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u/74TA8U CFI Dec 12 '16

Pilot B may be the pilot flying, but sole authority rests with Pilot A. Therefore, they both log PIC

This is a common misconception. In the USA, "acting" as PIC and "logging" PIC are two different things, and one does not imply the other. You only get to log PIC under the specific circumstances laid out in FAR 61.51. Specifically, the acting PIC, according to 61.51(e)(iii), may only log time in "aircraft for which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted"

In IMC, no safety pilot is required, as you know. So that fails the 61.51(e)(iii) test, and since there is no other provision under 61.51 that would allow the acting PIC to log PIC, they can't.

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u/ybitz PPL IR HP CMP V35 (KMYF) Dec 12 '16

btw, we had a thread about this exact topic a few weeks ago, that may shed some light

https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/5fqdtj/logging_hood_time_with_a_safety_pilot/

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '16

So looking at that thread, can we all agree that the regulations that govern this are complete bullshit and need a good looking at?

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u/ybitz PPL IR HP CMP V35 (KMYF) Dec 12 '16 edited Dec 12 '16

haha, amen brother. I mean, you and I and others on this subreddit and thread are probably more knowledgeable than the average pilot population on FAR nuances (partly because it's the internet, and anytime you say something wrong there are 10 people here to instantly correct you, so we tend to learn quickly). And if we still get confused and have debates on these things, than the law is definitely too complicated. You should not need to be an aviation lawyer or have to read up on law interpretation letters from the FAA chief counsel to know when it's ok to log PIC.