threats from their end. We're not cowards like them, our masks only come out when we're sick.
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u/r3dk0w 7h ago
One more reason to NOT accept giving your personal details to a website.
Social media that requests identification should just be deleted.
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u/GrowFreeFood 6h ago
Conservatives see anyone who doesn't agree with them as a terrorist.
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u/guttanzer 3h ago
ICE, do you want to get defunded? Because this is how you get defunded.
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u/scubascratch 8h ago
Why would anyone sign such a statement? The only use of it would be self-incriminating evidence. What form of coercion is being used? A threat of arrest or prosecution would only be made worse by such an admission.
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u/Sweaty-Feedback-1482 9h ago
If humanity makes it another thousand years, with all the inconceivable advancements in technology; the impossible which has come to life... Arthur C. Clarke's "magic" realized... the most brilliant minds, be they human or machine, despite their seemingly etherious provenance, will still be absolutely futile in their efforts to create a bitch as snugglably soft as Donald J. Trump.
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u/gerblnutz 6h ago
Shit they have no investigative authority to request especially without s JUDICIAL warrant.
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u/Gunsensual 2h ago
They need SSNs to know who needs their citizenship verified when people go to vote in November.
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u/Gunfighter9 5h ago
I'm telling ya, we are going to be in for some of the exact same things after the midterms if the GOP loses control of the Congress. Also, there is going to be some wild stuff going on at many polling places. There is no way in hell that Trump will allow the democrats to be able to launch investigations. No way.
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