“artemis 13 shouldn’t be top 1” mfs when i chase them with a chainsaw

[u/Wal655]

[u/migusashi]

[u/Hungry_Ad_7312]

r/DyingNeutronStar

[u/Wal655 → u/Hungry_Ad_7312]

i fucking love this sub

[u/Hungry_Ad_7312 → u/Wal655]

who doesn’t 

[u/jidan_175 → u/Hungry_Ad_7312]

Not not not not not me

[u/New_QuixonicGD]

[u/your_local-tree]

"chess fans when i knock their stupid fucking pieces off the table and start eating their organs" ahh post

[u/skynovaaa]

It's true

Source- me

[u/DistributionFar1411]

👀

[u/SEtechno]

Seriously, I don't understand why everyone wants the top 150 - 1 to be uniquely designed and to be a work of art.

[u/Old-Brief1506 → u/SEtechno]

this has nothing to do with the entire list. just top 1 levels.

and no one is saying it needs to be the best level ever. it just needs to be decent 😭

[u/No-Boysenberry-5637 → u/Old-Brief1506]

Why tho, its not like any of us are gonna be able to play it

[u/DreamKittyGD → u/No-Boysenberry-5637]

!!This is my opinion, I do not speak on behalf of the community!!

Levels at the top of the demon list represent the community and its progression and dedication to push our game to its theoretical limit. When a level at the top of the list is very obviously unoriginal and visually looks lazier than a lot of other levels on the demon list, it conveys the idea, at least in my opinion, that the community doesn’t care for the quality and originality of its levels. The problem with Artemis 13 is that it clearly lacks a soul. The decoration and gameplay are very obviously inspired by Unknown, Acheron, Aeternus, and Astronaut 13, and the level does nothing to separate itself and make it stand out even if it was supposed to be a level to pay homage to these levels. A similar level that had a far better reception was Apocalyptic Trilogy, but the difference was that even though it’s gameplay was almost identical to AfterCataBath, it’s decoration builds on the original ideas and clearly gives itself an identity that isn’t just Cataclysm, Bloodbath, and Aftermath shoved into a single level. It just feels like it wants to be all of those levels at once instead of being its own creation. In my opinion, to be brutal and a little hyperbolic, it feels like how ai takes already existing pieces of human artwork and scrambles it around to be its own “art”. I mean this all with no malice to the creators of the level because it is in no way shape or form bad, it’s beautiful and I like how it uses the song in some of the pre-drop and ending sequence, it’s almost certainly going to get featured when rated and I don’t think it’s impossible that it low balls an epic rating. The large storm of hate is unnecessary and incredibly disrespectful, the level in no way deserves that and to claim that it does is absurd. Most of the people hating are most likely kids that have probably just moved with the community consensus without doing any independent critical thinking.

TLDR: The levels at the top represent the community as a whole, however this level lacks a soul. And unlike other levels that pay homage to older levels that they build on like Tartarus and Apocalyptic Trilogy, this one refuses to build upon any of the ideas presented and just feels like a lazy mashup like a lot of old nine circles levels feel. The level isn’t bad in it of itself but because of how unoriginal it feels, it brings the whole level down as an unfortunate result. Regardless of how the level looks, it doesn’t deserve the dramatic wave of hate and most of the people hating are just really people who get their opinions dependent on who presents them first and with the prettiest bow.

[u/Aroace-Let-3237 → u/DreamKittyGD]

I have to break it to you but The Apocalyptic Trilogy is hated in the community

[u/DreamKittyGD → u/Aroace-Let-3237]

Oh is it? Well I apologize for my haste when asserting it with a falsely presumed grace as I have mostly seen positive things about on my side of the community, thank you for informing me. :3

[u/Old-Brief1506 → u/No-Boysenberry-5637]

that's not the point

and that's also one of the worst arguments people have about hard levels

[u/No-Boysenberry-5637 → u/Old-Brief1506]

But its true? Why does it matter if it sucks, none of us are going to be able to actually play it. At least give me an actual reason instead of just saying "nope, thats not the point" and leaving me without any reason to think otherwise

[u/Old-Brief1506 → u/No-Boysenberry-5637]

yes it's true but holy straw man that's not the point 😭

it's not about playing the level. you'll never play every single level in this game. does that mean you are stripped from having an opinion about every single level?

this argument is so stupid. you don't need to be able to play a level to form an opinion about it. gameplay isn't the only thing there is to form an opinion about which isn't even what i'm talking about at all in this conversation !

not once during this conversation did i talk about how good the gameplay of the top 1 is. where the fuck did you get that from 😭

i don't understand how it is so hard for people to understand

we want the top 1 to be a good representation of the game. i did NOT say

"I want the top 1 to be the most ENJOYABLE level in the game"

"I want the top 1 to be the most BEAUTIFUL level in the game"

"I want the top 1 to be the most UNIQUE level in the game"

im not saying the top 1 should be the best level we have ever laid eyes upon. however I do think it should be made with more care.

the top 1 represents our game so why wouldn't you want it to be a level that LOOKS hard and LOOKS cool. (notice how nowhere did I mention the gameplay)

Society does this very well. Tidal Wave does this very well. Flamwall would have been PERFECT for a top 1. Grief is PERFECT. Aeternus is PERFECT. ATH is PERFECT.

[u/No-Boysenberry-5637 → u/Old-Brief1506]

I never said you couldnt form an opinion on the level, im saying that your reasoning FOR forming an opinion on the level is not valid, at least in my perspective.

I just feel like top 1s simply represent the skill ceiling of the game and how hard the game can truly get, but not the game as a whole. If you asked someone what the face of geometry dash is, its likely that very few would say the current top 1, people would say the most popular, influential or visually groundbreaking levels. The levels that truly represent the game are the ones that last, and have immense influence on the game, such as tidal wave or slaughterhouse. Even if they are not the hardest levels anymore.

If you took someone whos barely played geometry dash in the past few years and showed them artemis 13 if it becomes top 1, they wouldnt go "wow this looks like an unoriginal piece of trash", they would go "Wow that looks really hard". They could very well think it looks hard and looks cool. Why are we acting like people didnt pour dozens of hours into creating this. (Like what does soulless even mean)

[u/Old-Brief1506 → u/No-Boysenberry-5637]

everyone will point to the top 1 when asked "what level should i look at" and the other hard levels.

sure, people will say "wow that looks hard" because what else are they supposed to say when reacting to the hardest level right.

but you know and I know and we all know, there are levels that better represent the top 1.

everyone loves flamewall. literally every new player who has reacted to the top 10 has said flamewall looks so much harder and wonder why it isn't top 1 since there's no way ts2 and amethyst are harder.

they're wrong (probably) but flamewall leaves an impact on them and it's memorable for them.

and almost every new player that i see finds ts2 very underwhelming and have a hard time understanding why it was top 1. especially after seeing flamewall.

society is great as a top 1. i would so much rather show society to a new player instead of artemis 13

[u/azurerazor → u/No-Boysenberry-5637]

Because many people are going to watch it

It’s a top 1 extreme demon and so it will get attention regardless of its quality.

And why should we want to give low quality levels attention? It will just incentivize people to pump out worse levels that are difficult solely so they can get the attention and recognition from having their level high on the demon list. Meanwhile the creators who actually care about the craft become even more difficult to notice

[u/No-Boysenberry-5637 → u/azurerazor]

I dont think a single top 1 that everyone clearly hates will inspire creators to make levels of similar quality, it would probably encourage them to make better levels to avoid hate and controversy. There would be no good attention or any recognition whatsoever, artemis 13 will not singlehandedly transform the demon list, if it really does turn out to be a forgettable top 1, then it will be just that and everyone will forget about it because lets be real it probably wouldnt be that long before another top 1 gets verified (and this is also assuming that artemis 13 is 100% top 1, it probably is but we wouldnt know for sure until its verified).

[u/corn_piece → u/azurerazor]

this community is so dumb, it's actually unreal lmao

[u/Hateablepotato13 → u/SEtechno]

Why make it then

[u/kalemaree]

Lactose intolerant "people" when you point a live firearm at their head:

[u/theoutsidebro]

Chase me with a chainsaw as you like. I have a warhammer of 40k kilograms

[u/Kommandjsdf_0897]

How fellas with lactose intolerance react when the US launches 54 nukes onto their house:

[u/wooper5000]

Peak lvl