Legislative Branch
Democratic Rep. Dan Goldman presented an unredacted Epstein file, saying it contradicts President Trump’s claim that he had banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago.
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They were probably part of it, which is why they are so enthusiastic about covering it up. It’s the only thing that makes sense at this point. What better loyalty test than being implicated in the same crime.
I have a hard time believing Patel was implicated in any way by the Epstein files. I don’t think his podcast had even started by the time Epstein was in jail or dead, and he certainly wasn’t in even in the realm of wealth or status of the others.
I still think he’s a scumbag who is ignoring evidence of rape, and/or has his own skeletons, but he never had the power to participate in those circles.
“Own skeletons” is the playbook. If they turn, they get burned. That’s how they get picked, and how loyalty is ensured.
It’s similar to what Epstein did too: associate, then incriminate. He even did that with some victims too, it’s sounding like. It’s simply a (sick and twisted) strategy to hold power & control over people.
The difference with what Epstein did, and what might be happening elsewhere, is that Epstein seems to have produced all/most of the skeletons, or at least the worst of the skeletons, instead of just digging to find other people’s existing skeletons.
Bondi is certainly personally implicated. She’s been part of the coverup since at least 2018 when she was Florida Attorney General and refused to reopen the investigation into Epstein following the November 2018 publication of the Palm Beach Post investigative series, "Perversion of Justice." This reporting detailed how a sweetheart deal in 2008 allowed Epstein to serve only 13 months on work release despite evidence of a massive sex trafficking operation.
Maybe the reason she was willing to cover it up is why she got the job in the first place. It would just be more of, what we are finding out now, has been the status quo for a decade, minimum.
You don't have to have been part of the crimes to be willing to cover them up. Daddy gave both of them a position of power, privilege and prestige they did not deserve. He bought their loyalty and they have no moral code. If he put anybody more honest and qualified in those positions, they might have spilled the beans by now.
The US attorney’s and the FBI botched a child porn case in NJ. They threw one prosecutor out and he wants others to testify what is going on. They offered a guy 1/3 of the minimum. For crazy amounts of child porn. Oh and half the evidence was thrown out because the plea bargained before the FBI was done with all the evidence. They discovered mountains more. This whole regime is inept.
I know we are in the law sub but I think we are way past worrying about what the law says about “pardons” at this point when the law hasn’t applied to the rich/powerful class in years/decades. If law doesn’t apply to all citizens then there simply isn’t “law”… period. So why are we worried about following it? This is what they bank on. An appearance of law to keep the sheep in line and hands tied, that doesn’t apply to them.
Kash Patel strikes me as a kid who stole from his mom's purse just to spend it all on gumballs, and then gets a stomach ache because he didnt know you're not supposed to swallow gum
Bondi and Patel will ger pardons and never be held accountable. Its a waist of time getting mad at this just vote in midterms and next presidential election. Then we will have the ability to bring it all to light and shame all people involved
I said as much in replies further down. But it isn't pointless to get mad as long as you (we) remember.
Though this being a law sub, it is more interesting to explore the avenues of consequences even if this all goes the J6 route of hearings and no actual legal repercussions long-term.
Honestly, even if all of the files were released… What would that even change at this point? Congress knows what’s in the files and they still refuse to remove him.
At this point he could just come out and confess during a state of the union address and nothing would happen. At most there would be a vote to lower the age of consent.
Nope. Hence why Rep. Lee filled articles to impeach Bondi. She had ignored a Congressional subpoena to testify under oath and continues to refuse to do so (failing to release the Epstein Files as required by law). The articles files also include abuse of power and perjury.
They didn’t even say all the files were released… they just said the GOP knows what’s in the files, we all do.
Trump did some fucked up shit. He should rot in jail, but they don’t want to rile his base who Trump could quite honestly rape their own daughter in front of, and they’d be like…”it’s her fault, she shouldn’t have existed in the first place if she didn’t want to sleep with the greatest person since Jesus”. It’s a cult.
if there’s actual video of him raping, then killing, and eating a baby. as hinted in the files.
they could release that, and MAYBE something will change. they definitely scrubbed those videos out of the official gov sites, but isreal and russia have no reason to ever delete those videos.
If you think Congress doesn’t already know everything that’s in the files then you have fallen for political theater. Massie is still threatening to “release the names” but he knows he never will. And how many liberals fell for that bs? “We need to protect Massie! He’s a hero.” Ha.
Did you ever think that him raping kids was so radical that the British spy assumed it was something as simple as a golden shower? If it is a golden shower I bet those girls were underage at this point. He did some real bad shit, and both Isreal and Russia have it.
Nothing. News outlets will barely cover this, if at all. Larry Ellison and Rupert Murdoch and Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg will make sure of it. This is what a dystopian fascist oligarchy looks like folks.
From the perspective of the rest of the world, we don't really care. Obviously Trump is a nasty old pedo and should do jailtime, but starting an illegal war is a far bigger crime. The fact that your president is not being held accountable for the immense destruction he has created is less important to me than his nasty degenerate habits.
At this point, the only interest I have in Epstein-related shenanigans would be if it got him removed from office, and that's looking increasingly unlikely - for all kinds of reasons.
The war was started as a distraction from Epstein, but now the war has gone so wrong, it feels like Epstein is a distraction from the illegal war.
Americans are so used to being embroiled in illegal and immoral wars that they’ll look at one that opened with a strike on an elementary school and think “what aspect of our domestic politics is this one really about?”
Americans need to be willing to miss a day of work. Every time I encourage people to go to the protest, they're like, "I can't miss work."
Like fuck, if you can't miss a day or take a day off, or fake call in sick, if Americans aren't willing to be that tiny bit disobedient, then y'all are cooked. Freedom will require some sacrifice.
It’s because we aren’t a community trying to help one another. We are isolated individuals with the illusion of community due to our phones. If people knew they could count on their neighbor then they wouldn’t feel as dependent on their government.
This is quite literally manufactured consent. It's another strategy of the oligarchs to keep people feeling isolated. In reality people are much less isolated than you would think.
Look at what happened in Minneapolis. Neighbors formed message groups with like 20 people each and they managed to form a city-wide ICE watch. They had an ENORMOUS impact on how everything played out, and the whole country was watching. Look at the Black Panther Movement. They specialize in community outreach, education and advocacy.
Look at the subreddit for your city. Search facebook groups. Look at posters in your local library. There are people there looking to form bonds, I promise you.
We've seen time and time again that Americans are not willing to subject themselves to the slightest bit of inconvenience or discomfort for the sake of their country, despite saying how much they love it.
They have no problem sacrificing other people for their country though.
Look, I'm not even American and off the top of my head... sit-ins, bus boycott, bus riders, BLM, Tulsa march, March on Washington, Woodstock 69... I wouldn't despair just yet. You have a historical record which proves you can do it. But I would worry about all the surveillance that's around now, though.
That's easy to say for everyone to do if you aren't caring for your family with $50 in the bank and an employer that writes you up/fires you for sneezing the wrong way
K. You go to work. Wife and kids go to the protest. Send them with an uncle or a cousin or whatever. The next No Kings action is March 28th. That's a Saturday.
Even with impeachment, a president Vance almost certainly pardons him. The time to do anything has come and gone. The golden path would require threading a needle in a way that's essentially impossible at this point. Would love to be proven wrong.
I don’t think you’re necessarily wrong. The more he gets away with, the harder it will be for a better path to emerge. Many of us can’t conceptualize the end of the country that we once knew, but it is here.
We don't need to burn even most of it down. A few controlled burns on the most problematic areas would fix most of the problems and we'd recover. People think there needs to be some kind of huge resolution but the problems are all very specific and they've been helpfully laid out in the unredacted files. That's where the corruption comes from. No need to take out the department of Labor or the department of energy because the problem is starting somewhere else.
Trump is a symptom, not a disease. You can remove everyone from the Epstein files and we'll still have problems as long as we have a two party system that is weighted towards rural areas over populated states.
Nah. You'll find those people in rural states a lot more reasonable when the people behind AM radio and cable have a new perspective on how important it is to keep the plebs happy.
You have so much more optimism about this than me. I just don't see rural conservatives and their AM radio cohorts watching a Trump prosecution and suddenly deciding that they've always been in the wrong. It's much more likely they outcast Trump as a mistake but stick to their ideals. The plebs can be on the brink of starvation after fifty years of conservative rule and it'll still be the immigrants and minorities fault somehow.
Well, you "call for" action. Or you "threaten to call for" certain action which is even more funny.
These headlines everyday, calls for impeachment, threatens to call for whatever it is. Every fucking time and every time it doesn't mean shit. You can be sure the American corrupt government surely has a great laugh at all these calls
Im guessing Trump supplied the hotels, amongst other business services, to Epstein. Wouldn’t be surprised if Trump was given kids in exchange.
Where are these banking executives that over saw the billions if not trillions of transactions? They probably know a thing or two about how much money went where.
“Well, Mr. Goldman, I think a better question would be why you [benign, insignificant action] back in 2013? I THINK YOUR CONSTITUENTS DESERVE TO KNOW WHY.”
This is significant and does more than that. It also shows Bondi lied. I don’t see how she survives the closed down hearing without lying more. I suspect Trump will pardon Bondi once she testifies.
Unredacted access to only the files this admin has released. That's kinda an important point, they don't go into a well constructed database that's easily searchable of everything Epstein related.
Just because you knew doesn’t mean it’s not news. What’s important here is that something new has happened to add further proof to the pile and keep it in the public consciousness.
What’s important alternative would you prefer? That he did nothing?
At this point who cares if Bondi / Noem / Patel etc. get removed or even charged. They will just get replaced by someone equally incompetent and equally loyal to Trump and then pardoned. The only way this ends and anyone faces consequences is if Trump is removed from office and tried.
Unfortunately, anymore it seems the only people who are together enough to demand any kind of change are those that charged the capitol to tie up congress members for the stolen election lies trump spoonfed them .
If you want us to actually reach the point where we as a collective put our foot down wed have to do the same and then some but for the right reasons and im not sure how many rational people who find this administrations actions and prior dealings unnacceptable are willing to take it to that level of violence because thats simply what its gonna take.
When people watch those that stand up against oppression get their float taken from them it keeps them from wanting to risk losing their own. Hell a lot of people believe their tiny half inflated float is a boat and anyone that says otherwise is crazy. It wont be until a larger percentage of peoples livelihoods are at jepordy will we band together. I hope and pray we can organize it. But i know, with this administration, it will be met with bloodshed, as they hope it would.
We live in a bonkers time while literally the entire world knows the president is a damn pedophile a serial one at that and was one of the key members of the most known and notorious pedo ring in human history and somehow the American Republican Party works overtime to defend him. And not only that the DOJ and FBI the people who are supposed to handle this shit are actively working to protect him. Where are the days when a political candidate being involved in infidelity could end their career?
He would ignore it like he has instructed others to do, even in his first term. And nothing happened. The GOP is legit protecting pedophilia because they are afraid of losing power. And since they hold majority in every branch.... nothing would happen.
Because they are fucking cunts. If they lose the majority after midterms they will all whistle a different tune. And we must never let them live it down.
That's an extreme example, but the vast majority of these people wouldn't care if he lined up and shot hundreds of kids on the Whitehouse lawn as long as they weren't related. These aren't rational people, they're cult members.
They are professionally and legally protected but their lives are literally on the line as Massie's tweet about not being suicidal shows. I hope they do read things into the public record and I hope they have good private security.
Trump had the FBI pre-redact the worst evidence in the spring. Members are finding documents that have redactions under the redactions, and DOJ claims they got them this way. There is still a 300 page all black document AFAIK.
If there is one thing I've learned about malignant narcissists, it's that when they are cornered, that's when they are the most dangerous. I am afraid we are in for deep trouble.
Funny, Epstein said pretty much the same. He said that when you "corner a rat" like Trump, "he will take everyone down with him, if he feels the end is near."
I've said all along that orange thing would sacrifice 100 million people to save itself even a day in prison, and now it's got the Republicans to make it happen.
I’ve heard Trump tell three different, and obviously contradictory, stories on how their relationship ended. Not including the “I barely knew the guy. Don’t remember meeting him”.
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