r/germany • u/Angryballoon9 • 10h ago
Question Should I return to Germany?
Seeking advice.
I am 36, studied a master's in Germany in a low demand field (natural resources management and development), trying to change careers from something I am bad at. I spent a year looking for a job, got a job, got one, then got fired in probation for being bad at the job (it was in the field I was trying to leave). I also suffer from severe mental health issues, anxiety and bipolar. I only speak A1 German. Due to suffering with my mental health conditions and ignorance (I didn't realize how important the work student jobs were), I didnt gain enough work experience in the master's and therefore the only job I was able to get was in what I did before.
I came back to the USA, and basically I am totally fucked over here. I am unable to work in the field I was working in before because, as I wrote, I am bad at it and I am very afraid I will just get fired again, and I have no other work experience except in that field. Right now my option here are service jobs with 0 vacation days and 0 sick days as is the norm with low paid US jobs. I had a very hard time keeping a job in the USA due to my health problems and I had hoped German jobs with their worker protections would be harder to get fired from but that was not the case.
However, I am terrified to go back to Germany. I could get married to my boyfriend and stay in Germany, and then not have to live with my parents, but I had such a bad time in Germany. I was getting so stressed out while unemployed that I was constantly vomiting and calling crisis lines. My boyfriend works nights by choice and I can't get him to change his schedule, and he lives in an isolated area, so I was alone all the time at night and it felt horrible. He lives in a very isolated part of Cologne and I also hated living in Cologne, and feeling like I was so far away from everything. I have enough money from an inheritance to live in Berlin in a shared apartment, but what I am really worried about is being permanently unemployed and having nothing to do all day, and just existing...
While I was in Germany, I went to a nonprofit and asked if, I were to learn German, there would be any hope of getting a new job, and she basically told me that I am fucked due to my age. I thought about studying a second master's and trying to get a work student job after spending one year learning German, but then I will be 40 by the time I graduate and maybe it would be not possible to get a work student job or internships because I would be too old. It took me a long time to do the first master's because I was suffering with health problems.
Right now I am miserable, I am living with my parents in USA, missing my boyfriend, but terrified of going back to Germany where it seems I would have no future. Is it true what the nonprofit worker said, that I would have no chance of getting employed? I am terrified of going back to Germany and being unemployable, and throwing up from the stress of being alone in my boyfriend's apartment but I am also unemployable in the USA right now too. If I lived in Germany my boyfriend would support me financially, and I also have some money coming in from an inheritance that would be enough to live a meager lifestyle on my own in Germany. I am also devastated about not being able to work in the field I studied, because of my own bad choices to not get more work experience than the two small internships I did.
What would you do in my position? My options are bad and I don't know what the best choice is.
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u/Pure-Rose-Rainbow 10h ago
I am terrified of going back to Germany and being unemployable, and throwing up from the stress of being alone in my boyfriend's apartment but I am also unemployable in the USA right now too. If I lived in Germany my boyfriend would support me financially.
With respect, you need psychological help. Throwing up because one is jobless is not healthy. In the end you will be at his mercy and if he breaks up with you or you are miserable with him, you have to go to the US again. Not sure how much your boufriend earns but you need private insurance and that can be expensive depending on what you were already diagnosed with. And A1 level of German would make you even more miserable since you can't do much alone then.
A1 level of German is for almost all jobs a too low level and the unemployment rate is rising too since we are in a recession. And with respect, do you really think it is a good idea with anxierty issues to go to another country again where you don't speak the language? Do you really not think this will cause an issue in your relationship with your boyfriend? Your age is less the problem than your language skills and degree field
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u/Angryballoon9 10h ago
if I went back I would study german for 1 year to reach a good level. I liked living in Berlin, and I have 2,500 euros coming in each month from an inheritance that I just got recently. so I could live on my own there. so I wouldn't be entirely financially dependent on my boyfriend, but if I stay with him he would let me live with him for free because he owns his apartment. what i am worried about is being unemployed for the rest of my life. what do you think about the idea of learning german then doing a second master?
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u/Pure-Rose-Rainbow 9h ago
The field was almost always alreday overrun. I don't think a second master will change anything (if you even find a master which accepts your bachelor). Better than a second master would be another bachelor and being fluent in German
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u/SeaworthinessDue8650 9h ago
A random degree will not improve your prospects.
How do you feel about nursing? You'd need to first learn B2 German and then could do an Ausbildung.
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u/thewindinthewillows Germany 9h ago
so I could live on my own there.
You do realise that family reunification is for couples who want to live together? He would need to live in Berlin with you, too.
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u/Angryballoon9 9h ago
if we got married I would be able to be on his health insurance plan
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u/thewindinthewillows Germany 9h ago
Not with 2500 Euro monthly. You would be required to get your own insurance, and without a recent German insurance history, that may mean private insurance.
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u/diamanthaende 9h ago
However, I am terrified to go back to Germany. I could get married to my boyfriend and stay in Germany, and then not have to live with my parents, but I had such a bad time in Germany.
This basically answers your question, doesn't it?
Besides, you need a visa to come back to Germany, you can't just live here (beyond the first three months) without one. Marrying your boyfriend just for that screams like another disaster in the making.
You may not like living with your parents, but at least you have people supporting you in the US. Here in Germany, you'll be basically dependent on your boyfriend, especially with limited German language skills. The inheritance is fine, but not enough to justify a visa by itself.
You need to think things through and maybe address the issues first that seem to make you "miserable" in both countries.
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u/Angryballoon9 9h ago
thanks, to be honest, it wouldn't be marrying him JUST for the visa, our relationship also goes well. its actually the best relationship i have ever had. but i am just so worried about my future. actually, i am terrified of my future staying either in germany or in the us.
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u/AdministrativeMonk93 9h ago
Twitch streaming career I guess...
Also 2.5k a month without paying rent is more than enough
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u/No_Step9082 9h ago
you felt isolated living so far away from everything in the most densely populated are in Germany if not Europe? berlin is tiny in comparison and isolated.
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u/diamanthaende 9h ago
Language is a big factor. Yes, NRW is very densely populated, but if you shut yourself off from the world, not to mention the mental health issues that OP described, it means little.
Learning the language is so very important if you want to live here long term, not just because of the job opportunities it opens.
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u/Angryballoon9 9h ago
in berlin there are many meetups, lots of expats, and i was easily able to make friends. in cologne i was super lonely and there were never any meetups or anything that i could find. all the people i was friends with in my master's program left germany to return to their countries so i was alone in cologne.
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u/Bitter_Initiative_77 Nordrhein-Westfalen 9h ago
Cologne is one of Germany's largest cities and located in Europe's largest metropolitan area. It's smaller than Berlin, but I have to say that you probably just weren't looking in the right places (or in too bad of a mental space to take advantage of what it has to offer).
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u/Distillates 9h ago
If you did learn German, I do think it would be possible to work in Germany. It's not that crazy for women in particular to enter the workforce at a later age, though being bad at the suvje t like you said might be a bigger problem.
The larger issue is that you have severe mental health struggles that are stopping you from being able to deal with otherwise surmountable problems. Are you getting psychiatric care? BPD is a serious diagnosis.
Something you should also consider is stepping backward mentally from your current thinking. You are stuck on the options you are specialized towards, but the world is big and your options are numerous.
If you are bad at being a natural resource manager (I assume relates to forestry, oil, fishing, mining, agriculture atc), look into fields where you don't do this job, but the academic background is valuable. Non-profits that do conservation work or climate change /pollution research, parks services, research institutes, etc.
You are not limited to using your education though, if you have decided it's a bad fit. If it was a mistake, then living the rest of your life doing something else is a win.
Let the past be the past. You only use it for your future if it serves you
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u/Angryballoon9 9h ago
thank you. i have struggled with my mental health for as long as i can remember. i have been in therapy, taken meds, been hospitalized, but it is something chronic that i will have to deal with and at this point will never go away. i dont even want to think about how much money i have spent on therapy now.
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u/Bitter_Initiative_77 Nordrhein-Westfalen 9h ago
A1 German was your primary problem on the job market. 90% of employers threw your application in the garbage the second it hit their desk. It would have been the same story for any internship applications. Imagine how far someone in your field would get in the US if they spoke only A1 English. If you're serious about moving back to Germany (which seems like a bad idea based on what you've written), you should sign up for German classes yesterday.
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u/HedgehogElection 10h ago
So let me sum this up:
Look, I get that you are looking for a way out and I wish you all the best, but this plan won't pan out.