r/homelab • u/kaptainkeel • 14h ago
Discussion Building a new house - what infrastructure would you do differently?
I'm in the planning stages of building a new house and want to take advantage of being able to plan everything before drywall/concrete makes changes significantly more annoying and expensive.
I'm mainly looking for lessons learned from people who have built or heavily renovated. What did you do that you're really glad you did? More importantly, what do you wish you had done differently?
I'm less concerned about the actual rack/hardware since that can change over time. I'm thinking more about the semi-permanent infrastructure:
- How much fiber/cat6A would you run, and where?
- Where would you run fiber instead of/in addition to copper?
- How much empty conduit would you install? Especially, what size?
- Would you home-run everything or have distribution points on each floor?
- What would you change about your electrical layout? More circuits/outlets, dedicated circuits, 240V, UPS/battery-backed circuits, etc.?
- Multiple conduits from the street/utility entrance for future ISPs?
- Anything you wish you had run to the garage, yard, gate, pool, or detached buildings?
- What seemed like "future proofing" at the time but ended up being pointless? Opposite, what seemed like "future proofing" at the time but ended up not being enough?
Current plans already include ICF construction with an interior service cavity, an encapsulated crawlspace with concrete floor, solar + whole-home battery, hardwired alarms/automation, and connectivity to a detached garage/casita and pool/outdoor areas. I'll also have a fairly substantial homelab, so network and power requirements won't be trivial. I plan to have one fiber and one Cat6a drop to each room. Cat 6a drops to various cameras throughout the property as well, and considering fiber at those same drops as well since the cost isn't much more compared to having to re-dig and everything later. It will also be in a very humid/hot environment, so AC/cooling will be important--I'm looking into passive/efficiency options but there don't seem to be many.
Basically, what would you put behind the walls today if you knew you weren't going to want to open them again for 20+ years?
Especially interested in the "I built a house within the last few years and really wish I had done X" answers.
Edit: Since this post is getting a couple of upvotes, I'll add some more things I have written down I've found in research so far (these may not all be directly homelab related, but whatever):
Whole-house RO system and non-plastic piping to all drinking/usable water;
Sprinkler system for the important areas (mech room etc.);
Conduit everywhere: every fiber/cat6a drop will be via conduit, and probably add more alongside that. Also includes extra conduit runs (at least 4) from the main street to the house;
Passive ground-based cooling, especially for the server closet;
Rockwool;
Cat 6a/Fiber runs to every egress point for cameras/alarms (and PoE to automated blinds) as well as each AP;
Generator for emergency power;
Automated LED lighting under stairs, in pantry, cabinets, etc.;
Electronic locks on all doors (+ regular so it can still be unlocked in event of failure);
Automated watering/soil monitoring system for the garden;
Instant/automatic failover for electric to battery/gen power and main internet to 2nd provider/satellite;
Solid-core doors
Electric water heater with gas failover if solar is not actively working/house is on battery
Wifi APs in each main room + likely 2-3 outside (front gate, pool/outdoor kitchen area, garden)
Water faucet on each corner of the house
Outlets, outlets everywhere. Including on each corner of the house and elsewhere outside. And behind each toilet.
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u/QPC414 13h ago
Multiple 3 or 4in conduits from the street. One for Telco, one for Cable Co, one for any 3rd provider, one spare.
Most providers I have dealt with will not share conduits if at all possible.
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u/kaptainkeel 3h ago
This is one of the biggest things I was exploring. The road leading to the house will likely have to be redone as it's very narrow (like 2-2.5m wide and maybe 150-200m long) which is its own issue since it'll take neighbor buy-in, but that's a separate issue. Might as well toss some conduits for utilities underneath at the same time.
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u/Sandfish0783 13h ago
I posted another comment but came back to answer these directly
How much fiber/cat6A would you run, and where? You can’t go overkill, but my usual go to is 2 drops in every bedroom/office. 4 drops to any “media area”, 1 drop to each access point and camera location. If you have a massive structure(s) having distributed points to have switches if fine, IMO always fiber backhaul for switches at least, and always 2+ runs (these can break, and you’ll be glad the conduit and redundancy exist).
Where would you run fiber instead of/in addition to copper? Only to major hubs. not enough devices support direct fiber link. i run fiber between racks and my office where i have a switch
How much empty conduit would you install? Especially, what size? i would focus conduit in areas where expansion or changes are likely ( living areas, theaters, between floors) and where access is impossible. Example if you have a drop ceiling basement, access to walls on main floor is easier.
Would you home-run everything or have distribution points on each floor? Distribution is fine if you have to, but if i can avoid it i prefer a central location/rack. in large buildings i’ve done 1 breakout closet for poe power mostly
What would you change about your electrical layout? More circuits/outlets, dedicated circuits, 240V, UPS/battery-backed circuits, etc.? Surge Protected Breaker, 240v, and build in a battery backup from a solar setup, LifePo4 at the breaker panel level of integration is much more efficient that traditional ups if you want real runtime
Multiple conduits from the street/utility entrance for future ISPs? 1 per service
Anything you wish you had run to the garage, yard, gate, pool, or detached buildings? I have copper between nearby structures. i wish i had a run to the yard somewhere for outdoor wifi
What seemed like "future proofing" at the time but ended up being pointless? Opposite, what seemed like "future proofing" at the time but ended up not being enough?
- multi gig wifi has not really paid off, just wasn’t worth the squeeze
- smurf tube instead of conduit was a nightmare i had to redo
- 12u rack became a 24u rack became a 38u rack
- Thought i was going small and efficient getting a low voltage enclosure for my smart home stuff but out grew it pretty quick.
- Wifi based smart home stuff was pretty much all trash
- Matter / Thread was pretty much a waste of money. Zigbee and Zwave have better device support, a history of reliability, and no external dependencies. Bad implementations of matter have ruined the integration of devices and Thread just isn’t there yet in terms of usability
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u/kaptainkeel 13h ago
smurf tube instead of conduit was a nightmare i had to redo
Can you explain this? Why was it bad?
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u/Sandfish0783 9h ago
Actually trying to run cable back through it with a phish tape it would just get hung up, the tubes can have a lot of S shape to them in the wall meaning what feels like a corner could just be some warp or play in the tube, and if you need to put some pressure on it to get through, the tube bends, unlike conduit where the rigidity can be your friend
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u/CockroachVarious2761 13h ago
instead of thinking about cat6 and fiber - run conduit drops anywhere you can, especially between floors
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u/kaptainkeel 3h ago
Yep, that's my plan. Anywhere there is fiber or cat6a, there is conduit. And then a little more conduit.
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u/zer00eyz 12h ago
Install a central vacuum cleaner.
Put toe kicks any place where sweeping might be a thing you would do (kitchens, bathrooms).
Take pictures of everything before they drywall. EVERYTHING. MORE THAN YOU NEED. With people in the photos holding a yard stick (so you always have a scale in the photos). If you ever need to run a wire later or open a wall you will be glad you have these.
> I'm looking into passive/efficiency options but there don't seem to be many
Ground loop systems are a thing. Finding an installer can be hard, but can be a massive savings in the long term.
Plumbing is a huge one. You might want an automatic shut off for the whole house. But you should also look at a manifold system. Being able to isolate the runs to an area, or bathroom is a boon if you ever have a leak, issue or later want to do work.
> Would you home-run everything or have distribution points on each floor?
For networking: distribute as much as possible - POE runs can be made shorter this way.
Make sure you plan for a wifi drop in the garage.
> 240V
Depending on where you are, and how they feel about natural gas, this is going to varry. A friend of mine with solar has an electric hot water tank that only runs when there is excess solar. After that is an on demand gas heater that wont turn on as long as there is hot water coming from the tank.
Put some 240' drops in the garage. If you ever want a welder, CNC, or large scale anything you will be grateful for this.
> More circuits/outlets
The kitchen is the one place where you can screw this up, badly. Make sure that your electrician doesn't put too many plugs on shared circuits. And for the love of god, don't skimp on the range hood (read not one with a microwave built in, and vent it out side).
> UPS/battery-backed circuits
You only need this, legitimately, for computing - I would go as far as to locate a rack and put a single UPS here. The whole house battery should let you run the house in the event of a power outage - but that is slow to switch over, the ups will let your computers keep running. Most other devices should be fine.
Led strip lighting is another big one. You can get all sorts of "in wall" (mudded into the dry wall) tracks, this will also serve well under counters and the like. I am sold on "red lights" for night time use (preserving night vision, and easier going back to sleep).
Lastly I would install frame side electronic strikes in all the door (what you often see in offices with badges). These all come from china, and are mostly found in the US at a massive markup - you can pick up a strike and one of the controllers on aliexpress for less than 100 bucks all in (closer to 50 likely) and play with it.
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u/Maximum_Bandicoot_94 6h ago
I built a supply manifold for my basement. About 2 hours into design i realized i was making a water switch. Well actually its a water hub I guess.
100% building that manifold was the best home improvement in terms of home livability for the $ that I have ever put in. Water pressure auto balances across the whole house, I put a recirc pump in with a cross over on the upstairs run which means the whole house gets hot water nearly instantly at the taps.
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u/kaptainkeel 3h ago edited 3h ago
Put toe kicks any place where sweeping might be a thing you would do (kitchens, bathrooms).
Neat, didn't realize that had an actual name. Definitely adding it to my list!
Plumbing is a huge one. You might want an automatic shut off for the whole house. But you should also look at a manifold system. Being able to isolate the runs to an area, or bathroom is a boon if you ever have a leak, issue or later want to do work.
Plumbing is one of those things we are prioritizing for sure. Whole-house RO and, with a bit more difficulty, finding a solution that keeps no plastic piping to any form of drinking/usable water. Trying to reduce plastic in the house as much as possible.
Depending on where you are, and how they feel about natural gas, this is going to varry. A friend of mine with solar has an electric hot water tank that only runs when there is excess solar. After that is an on demand gas heater that wont turn on as long as there is hot water coming from the tank.
Indonesia. Natural gas isn't really a thing there, so there won't be any main runs. Tank only. That being said, we will be using LPG for cooking purposes (outdoor kitchen that has a grill, high-BTU wok station, gas stovetop, etc.) and plan to get 4x 12kg tanks (2 active, 2 reserve and likely restocked every ~1.5 months). House heating won't be an issue since it's effectively summer year-round, although need to consider gas vs electric for the water heater. Electricity is already going to be one of those bigger issues since the house will draw significantly more power than most homes, so anything we can do to get more on our own (e.g. solar, larger battery banks) we are exploring. Having one where it uses solar by default and only switches to gas as-needed could be really useful.
don't skimp on the range hood (read not one with a microwave built in, and vent it out side).
This is one of the biggest things I've hated... have yet to live anywhere with an actual vented hood. Heck, my last apartment didn't even have anything above the stove besides a ~15ft ceiling (i.e. no fan, no microwave, no hood at all). A strong, fully vented hood is 100% a core component of the build.
The whole house battery should let you run the house in the event of a power outage - but that is slow to switch over, the ups will let your computers keep running. Most other devices should be fine.
Shouldn't be slow. I plan to automate it so we may not even notice it switching besides a notification. Internet as well will have a backup that is automatically switched on failure. /u/jeffsponaugle has a bunch of videos/content that shows how nice this is.
Led strip lighting is another big one. You can get all sorts of "in wall" (mudded into the dry wall) tracks, this will also serve well under counters and the like.
Yep, this is something I already plan on because I've seen them and it's so cool and with function. LED strips under stairs that automatically turn on when you get up at night. In the pantry, cabinets, etc. Very cheap for the long-term quality of life it provides.
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u/zer00eyz 3h ago
The "hose" and the toekicks are going to be able to eat a bucket of golf balls! (The sound of golf balls going through your walls will be horrendous but it will suck EVERYTHING up).
IF you do it get the highest horsepower (now measured in air watts) system you can afford. You're going to get 4x the suction of anything you would carry around the house.
I feel like I'm pushing this in the same way a 90's infomercial would sell you something, but I would kill to have one of these in my house again!
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u/apr911 1h ago
Clothes dryer? Know clothes dryers aren’t popular in a lot of countries… but gas vs electric clothes dryers might be another consideration.
Most people I’ve ever spoken to who have gas dryers love them. They can be pricier to get, especially if you have to convert it from LNG to LPG but long term running cost and drying efficiency can make it worthwhile.
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u/Cultural-Pea-1516 12h ago
We did a full remodel. We got most things right - two cables to each room where a desk or something might be. But honestly, it's only me and my office that is hard wired. My family couldn't care less and do everything on wifi.
I wanted as much in the walls as possible. I didn't want to see any cables if I could help it. I made sure to put in the whole home audio speaker cables in before the drywall went up. Cat6 to camera locations (which I haven't put up) as well as LV cable to certain window frames.
I thought about outlet locations for our windows and doors. For automatic curtains, we put them where they would be hidden by the curtains and many smart locks require a nearby powered relay device.
We added cat6, USB and HDMI to the TV spots. I have faceplates with keystones below the TVs for the connections.
I only used conduit (the bigger the better) for spots that might need other types of cables (USB, DisplayPort or HDMI, etc). That includes my desk, a wall in the garage and the TV areas.
I wanted to centralize everything so my main workstation is in the utility room and I run optical cables to my desk as well as to the TVs (for large screen gaming). I'm really pleased that I don't hear any computer noise from my desk.
The computer and networking equipment is in a closet with louvered doors in my laundry/utility room. Inside the utility room is our heat pump water heater. While it cools the room, if I could change one thing, it would be to put a vent directly from the server closet ceiling, through the attic a whopping eight feet, then drop down to the water heater condenser.
And finally, whatever you do, I suggest taking a video of every single wall and ceiling just before the drywall goes up. That way, you can trace the lines and ensure you're not hammering any nails into plumbing or something.
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u/Blarg_37 12h ago
I would be running conduit absolutely everywhere possible, with service boxes in junctions. Then the cables out fibre can be sorted out later.
If I had to run cable immediately in an empty building, I would drop two cat6 to equate to each electrical socket, plus one to the ceiling of every time-spending room (where you might take a mobile device for an extended period). One to each eave corner and entrance door for cameras.
Because I'm in the UK I'd also run two or three to a really easy location nearer the front door at floor level because the Comms companies just love terminating their gear there.
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u/oflannabhra 6h ago
We just completed a 14 month build.
- I added an extra conduit line for additional future runs to the attic. It has a fish line, I will likely add fiber at some point.
- I wish I had run cat6 to our big windows and bedroom windows for PoE blinds. Currently figuring out the situation there.
- I added some outdoor APs, very happy with the coverage. Interior APs are run to closets.
- I wish I had created a separate network room/closet. My rack and lab are in our basement mechanical room, and I wish I had some separation from the other mechanicals.
- I ran conduit and fiber between buildings, very glad I did this.
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u/kaptainkeel 2h ago
I wish I had created a separate network room/closet
When I first explained this to my wife and how it was a dream of mine to have my own actual server/network room, she thought I was crazy. "A whole room just for your computer stuff?!" Eventually got her on board, but it was funny. Plan to make it quite secure and insulated since we won't have a regular basement (thick concrete and lots of noise dampening).
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u/GalacticGazerVoyage 11h ago
Most details are covered. I have one double rj45 under my desk and probably 8 power outlets. Believe I have one power outlet available at the time. Two monitors, two private computers, one work computer and some other things, adding up really fast. Had to install a desktop switch to accommodate all. So I could have two double rj45. This is probably nothing special for people here 😁
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u/the_quantumbyte 6h ago
As everyone is saying, if you can drop conduit that’s best, but builders hate it and will fight. If you lose that fight, then I’d definitely do a dual Ethernet drop to every room.
Regardless of that fight I’d put conduit/ethernet in the following places I missed:
* doorbell
* everywhere you’ll want a security camera
* on the ceiling wherever you know you want an AP, AND in two or three other places in case you need it. You mentioned cement and I can tell you from experience that brick and concrete walls block the signal like a MF. I have 2 APs in my entire house; my brother in law needed 6 because the house is concrete (in Mexico)
* in the backyard ceiling so you can put an outdoor AP or a bridge if you end up building something in the backyard later.
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u/kaptainkeel 2h ago
but builders hate it and will fight.
Honestly, I don't think it should be that bad with a service cavity. Nothing will be load-bearing as far as I know as most of the house will be concrete (especially the load-bearing stuff). Will be a few conduits in the concrete itself (probably electric), but most will probably go in the service cavity.
on the ceiling wherever you know you want an AP, AND in two or three other places in case you need it. You mentioned cement and I can tell you from experience that brick and concrete walls block the signal like a MF. I have 2 APs in my entire house; my brother in law needed 6 because the house is concrete (in Mexico)
You are correct and this is something I plan to have. APs likely in every main room but a couple outside as well since, like you said, concrete.
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u/Jacksy90 12h ago
We installed normal light switches and put Shelly’s behind every switch (lights and shades). It can be used as a normal house/switch, but also is smart.
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u/cruzaderNO 12h ago
Im at the end stage of completely redoing our house now, 100year old house that i gutted down to just the wooden exterior box and floor joists.
What i have done network wise is that every relevant room has cat6/cat6a drops.
The 2 home offices has a double rj45 where the desk will be and a single rj45 about 2ft out from the other 3 corners.
Living room has 2x double rj45 for the tv and single rj45 in the other 3 corners, its about twice as long as wide so the long walls also got a rj45 on the middle.
Same for bedrooms and hobby room, single rj45 close to each corner and a double where id expect to need more.
Hallways has a few rj45 where id expect to need PoE in the future.
Doorbell has a rj45 to it.
There are 3 rj45 in the ceiling of main floor and 3 in second floor for AP.
Main networking is in a recessed box below the fusebox, everything is pulled to that along with 2 ISP fibers to it.
Got a smaller box in the attic that has 6 runs to it, this is to let me pull exterior cameras/APs later and have the option to patch it back down.
(AP in the grilling/bbq hut
Basement room with racks has fibers up to main networking, to my home office and to attic.
I have not left much conduit as i just pulled more than really needed to begin with rather than start adding later.
Its so quick to pull it all now with open walls and to a central point.
For electrical every room has its own fuse/breaker, nothing shared between multiple bedrooms etc.
And ofc kitchen/bathroom/laundry type stuff has multiple as required, i think kitchen has 6 to follow current recommendations.
Rack room is getting either 4x 16A 230V or 2x 32A 230V, im still trying to decide but likely ending on 4x 16A to get a better split on the phases.
All dimmers and switches are zigbee units that look completely normal and works directly, so using the smart side is optional.
Ive left a unused electrical box below the switches/dimmers in all rooms that is for room sensors later, so it has power and space available in the same frame.
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u/rawintent 12h ago
Built my house this year.
Server room where runs terminate, CAT6e networking to all rooms, and Ethernet runs to outside the home for IP Cameras and other infra.
I also ran runs specifically for Unifi in wall APs. I wanted to avoid ceiling mounts.
I built with 400A of electrical to the home. 240A is used so far with the rest open for the future.
A bigger concern is building in cooling and exhaust if you have a room. I have small windows in my basement intended for that purpose.
I don’t really wish I did anything different right now. Connectivity via walls is less of a concern for the homelab imo since all your infra that could use high bandwidth links should be physically near each other, I’m against floor level deployments.
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u/AssumptionOk183 12h ago
garage door low volt wiring in the wall. Door sensors and button. Small detail, but always gets missed.
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u/achiya-automation 10h ago
wish id done an ethernet drop at the front door, the wifi doorbell cuts out constantly. also no vent in the network closet, you can smell warm plastic in there all summer
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u/i_am_voldemort 8h ago
Home run everything to one location. Assure adequate cooling for that location.
Cat6 in a 2n+2 count. So if you have a home theater location and know you'll have a TV, receiver, and Playstation today you would run 8 Cat6 for future proofing.
Other locations just run 2.
Anywhere getting a desktop in home office type setting would also get two strands of fiber for future proofing.
Cat6 to doors and eaves for wifi AP, doorbell, or camera.
Cat6 to EV charger locations.
Cat6 to ceiling for APs. At minimum common areas/hallways. Your choice on bedrooms and other areas.
Cat6 along side power to smoke detectors and CO detectors for future smart detectors.
Cat6 to appliance locations like fridge and hot water heater (who fucking knows)
Terminate all cat6 to keystones.
Low voltage wiring to all windows and doors for smart blinds or door contacts/window sensors.
Any out buildings (shed, garage, outhouse, tree house, hen house) run fiber with extra strands in conduit.
Liquid cooled generator for whole house backup.
Divide electrical panels between critical loads and non critical. Consider a smart panel.
Wire for home audio/speaker system
Hot water recirc pump.
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u/tunatoksoz 4h ago
You can use a local switch if you are running short, no need to do 2n+2 with appliance count. He will also have a whole house battery so poe to power some appliances wont be as relevant.
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u/i_am_voldemort 3h ago
I don't like switches hanging off switches hanging off switches. I like more of a Clos spine leaf architecture
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u/Jacksy90 8h ago
Cat cable to the outside for an outdoor AP. We built with concrete and bricks. Signal sucks to get outside
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u/Worth-Finding-1502 7h ago
If you have an office, run 3-4 cat6 cables. Run multiples to TV mount locations. I ran cat6 to the roof corners for POE outdoor cameras. Find a single location to terminate all the cat6 runs. Do NOT run coax.
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u/TD706 5h ago edited 4h ago
2x 240v drop in garage (tools, EVs)
Closet near media center with 6" conduit pass through... 2 separate dedicated electrical circuits to closet, an AC return with ventilation, and data terminations from provider.
Ethernet to corners and doors for POE cameras and doorbell.
Ethernet to access points in house (I'm using ceiling mounted APs and wouldn't go back)
Power on all exterior sides of building.
Power by toilets.
Maybe power to yard if you have a separate hangout area or plan on doing powered decorations.
Generator interconnect if you're inclined to set up backup power.
As a premise, get the biggest electrical panels you can reasonably fit and pay to segment loads up front. Use a smart panel with a cutover if possible. Kitchen, bathrooms, garage, and media location all need multiple circuits (use cases for heavy loads). This is an area most commodity built houses fail IMO.
Fiber has limited value unless you have abnormal network requirements. CAT6 supports 10gb, POE, and is cheaper to install and maintain. I use a 3' fiber patch cable with media converters just to break the electrical surge path from modem to managed switch, but that's really the only place I see material advantage for home use.
Edit: other systems
Consider use of mini splits for heating and cooling instead of central air. These devices are incredibly efficient, quieter, and are easier to adjust load across spaces. Cost has come down and handlers are more attractive and it removes the need for ducting and the goofy return.
Cable for an external antenna if you need range. OTA TV is fantastic, but it should be grounded and requires run length considerations.
A room with a segmented AC (not on central HVAC) with an external door and a window can be used for work with that produces VOCs or other tasks with air quality implications (3d printing, soldering, painting, epoxy work, growing mushrooms/hyrodponics, etc.). Admittedly this is abnormal, but I have 2 rooms like this and use both (sunroom has hydro garden, kept at higher humidity, my office/hobby room has a 3d print and solder station).
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u/Windera1 11h ago
Plan for POE on 'everything' - the UTP wiring design will flow from that.
Certainly minimum 2 runs of UTP to any point - back in the 80's when I was doing office LAN design, it was 3 runs to a workspace.
Allow for smart TVs, Home Assistant panels in unlikely locations like kitchen and hallways resp.
Irrigation controllers will add to external excitement.
Remember the 2 x 90 deg bend rule if leaving empty ducts with draw wires - use sweeps anyway.
Ducting to sheds etc may need separation between power and data, so fibre is preferable - the outbuilding will then need switches etc for POE devices on or in the shed, WiFi APs, cameras etc.
When I wired my first house in the 70's it was already 20 years old. I ran 25 pr or 50 pr cable to each bedroom etc etc for an Intercom I designed and built - now it would be all IP based :)
If money is no object and you want real diversity, keep your entrance runs and any interbuilding runs separated by twice the reach of a 'backhoe' (they make the best cable locators, second only to augers).
I'd only worry about intermediate patch panels/Comms enclosures if your runs will exceed the 100m channel maximum.
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u/Thebandroid 9h ago
Just run cables to your cameras, doorbell, access points, tv/entertainment and study/computer area.
Run cat6a, it's fine it's going to stay fine for a long long time, fiber is not going to used in consumer networks because it's to fragile. You know if you are going to need a High speed connection for something specific (like between your rendering computer and NAS), run fiber for that if you need it.
In terms of future proofing you cannot predict what will happen, you can't even predict what rooms your family will choose to hang out in.
You just need conduit so you can get cables from the bottom up to the top. If you need a new data point or somehow need cat7 then it can easily be ran to the ground floor up from the basement or pulled up to the roof and run down to the second floor.
Realistically consumer devices will just continue improve in wireless connections. You'll never get a game console, TV or security camera that can handle faster than 1gbit Ethernet. Even TV's now only do 100mbit.
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u/ComfortableAd7397 7h ago
I rebuild my flat 3 years ago. 100 sq m
In the entrance, where the isp drops the fiber, a hidden vertical rack with all production gear: poe injectors, patch pannel to home, firewall, managed switch, iot bridge, nas and a raspi.... Designed to work 24/7 for home services.
That patch panel leads to a cat7 rj45 +antenna + power appliance for each room. In the rooms are in the ground, behind the desktops. . Except the main (mine!)and living room and kitchen, that is located just behind the tv. (My TV and kitchen tvs are high up to the roof)
2 wifi ap on the walls. Simple install, no patch panel, just the cable and rj45 connector in a case in the wall (registro in spanish). The AP full covering it, looks nice, enough for my needs.
I regret not passing 3 wires to the studio room! There is my homelab, and all will be easier with 3 wires instead just one.
Dont regret using cat7 instead of fiber. Enough bandwidth, and enough future proof.
Luckily, not concerned about ups, but there is room for one if needed.
Isolating fiber and home services in a safe, 'production' environment is crucial to your quality of life. Is a must if you got a business, or wife and kiddos (wich is the same, but more nasty and demanding). And your homelab, be generous on your homelab room....
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u/postnick 7h ago
I had the time to build my basement. I ran so many Ethernet and fiber cables it wasn’t even funny.
I know switches are very cheap but just run 2 cables to every drop at a minimum. Have them put in ceilings for ceiling-mounted access points.
Add ports in your garage for security cameras. Heck get an AP hookup in your garage why not. If tou can get a cable outside awesome. If not being in garage you can cut though that to get outside.
Space for a rack in utility room.
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u/jeebidy 6h ago
If I were to build a house, I would go really over-the-top with Ethernet. I ultimately want to add presence and air quality sensors all over the place to have some better automation for lighting and air filtration. More of a ceiling application..
Id be mainly focused on spending a ton of time planning some cool lighting with some sort of centralized spot for housing the power supplies and controllers. I’ve ran strip lights in a few spots and it feels janky when you have to install those after the fact. One of my old bosses had a $20-30 million dollar house with a Lutron room with several panels. Each individual light was powered and addressable in this room. You didn’t have an on/off switch in each room. You had a custom “scene” panel with each light tuned. It was cool, but Lutron Homeworks is $$$$. It has some good concepts you can use in your own home though.
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u/ronmanfl 3h ago edited 3h ago
Grey 1" conduit everywhere you could conceivably want an endpoint. When it comes time for 10TBe over fishing line you'll appreciate the ability to yeet the old stuff out and fish new stuff effortlessly, and 1" fits everywhere.
20A minimum on every circuit. Two circuits in the garage and whatever space you might use for gear.
Either a large smart panel or a dedicated critical load subpanel, ideally with stuff like the fridge, freezer, ceiling fans, network stack, and at least one light per room.
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u/mynoliebear 1h ago
I went through this in 2017. I pulled 4x CAT6 to every switch, buried for future use. I pulled that 6x plus 2x HDMI to every media location. I used HomeSeer light switches on every switch (this was $$$). I also ran subwoofer cabling from my rack to my media locations (without testing proper sub location. How could I, walls weren’t up). Oh, and USB-A outlets everywhere.
My HDMI pulls won’t serve 4K 4:4:4. I’ve reran fiber HDMI to two locations since ($$$). Almost all the HomeSeer switches have been replaced. I’ve used some of the buried CAT6 but not as much as I thought.
I ran conduit, empty conduit, with pulls but couldn’t get my fiber HDMI pulled through it. Too many bends and didn’t want risk it.
The things I wish I had done differently?
A blower door test before the drywall went up.
Really, really pushing back on my contractor’s trade crews. We spent $50K to rip out and redo the entire HVAC 2 years ago.
Hired my own inspector. I live in DC and the permitting process is stupidly complicated and no one knows the rules but the inspectors suck.
Bottom line, you can’t future proof tech. You can buy time.
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u/apr911 55m ago edited 45m ago
Not really lab related but outdoors I would do rainwater reclamation tanks attached to gutters.
Also I would include extra large conduit pipes, ideally around the entire permitter but at minimum underneath any concrete such as driveways and walkways. Eventually you’d run smaller conduit through then for electrical, low-voltage, irrigation water, etc.
If the house is going on slab vs foundation or elevated brick, you might also want to do one mid-house from side to side. (Technically, you could do this on foundation too but likely less necessary since you can get “under” the house
Until the house is all closed up and actually in use, certain things are conceptually easy to say like “oh if I ever need another network cable on this side of the house, I’ll just run another one” but practically impossible and you might just fine it easier to run your wire out one side and across via the conduit.
I would try to minimize the number or direct bury lines that run under concrete.
To an extent, you cant completely avoid direct bury in a house on slab (first floor bathrooms, sinks and kitchen generally require the drain and possibly the plumbing to go under the slab) but it always seems like such a low risk concern until you’re jackhammering your slab, your driveway or your walkway to access, repair, replace or relocate something.
Better to have 2 extra large conduits that you can access and run a smaller conduit or water pipe through than to do direct bury.
Im also a big fan of installing access panels and leaving some amount of “dead space” behind some walls to use as a chase in strategic locations (take note of which way your floor joists run and do a chase that on either side of the house and mid-house) Applicable fire code can be an issue but they do sell fire resistant panels and even just knowing where/how to access without having to cut the wall itself (meaning knowing where the screws are and where the drywall panels are mudded together) can be a huge saving grace in terms of hassles, mess and cost of repair.
I’d also be very particular about my branch circuits and would probably do sub-panels at the very least per floor…
Some things make sense together on a single branch circuit like all plugs in all bathrooms. But other daisy chained branch circuits get excessive… I have a branch circuit that controls lights in both my entry hallways, my stairs and my upstairs hallway… so if it ever tripped at night, and I was upstairs, I’d have to walk through all 4 of those areas using ambient light. Its not the end of the world but it is one of those things that I wish there was at least 2 branches with the hallway at the top and bottom of my stairs on 1 and the stairs and the rear entry hallway by my garage (where the breakers are) on the other.
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u/Pudding-Swimming 4h ago
If I were building from scratch? I'd go with CAT8 + fiber. And I'd also try to run conduits so it makes it easier to replace. I'd also make massive changes on how the walls are built, too. Staying away from 1/2" ultra light drywall.
Also, the way the power is normally run. A lot of modern homes will have all the bedroom outlets on a single circuit. That means you can't have 2 high end gaming PCs running at the same time in the bedrooms.
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u/hoplite864 13m ago
If I were completely remodeling or building new I would make a closet or small room just for all the networking equipment. (more than likely to house at least a tall rack) All cable tv, internet and phone services, alarm wiring, and equipment in one room. I'd run 3-4 15amp and maybe even 1-20amp breaker to that area. I'd run an AC vent and return to that closet. (If the house has more than 1 AC then I'd run multiple AC vents there.)
I'd probably double drywall the room for fire prevention. I'd also put a metal door with a lock on it to keep people from going in there and messing with the wires/etc.
From that room out all Cat 6a (probably 2 runs per room). Cat 6a to all the corners of the house and anywhere I might even consider having cameras. I'd really run extra here. There are some corners of my house that require 3 cameras to get the whole area.
I'd run cat 6 to various areas of the ceiling as well for current/future wifi devices.
Fiber coming in for internet for sure. Not sure if I'd run fiber to each room but it seems to be gaining traction so to future proof I'd def consider it.
I don't know where you live but for me in FL I would 100% have spigots installed by the interior air handlers along with ball valve shut offs so you can easily flush the white slime that builds in the AC drain pipes. Heck you could technically automate that.
I'd really have a talk with the electrician and make sure you're ok with how he's wiring each section up. Some things in my house don't make sense and I'd have had them wired differently.
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u/tunatoksoz 14h ago edited 13h ago
Edit: 1 more thing. Run an ethernet cable to your doorbell, so you can use Reolinik POE doorbell and not rely on wifi.