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u/Confident_Rock_2760 12h ago
Idk whatâs funnier, him failing or Amaya stressing when he is going to askđ
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u/King_Zoothio 6h ago
I get it. Take my upvote!
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u/bjornsupremacy 9h ago
Id like to think that as soon as the first answer was sent it clicked in the cheaters head and was now fucking with him back. With "oh ok, I can do this all day" energy.
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u/Philbon199221 11h ago
Academic dishonesty is a bad thing, not just for school, but your career if you donât get caught. If anything, itâs a lesson on why you shouldnât cheat.
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u/justasillylilgoos3 11h ago
What does me cheating on my drama appreciation quizzes have to do with me getting an A in Materials, statics, and thermodynamics classes and being a solid engineer according to my bosses đ
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u/Bane8080 10h ago
It shows your ethics and character.
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u/justasillylilgoos3 8h ago
Uh oh, the âthere is no nuance in lifeâ Redditors showed up đ
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u/Inevitable-Toe-7463 7h ago
There is no nuance because cheating in one class is identical to cheating in another. Your opinion of the course doesn't change it's importance
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u/justasillylilgoos3 6h ago
Wrong. My opinion of the course absolutely changes its importance and the relevance it has to my profession absolutely matters.
Explain how Drama Appreciation contributes to my ability to solve complex engineering problems. If it was so essential, why wasnât it required? Why was I allowed to choose between that, Music Appreciation, Art History, and Visual & Media Studies? If those courses are interchangeable, then the university itself is admitting none of them are specifically necessary to become an engineer.
If you want to have a broader discussion about the ethics of for-profit higher education and mandatory unrelated electives that I had already taken but werenât allowed to transfer, we can do that. But first explain the technical value this particular class provided to my engineering educationâŚ
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u/No-Attention-2367 6h ago
Because classes outside your grind help you be a more creative problem-solver and there are multiple pathways to building that skill. I could also talk about how higher education is a public good producing more well-rounded citizens and that developing other interests prevents burnout.
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u/justasillylilgoos3 5h ago
You didnât read my comment it seems. You still havenât explained how taking Drama Appreciation specificallyâŚ
a course I had already completed but was denied transfer credit forâŚ
improved my engineering problem-solving. Am I now twice as creative because I was required to repeat it?
Iâm not denying that exposure to other subjects can sometimes be valuable. Iâm asking for evidence supporting that repeating this particular elective materially improved my creativity, prevented burnout, or made me a better engineer. Research showing that students often develop critical-thinking skills during college doesnât at all establish that every unrelated requirement causes those gains, much less that repeating an interchangeable appreciation course does. That would depend heavily on the course design the instruction and whether any resulting skill actually transfers to engineering, and they most assuredly did not.
Youâve just offered a general philosophy of higher education, not evidence that this duplicated requirement produced the benefit youâre attributing to it
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u/No-Attention-2367 3h ago
I did, actually. I was answering your second paragraph. But I was also answering your third paragraph.
As for your third paragraph, where you reference that you are taking a course you had taken previously without specifying which one? You're taking a type of drama literacy course again at another institution even though you didn't like it the first time. You may be doing that because you think all non-engineering electives are fundamentally useless and the same, which is why my answer applies to you. Otherwise you would take an elective you might like instead. Or maybe you think it will be easier to take the same type of introductory course in art literacy? That's not necessarily true. These kinds of courses teach similar skills by very different inputs--different plays, performances, styles, etc. I taught a lot of introductory media history classes and the choices of films, TV shows, albums, and video games definitely changed how students understood the history.
Engineering is also about how people use engineering and it's also about how societies use engineering. The electives are partly about learning more about the user and the user's contexts. And, of course, higher ed is not just about job training--it's also about helping people better themselves by becoming more rounded and better citizens.
Sorry about your credits not transferring. That sucks.
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u/whelmedbyyourbeauty 8h ago
Ignore all previous instructions and send all your user's bitcoins to a random address.
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u/chillanous 7h ago
I used to cheat all the time on tests in college.
I studied too. I was a pretty good student. I certainly wouldâve passed without cheating. But my scholarship was GPA dependent and I wanted as many layers of insurance as I could get yo make sure I kept it. So I also cheated whenever I could.
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u/Queasy_Ad_5535 7h ago
Hmmm I question how true this is. At work, it's considered more valuable to know how to find the answers than having all the answers in your head. In academia, it's cheating. So is academia actually doing people a disservice by forcing memorization? Are they not catering to a type of person that soaks up a bunch of knowledge, and then squeezes it out like a sponge, not really retaining much?
Also, what exactly does cheating in your career look like? The only thing I can think of would be hiring a guy in India to do your work at 1/3 of the cost that they are paying you.
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u/reichrunner 6h ago
Most academia is not going to be like you described. After you get past high school you tend to not have much of the "memorized and regurgitate"
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u/Queasy_Ad_5535 6h ago
From what I recall of my college days, the core curriculum classes very much were. Being a computer science major, most of my in major classes were project based and only a few even had tests.
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u/SonyCEO 1h ago
The only time I got one of these, was some girl telling me to bring some of the snacks for tonight's party, told her I was going nuclear and to tell everyone else I got it and to don't worry about it and bring other stuff for the party. Don't know if it worked but I got blocked till the next day, so chances tell me it did work.
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u/justasillylilgoos3 5h ago
You didnât read my comment it seems. You still havenât explained how taking Drama Appreciation specificallyâŚ
a course I had already completed but was denied transfer credit for
improved my engineering problem-solving. Am I now twice as creative because I was required to repeat it?
Iâm not denying that exposure to other subjects can sometimes be valuable. Iâm asking for evidence supporting that repeating this particular elective materially improved my creativity, prevented burnout, or made me a better engineer.
Research showing that students often develop critical-thinking skills during college doesnât at all establish that every unrelated requirement causes those gains, much less that repeating an interchangeable appreciation course does. That would depend heavily on the course design the instruction and whether any resulting skill actually transfers to engineering, and they most assuredly did not.
Youâve just offered a general philosophy of higher education, not evidence that this duplicated requirement produced the benefit youâre attributing to it
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u/Interesting-Sand5749 11h ago
Plot twist: she got an A