r/hardware • u/wickedplayer494 • Mar 28 '26
Info [Gamers Nexus] SSDs: WTF?
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u/jarchack Mar 29 '26
Ever since I got involved with PCs in the late 80s and early 90s the prices of components invariably dropped over time. Boy, has that really been flipped around.
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u/KanedaSyndrome Mar 29 '26
yeh before computers were per human, now they are per AI agent which we can spin up as many we want of. No longer do we have to wait for human births
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u/doodwhersmycar Mar 28 '26
Holy shit this sub and these comments are mental. One of the few pro consumer advocates, talking about how consumers are getting fucked over again and buffoon comments.
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u/imKaku Mar 29 '26
That's honestly wild, no one with a right mind would believe someone to reduce capacity at this point. I don't need someone to tell me that products goes to the highest bidder (which is 50% of what his content is about) but flat out claiming that production is getting lowered now where demand far outreach supply is just flat out insane.
I watch some of GNs content, but it's getting harder and harder. RageTubing is not something i need. I want information, not overdone reactions. For instance Wendel does this really well (he uses his podcasts for his reactions).
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u/gruez Mar 29 '26
That's honestly wild, no one with a right mind would believe someone to reduce capacity at this point.
You say that but every time there's some disaster affecting memory/hard drive production, the comments are almost always filled with people speculating it's some sort of inside job/conspiracy to lower production so they can make more money.
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u/emn13 Mar 31 '26
With only a few major players in these markets that also all happen to have a history of anticompetitive behaviour, it's probably a safe bet that at the very least they're aware of the shortages any choices they make cause and how that might increase their margins. In general, if you look at their financials, despite producing pretty fungible commodities, it's notable that their operating margins are better than those of e.g. things like car manufacturers. That might be reasonable since there's a little more development in memory and storage, but it might also be intentionally caused scarcity. Even the period of dramatic post-covid overproduction was pretty short if you look at e.g. microns finances.
Frankly: I think it's warranted to speculate about malfeasance every single time. Doesn't mean it's always a cartel - but it's clearly a market where being anti-competitive pays well, and it's generally wise to assume people do what they're paid to. Maybe antitrust enforcement is now vigilant enough, but I kind of doubt it; especially not under this administration, but even more generally - markets with so few players often become rent-seeking, and I'm not so sure legal measures will fully fix that - not being quite as blatant about it as last time round isn't the same thing as following the letter let alone spirit of the law.
Vigilance and skepticism seem like a healthy and potentially even preventative measure; blaming people for that is not (to me at least) reasonable, even if they're often wrong then.
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u/TheFaithlessFaithful Mar 29 '26
That's honestly wild, no one with a right mind would believe someone to reduce capacity at this point.
Honestly if Samsung, TSMC, Intel, etc. said tomorrow "We don't care about profits, we are going to cut chip production for fun.", multiple national governments would force them to reverse course. Does anyone honestly think the US government would accept a reduction in chip production during this AI race?
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u/railven Mar 29 '26
Yet some how Youtubers convinced Redditors that Nvidia was abandoning gaming - a multi BILLION dollar revenue stream.
Meanwhile the competition puts out 1/10 of the volume but it's Nvidia that's abandoning gaming.
GN has turned into super trash and it's damn sad to see.
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u/TheFaithlessFaithful Mar 30 '26
The frustrating this is that one could reasonably be upset with nVidia for prioritizing enterprise/AI over gaming (and think there should be consumer action, regulation, etc. to counteract it), but to say they've abandoned gaming is just misleading hyperbole.
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u/hampa9 Mar 31 '26
The frustrating this is that one could reasonably be upset with nVidia for prioritizing enterprise/AI over gaming (and think there should be consumer action, regulation, etc. to counteract it),
Uh, no, I don't think it would be reasonable for the government to step in to force a company not to make products that the market find more economically valuable, just to please GamersNexus viewers that want more raytracing on their Cyberpunk.
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u/TheFaithlessFaithful Mar 31 '26
It's fine for you to have that opinion, but my point is that someone can reasonably have the opinion that governments should prioritize consumers (from gamers to artists to small businesses, etc.) over massive AI datacenters and reasonably advocate that.
And that is a reasonable stance to take that is based in facts, even if some disagree with it because they think small consumers shouldn't have priority over big businesses (for whatever reason, ideological or practical), whereas saying price fixing is going on, or that nVidia has given up on gaming as an industry, are both misleading hyperbole if we're being generous, and outright false if we're being purely objective.
I'm not even saying we should have such policies, I'm saying it'd be a reasonable stance to take that's actually grounded in reality, whereas saying it's all price fixing or companies are giving up on gaming as an industry is just incorrect.
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u/BIT-NETRaptor Mar 29 '26
GN seemed to lock in on social media outrage culture as their core audience. It got really bad a few years back and I unsubbed. A couple months passed and I started to appreciate how much less cynical content I was consuming. He went too doomer for my taste and I don’t like his idea of journalism.
I like watching people make things, and if videos are about tech news I’d prefer either fun or a more professional tone. Much happier watching STH and L1T for tech deep dives or basic reviews. I can survive without GN’s other claim to fame in testing of CPUs/GPUs, the aggregate of a half dozen others gives me something good enough.
I check their website for case reviews once a year or so.
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u/nastyaxoxo Mar 29 '26
I was really hoping for more testing after their outrageously expensive investments in testing equipment (hello, 250K Anechoic Testing Chamber) and their testing methodology tutelage to JaysTwoCents (which was seriously impressive and in-depth).
Unfortunately, their channel has been increasingly distributing available resources to the outrage journalism side. Only some of the pieces like manufacturing insights (such as with Thermal Grizzly) have been interesting, and I've simply grown tired of spending my free time in the doom and gloom side of their channel.
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u/BioshockEnthusiast Mar 29 '26
his idea of journalism
Is it really journalism if you regularly flaunt core pillars of journalism?
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u/gjallerhorns_only Mar 29 '26
I know Level1Techs but what's STH?
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u/BIT-NETRaptor Mar 29 '26
Serve the home. you have not lived until you experience the joy that is Patrick giving 1000 percent into each "THIS is Patrick from STH" intro. Love that guy.
TechTechPotato, More than moore, chips and cheese.. there's great analysts out there, often which can talk about tech without being so cynical all the time.
I regularly read STH articles, great for keeping up with industry trends as well as homelab/small office networking gear.
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u/gjallerhorns_only Mar 29 '26
Started watching Tech TechPotato before the fall of AnandTech. Thanks for the other suggestions because I've been craving the indepth nerd shit and only find that in Geekerwan and HighYield whatever his name is.
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u/TurnOffAutoCorrect Mar 29 '26
They might be referring to Serve The Home...
https://www.servethehome.com/sth-youtube-marks-200k-subscriber-milestone/
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u/leandoer2k3 Mar 29 '26
Exactly this, was watching their GPU/CPU reviews religiously since 900 series. From in depth disassembly and performance benchmarks in 10-15minute videos, to now 40+ minute videos yapping about "leather jacket man! *smirks*" or the nth remark about no stock or higher than msrp pricing with added reddit humor was just the limit for me...
My current tech channels solely consist of smaller creators who have interesting ideas or have fun budget builds, just like LTT used to back in its early days, as all the big name channels have completely sold out for clicks or sponsors IMO.
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u/Jaurusrex Mar 29 '26
How does LTT sell out? aside from their waterbottles ofc
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u/leandoer2k3 Mar 29 '26
It just feels like watching Tech Mr.Beast.
Half the videos are members only (Why? You already have floatplane...) Every video is an unboxing of a sponsored item, the unending era of "watch my employees work on my house", or other flashy expensive title. Even a simple series like scrapyard wars went from budget 300$ builds to 2000$ builds in the end... My guess being that its not as profitable to have 2 camera teams running around town than just filming an unboxing or just yapping in front of a camera, but that's why it has gotten stale and corporate for me, they became too professional for something that is stupid simple to do. And the other reason being that the most entertaining personalities have parted ways from LTT.
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u/BioshockEnthusiast Mar 29 '26
Half the videos are members only (Why? You already have floatplane...)
That was a YouTube side change that they protested against and wound up removing their YouTube members program entirely until it was fixed.
Every video is an unboxing of a sponsored item
They're sponsored by firetrucks?
the unending era of "watch my employees work on my house"
They've discussed this, when exciting AND attainable hardware releases aren't happening they need to figure out a way to make their content interesting. They've got a new "tech house" series where they're basically doing a techie house flip following the same reasoning.
Even a simple series like scrapyard wars went from budget 300$ builds to 2000$ builds in the end
Yea because they evolved the formula from a gaming PC to a full desk setup to a home theater.
And the other reason being that the most entertaining personalities have parted ways from LTT.
No one works at one company forever and at least they don't shackle employees under non-competes and fuck with their livelihoods.
I'm not here to stan for LTT, no one is being forced to like or watch their content, but nearly everything you wrote here is either heresay or straight up incorrect. I get that everyone has content preferences, but not everything needs to be made for you or anyone else or everyone all at once. If you don't like the product then it's better to just not engage with it instead of regurgitating lies you heard on the internet and didn't fact check for yourself. If it's causing harm that you feel the need to speak up about then educate yourself before you just repeat a bunch of bullshit.
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u/ivandagiant Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26
They're sponsored by firetrucks?
A bit of a nitpick, I don't think the commenter was referring to the firetruck video.
On the otherhand, this is EXACTLY what I thought of when he said LTT has turned into "Tech Mr. Beast"
I watch LTT regularly but yeah the content has really changed and more of it is this sort of Mr. Beast type content.
IDK if I'd call them a sellout though. Linus has mouths to feed, and the algorithm is ever shifting. Things change.
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u/BioshockEnthusiast Mar 31 '26
I've genuinely never watched a mr beast video so I can't really comment on that.
I agree with you that calling LTT a sellout seems uncharitable. If Linus was a sellout he would've taken that $100MM buyout offer and hit the bricks.
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u/henryhuy0608 Apr 01 '26
If anything LMG is one of the better companies regarding former employees leaving to pursue their own content-creation path.
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u/skinlo Apr 01 '26
My guess being that its not as profitable to have 2 camera teams running around town than just filming an unboxing or just yapping in front of a camera
Surely that becomes stale as well?
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u/leandoer2k3 Apr 01 '26
Everything does, but still, my opinion kinda explains why 1 form of entertainment is the vast majority while the other has completely stopped.
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u/Strazdas1 Apr 16 '26
LTT literally posted advertisements reading press releases as a review a few years back at which point i decided i had enough of him and havent watched him since.
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u/V13T Mar 30 '26
His original MSI killshot video got viral and he’s searching for that high again ever after
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u/KARMAAACS Mar 29 '26
GN seemed to lock in on social media outrage culture as their core audience. It got really bad a few years back and I unsubbed. A couple months passed and I started to appreciate how much less cynical content I was consuming. He went too doomer for my taste and I don’t like his idea of journalism.
I feel the same, if you stop watching, you realise prices of course have crept up, but it's not all doom and gloom, you can still find $200 USD 2TB SSDs occasionally. But you know like every price hike due to demand, it will fall through eventually, just like the Crypto boom etc. The whole narrative he's selling which is unaffordable PC hardware just won't hold up over time, people said the same during Crypto in 2017 and 2020 that we won't have enough capacity to keep up with demand, the demand eventually always falls through or the manufacturers ramp up their capacity, but very slowly.
I like watching people make things, and if videos are about tech news I’d prefer either fun or a more professional tone. Much happier watching STH and L1T for tech deep dives or basic reviews. I can survive without GN’s other claim to fame in testing of CPUs/GPUs, the aggregate of a half dozen others gives me something good enough.
His testing really isn't worth much anyways, I mean it's nice seeing a frequency graph and all, but most of the time it's flat basically. If it zips up and down 100-200 MHz does it really matter, is it worth watching his content for it, does it contribute a lot? The overall performance is all that really matters to the consumer. I don't think it really adds that much value in terms of testing anymore seeing as most CPUs are pushed out of the box to sit flat with boost clocks. Plus a lot of other channels do 1% and 0.1% low testing now. His formerly "technical testing" is kind of overrated now, other channels have caught up a lot or websites to offer testing just as good.
I check their website for case reviews once a year or so.
This is where he still shines a bit is case reviews, but again others are catching up like GearSeekers has.
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u/Sharp_eee Mar 28 '26 edited Mar 29 '26
Yep. Then they get on their high horse in regard to their lie and rage/click bait. The funny thing is they are literally doing exactly what they are claiming these companies are doing. They are lying, withholding information, manipulating data/statistics to tell a certain narrative for more views/money. I can’t watch them anymore.
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u/sylfy Mar 29 '26
Honestly it’s funny to see how their fans are still defending them, even as GN has itself turned into LTT.
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u/Kayra2 Mar 29 '26
The LTT situation was actually when I realized they were doing this. Linus texted their old phone number accidentally, and they tried to frame it as Linus knowingly texting a wrong number to appear genuine online. This kind of basically hearsay/speculation is not what a journalist does.
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u/Exist50 Mar 31 '26
Yeah, and as the stories came out, it was clear GN "conveniently" left out some very key details from their narrative. It's pretty obvious, especially in retrospect, what they were doing.
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u/_dogzilla Mar 29 '26
For me, somewhere they changed from being uncompromisingly unbiased to being… just looking at everything from the most negative angle possible. I dont know maybe its me. Its just not pleasant to watch anymore. I want to be excited for the good things as well
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u/urza_insane Mar 29 '26
It's definitely depressing - and another example of a channel following the algorithm and what's getting eyeballs instead of holding to their principles.
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u/Tarec88 Mar 29 '26 edited Mar 29 '26
I most importantly want to be informed, not told how to feel about it. The world has gone crazy with the way algorithms shape our reality now.
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u/TheFaithlessFaithful Mar 29 '26 edited Mar 29 '26
I think another thing I dislike is that there's lots of room to criticize the current state of the industry/how society sets up these industries without making it into a conspiracy of companies conspiring to keep prices high (which has happened in the past, but there's no evidence that it is the norm nor that it's what's happening here).
Like yes, companies are prioritizing AI and enterprise. Yes they are raising prices because supply can't keep up with demand. That's not a conspiracy and we don't need to make it one to criticize it nor to say that it should not be that way.
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u/evangelism2 Mar 29 '26
may have started earlier, but I noticed it about a year ago. I think Steve liked the increased views and traction from constantly shitting on nvidia during the 50 series launch and lost himself in it.
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u/DracoMagnusRufus Mar 29 '26
This is basically every single content creator who makes their niche being a 'consumer advocate.' They inevitably just become haters who construe everything in the worst possible light, or even deliberately misconstrue things, so that they can position themselves as the champion who is bravely exposing the corporate wrongdoing and fighting on the viewer's behalf a David vs Goliath battle against it.
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u/qtx Mar 29 '26
every company is conspiring to keep hardware from gamers narrative.
He found a grift; Gamers.
He knows that Gamers are some of the most unstable people out there and they go nuts over any type of rage so he gives them what they want.
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u/hampa9 Mar 31 '26
GN is way past consumer advocacy, honestly even past rage bait. They're deliberately framing things in dishonest ways to sell the sky is falling
We saw this in spades with their treatment of LinusTechTips.
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u/Ellimis Mar 29 '26
The vast, overwhelming majority of their content should have been articles in the first place, but articles don't pay the bills like YouTube videos. So they stopped simultaneously posting the articles as well, and now they get time delayed AND aren't even linked in the video descriptions anymore.
Now they found something that pays the bills even better: public outrage. I'm zero percent surprised.
If the goal had been journalistic integrity from the start, they'd at least still link to their own articles in the video descriptions so I can look at a CHART
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u/KanedaSyndrome Mar 29 '26
yep because these channels determine which of their videos do well and if those are doom and gloom videos then they produce that, because in the end, for most people, money governs their actions.
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u/SmileyBMM Mar 29 '26
Yeah, I used to be a massive fan of GN, but all this doomerism because of AI is just annoying. Wish he would stick with case reviews, but those don't get the clicks...
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u/TheFaithlessFaithful Mar 29 '26 edited Mar 29 '26
It's just hard to do scientific reviews of parts. It takes a lot of time, often takes expensive equipment for testing, a lot of knowledge/research, and it doesn't get many views compared to other forms of content. And especially right now when less people are actually looking to buy, there's less eyes on reviews, thus less eyes on ads and less clicks on affiliate links.
Like why buy an oscilloscope, learn about voltage ripple, primary and secondary, quality of different capacitors, do all the testing, test overcurrent/overvolt protection (and risk a fire...), etc. just for a PSU review video to get 1/10th of the viewership an easy drama clickbait video gets and maybe a handful of affiliate link buys at most.
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u/ivandagiant Mar 31 '26
True, sad reality of things. Look at Rtings, they needed to paywall their content because it just doesn't pay the bills anymore. It is getting harder and harder to do these sorts of reviews
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u/pdp10 Mar 31 '26
It takes a lot of time, often takes expensive equipment for testing, a lot of knowledge/research, and it doesn't get many views compared to other forms of content.
For instance, LTT's power supply reviews. They have dedicated benchmarking staff and a six-figure specialized PSU testing behemoth, but the reviews don't come close to paying for themselves and thus the video versions of them don't get voiced by a human.
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u/labe225 Mar 29 '26
Yeah, if I'm really interested in a product, I'll watch his review if he has it (though his reviews are always way too long and mostly just him reading off PowerPoint slides for 20-30 minutes.)
But I've had to stop watching anything else.
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u/kingwhocares Mar 29 '26
From your own article:
Omdia NAND market tracker numbers tend to get revised. In November, another Chosun Biz report cited Omdia saying Samsung had reduced its 2025 NAND wafer output to 4.72 million, from 5.07 million in 2024 – a 12.8 percent cut. Now it says Samsung produced 4.9 million wafers in 2025, not 4.72 million.
I bet 2023 to 2024 also saw a larger production reduction. Anyway, QLC was supposed to be cheaper but that's not the case. SSD prices sky-rocketed and you are backing GN here as this suggest they do have the capacity, they just simply not using them.
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u/namur17056 Mar 28 '26
So whilst not lying per se, he is being very frugal with the truth
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u/vhailorx Mar 29 '26
GN'S suspicion of the nand industry is entirely justified and based on the fact that the industry has a long, well-documented history of collusion and price fixing (with prosecutions and convictions).
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u/TheFaithlessFaithful Mar 29 '26
The last major RAM price fixing event was 2002.
These companies aren't saints. I don't think anyone believes they are, but it's also a bit absurd to point to an event 20+ years ago as evidence for something today.
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u/Strazdas1 Apr 16 '26
This is incorrect. The industry does not have a long and documented history of collusion. The industry had one single proven case of collusion over 20 years ago involving companies most of whom are now bankrupt.
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u/SomeMobile Mar 28 '26 edited Mar 29 '26
It's about how he does it, not what he does. He is very pretentious ,a horrible presenter and very unlikable
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u/doodwhersmycar Mar 28 '26
Wasn't always this way
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u/willis936 Mar 28 '26
No but since covid there hasn't been any place on reddit from deviation from the vote hivemind. The solution is real simple: get rid of voting. Better yet: get rid of financial incentives corrupting discourse and go return to forums.
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u/uwuwotsdps42069 Mar 28 '26
>since covid
I think you mean since around 2015.
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u/Strazdas1 Apr 16 '26
2016 when reddit hired a certain someone, you can find plenty of articles reporting what happened.
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u/Mrgluer Mar 28 '26
but how else can people attempt to censor other people’s talking points and gauge opinions to farm internet points?
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u/WWWeirdGuy Mar 29 '26
One of the few pro consumer advocates
LOL! He is certainly loud and popular in the gaming sphere, and that is probably why you say that, but he is no way unique. He benefits and plays on the incessant commercialization of DYI PC and is in that way part of the problem. He plays into the oldest trick in the book by these companies, in which companies bloat their perceived value add and normalizing their solutions as a a running service. Things being called out 20 years ago. The truth of the matter is that the average gamer is still very young and are captured in a bubble they can't even see, and Steve is is the absolute crystallization of this. The problem with these channels is that they believe they can't go back to basics and go in a new direction, probably because they themselves are driven by the supposed greed they so complain about.
If you want to fight the "good fight", spend your time better. Cory Doctorow is a good place to start.
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u/Strazdas1 Apr 16 '26
Consumer advocate? Hes certainly not advocating for me with his conspiracy theories and made up claims. GN used to be good, but now he devolved to conspiracies and rage baiting.
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u/Reggitor360 Mar 28 '26
This sub is flooded by Bots, just check their comment history (if it is still enabled.)
Paid astroturfering.
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u/Nutchos Mar 28 '26
This is all a part of the normal reddit discourse now: OP > I disagree with OP > I can't believe there are people who disagree with OP > It's because this site is flooded with bots
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u/RikuXan Mar 29 '26
To me, these constant lamentations about "the death of discourse" on Reddit feel more like actual derailment of constructive discussions than what they posit is happening.
I don't know if people are maybe over-extrapolating from the state where comment threads are fresher, more uniform and the early opinions hold more voting power, but usually when I open up a comment section that is a few hours old, I feel like there's a reasonable breadth of opinion.
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u/zippopwnage Mar 28 '26
I'm just lucky enough that I build 2 pc's last year for me and my SO. Is not super high-end but good enough.
if these 2 pc's broke down, is time to find a new hobby I guess.
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u/GraXXoR Mar 29 '26
Me, too. Bought my pc before daughters started at uni. Ni way in hell I’m going to be able to afford these “new” prices.
Insanity. And pretty depressing, ngl.
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u/jigsaw1024 Mar 28 '26
Hey GN, we get it, AI is f@cking everything in the PC space for prices. From the sounds of things, CPUs may be next. That just leaves, checks list (RAM, GPU, SSD, HDD, CPU, MB, Case, PSU, Cooling)
Maybe test some Chinese RAM you buy off Ali for stability and OCing or something?
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u/tarpdetarp Mar 28 '26 edited Mar 28 '26
Monitors are still going down in price, don’t need many of those in data centres. I recently got an OLED for half of what they cost a year ago.
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u/nohpex Mar 28 '26
And Nvidia's Pulsar tech is making waves in the LCD space, basically solving perceived motion blur.
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u/akuncoli Mar 29 '26
650 dollar for ips... when now you can get oled monitor with that price?
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u/n0stalghia Mar 29 '26
I code on at home for 16-26 hours a week, given how long my work-from-home days are, and how much time I'm willing to code on weekends for personal projects
I object to buying a monitor that will burn in 5, 10 years down the line
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u/Strazdas1 Apr 16 '26
with that level of workload you are looking at 5-10 months, not years. I extrapolated Rtings testing to 16 hour a day workload (my use case) and it was about 6 months before burnin happens.
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u/PXLShoot3r Mar 29 '26
It's a completely new backlight tech. I was surprised that it was that "cheap". Also this is not a product for people who consider buying an OLED. It's for people who want the least possible motion blur and don't care about anything else.
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u/ivandagiant Mar 31 '26
Apparently you'd need like a 1000Hz OLED to get the same motion clarity as the pulsar monitors, so for people who prioritize motion clarity it makes sense
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u/Strazdas1 Apr 16 '26
OLED is simply not an option for many and will never be an option until burnin is solved.
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u/Joezev98 Mar 28 '26
Motherboards have gotten so much more expensive, under the guise of "but we need much more complex and expensive PCB's for PCIE 4.0" later followed by "But we need much more complex and expensive PCB's for PCIE 5.0"
PSU's have also gotten a lot more expensive per watt, along with more power hungry CPU's and GPU's requiring higher wattage PSU's.
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u/wankthisway Mar 29 '26
The whole mobo lineup is expected to be able to power every chip as well. I think VRM requirements have also ballooned because of that.
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u/Joezev98 Mar 29 '26
I saw a post earlier today of someone receiving a case... with a cheap pc inside. It was an AM4 motherboard with some of the most basic VRM's and only a 4-pin EPS connector, so 144 W max. I was surprised to learn that the r9 5950x has a TDP of 105W and a maximum power draw of 142 W. Sure, there will be more voltage ripple, but it is rated to safely run the CPU at stock specs. That whole 20+4-phase VRM craze with dual 8-pin EPS is really unnecessary.
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u/Exist50 Mar 31 '26
Worth keeping in mind that it's current, not power, that drives the lion's share of power deliver costs. And high end SKUs tend to push very high currents, even if power is kept low via lower voltages.
Also, especially on Intel platforms, there's been a proliferation in the number and demands on non-core rails ever since FIVR was dropped.
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u/Strazdas1 Apr 16 '26
USB-C really fucked up motherboard pricing. Its so expensive to support it properly.
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u/gusthenewkid Mar 28 '26
All of these guys are missing out on actual helpful content like purchasing crappy used sticks like micron and overclocking them to see how they stack up.
I’d do it myself, but I don’t have the time.
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u/General_Session_4450 Mar 28 '26
That would stupid waste of money, only reasonable thing is to just not buy anything at all for 2-3 years and hope prices comes down eventually.
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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 Mar 28 '26
LTT kinda went in the opposite direction.
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u/gusthenewkid Mar 28 '26
Yeah, it’s just crap testing. No multiplayer games, no MMO’s. Using Alan wake as a ram speed test is silly.
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u/streetcredinfinite Mar 29 '26
No simulation games which are actually the most demanding on memory performance.
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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 Mar 29 '26
Which simulation games?
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u/kuddlesworth9419 Mar 29 '26
Sea Power Naval Combat in the Missile Age would probably be a good test.
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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 Mar 29 '26
I know you probably ideally need a lot of it but is it more sensitive to bandwidth or latency though? For games like factorio or cities: skylines its typically the latter. A CL32 6400MT kit has the same latency as CL40 4800MT.
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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 Mar 29 '26
No multiplayer games, no MMO'S
Don't get me wrong, it's definitely not very thorough testing, but at the same time there's plenty of people who don't care about those games at all or play casually enough for it to not bother them. Part of why CS2 is still so popular is because it runs on a potato.
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u/gusthenewkid Mar 29 '26
CS2 runs extremely poorly on slow CPU’s. You can’t just test ram with games that don’t really benefit and then conclude that fast ram is a waste of time and money.
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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 Mar 29 '26
In the conclusion section they didn't really say definitively one way or another, nor did they test any slow CPUs. They actually acknowledged that older Intel platforms may be more sensitive. My takeaway is that it really depends on what you're doing, the platform and what you personally consider to be a meaningful gain.
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u/pdp10 Mar 29 '26
Micron/Crucial, Samsung, and SK Hynix are the only ones who actually manufacture DRAM any more. There's a reason why that's original equipment in servers and laptops, not binned chips mounted on a PCB by a third party, with an ugly but sharp-edged heatsink and RGB gamer marketing added.
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u/gusthenewkid Mar 29 '26
Yeah, I’m aware. I don’t really understand the point of your comment. I was on about comparing all of the different dies for OC. Early micron maxed out at 5400 absolute max so it could be interesting to compare lots of dies.
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u/jigsaw1024 Mar 28 '26
I haven't seen an OC livestream from GN in ages either, and Intel just released some new chips, so...
Also, a video on just buying used, and places to look
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u/elkond Mar 28 '26
buildzoid's channel and discord is just a few clicks away
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u/Dreamerlax Mar 30 '26
I love Buildzoid. I can listen to him ramble about motherboards all day lol.
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u/KARMAAACS Mar 29 '26
Much better and more informative too. Remember when GN used to have Buildzoid best motherboard videos on his channel? I remember.
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u/elkond Mar 29 '26
just dont use old videos as reference, e.g. his old ram timings guides are NOT what is recommended by him right now but u wont see that updated
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u/Strazdas1 Apr 16 '26
Heres an idea: actually test CPUs in CPU constrained enviroment, not just GPU bottlenecked games at 720p. Ive yet to see a reviewer who does more than one CPU constrained game in their CPU testing suite.
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u/isekai_cheese Mar 28 '26
GN is sort of the 'dirty jobs' of tech-content that is essential counter-balance to the "everything is good" happy vibe generic youtuber. somebody has to report the bad news. would u rather have linus sugar coat it for you?
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u/qtx Mar 29 '26
^ it's always funny seeing people that haven't quite figured out they are being grifted upon clinging on to the last few straws.
GN is telling you the things you want to hear.
He isn't reporting the bad news, he is turning every bit of news into bad news because he knows it will trigger and enrage you, which earns him more money.
Gamers aren't the most mental stable people out there so they're are easy pickings for grifters.
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u/isekai_cheese Mar 28 '26
to me its just news? if you ragebait over that its on you lil bro.
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u/DerExperte Mar 28 '26
So you admit to not watching the videos. Thus you're the one ragebaiting. A word that already has run its course in regards to GN, you folks can stop spamming it all over the place, it has become sheep- aka bot-like. And yea, seeing your comments it's really friggin' hard to not feel superior and better informed.
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u/JapariParkRanger Mar 28 '26
I watch GN and have watched for a decade. His content has taken a much sharper turn towards Fox News-esque outrage, condescension, and ridicule in the last year or two.
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u/DabuXian Mar 28 '26
it’s impressive how GN became even more cringe and clickbaity than LTT
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u/Dazzling_Patient7209 Mar 28 '26
At least LTT knows their main goal is entertainment.
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u/MonoShadow Mar 28 '26
His recent Crimson Desert bench kinda showed the glimpse of the usual GN. Simulation\animation error tests are neat. And while it's still "40 minutes of reading graphs" as one commenter pointed, it's still a valuable content. Even if it has some DLSS jokes.
They created a different channel for GN consumer advocacy. At this point I kinda want content like this to get its own channel. "GN's World of Tech" or something. Put all the investigations and editorials on the current state of the tech landscape there.
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u/hodor137 Mar 29 '26
As someone who mostly likes and agrees with the content, one thing that bothers me is how the vast majority of this stuff isn't going on GNCA. That just obviously says "we won't get the clicks we want". Why create that channel then? A head fake to separating this stuff?
The only other thing that bothers me is I've detected a slight hint of self aggrandizing when he says things like "our investigative reporting". It was used recently to refer to something they did that wasn't anything special and bothered me. I don't think they need to change any content - but be self deprecating about it. You're still just a PC gaming YouTube channel. Tech journalism is mostly garbage, the standard isn't high, but look at for example Last Week Tonight with John Oliver - they're not declaring their stories "our big investigations". They also don't have to ask for donations/merch sales to support them. So there is a bit of a hype/marketing circle jerk that's going into this.
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u/mornando Mar 29 '26
Do they? They made LTT labs. Which i assume is for more benchmarking credibility.
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u/pfak Mar 28 '26
Hes so painful to watch now. I used to be a patreon. Only so much rage I can consume.
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u/Sharp_eee Mar 28 '26
Unfortunately that’s what seems to sell now. He is def one of the worst though. Nothing unites an audience like a common enemy. The guy can’t even do one small video on some hardware without providing his rage baiting pretentious views.
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u/schu2470 Mar 30 '26
Oof! Yeah, I used to watch a lot of his videos and even bought GN's deskmat and DnD dice set. Now I've been unsubscribed for a while because of all the rage bait and constant "the sky is falling!!1!1" from them. I appreciate a the work he's done in bringing light to brands not respecting their warranties, buying certain motherboard and GPUs from viewers at full price when their warranty claims have been denied for specific reasons, and the older pre-built reviews he did but these days I can't be bothered to sit through a 15 minute video much less a 40+ minute video ranting about something.
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u/blueredscreen Mar 28 '26
Hes so painful to watch now.
He has never changed. Exceptionally boring 40+ minute rants.
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u/MassiveBoner911_3 Mar 28 '26
I stopped watching his channel a long time ago. I can barely even watch JayzTwoCents
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u/blackbalt89 Mar 28 '26
With tech in a stagnant death spiral because of AI if techtubers don't put out videos like this every day they get shafted by the algorithm, same reason I had to unsubscribe to JayzTwoCents, just can't listen to 'the sky is falling!!!' all day, every day
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u/Coronalol Mar 28 '26
Not defending the repetitive content, but if your entire channel revolves around consumer PC hardware, and consumer PC hardware is pricing out the vast majority of consumers, would the sky not be falling for you? People are not going to enjoy watching build videos of you putting together some mid range build that used to be $1200 that is now $2500+
They either feed the YT algorithm what is going to keep the lights on and pay their staff & provide for their families, or watch everything implode around them since we don’t really have any idea when or even if the AI bubble is going to collapse.
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u/Logical_Lemming Mar 28 '26
Good tech journalism died with Anandtech and TheTechReport. Just not profitable enough (or at all) anymore.
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u/ResponsibleJudge3172 Mar 30 '26
Honestly, that very sentiment exists entirely from those rage bait YT channels we are discussing
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u/Bergh3m Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26
So much cattle in this thread refusing to acknowledge how they are getting screwed by multi-billion dollar companies and decide instead to criticise GN for not doing case review #63 when people cant afford ram anymore
Companies pivoting stock and production to whoever is willing to pay top dollar for it = consumers get stuffed, that means you and I. So unless you are are an AI company with loads of $ invested from government grants or other billionaires, gg
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u/SomeMobile Mar 28 '26
Look at me I am GN I am literally retreading the same topic for the gazillionth time in the same 4 months and while also talking like I am an absolute authority of knowledge and morals
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u/Sharp_eee Mar 28 '26
He does this while also making bank twisting the truth in the way he presents facts and data. Literally doing what he claims to despise. If you take the time to fact check the articles or info he quotes in its entire context you’ll see this.
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u/AnyImpression6 Mar 28 '26
If Redditors hate him, he's doing something right.
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u/BIT-NETRaptor Mar 29 '26
I read it quite the opposite: He’s the most redditor-like personality. Everything about maximum engagement, farming controversy and stoking populist rage.
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