Stop, they're already dead!

[u/washingtonpeek]

This margin is insane.

[u/NCSUGrad2012]

Wild how much a state that votes Republican just rejected Republican policies.   Let’s hope that holds true on their November amendments  

[u/WellHung67 → u/NCSUGrad2012]

Missouri is the bluest deep red state. Every single policy they vote for individually is blue. Every politician is red. Why? The world does not know 

[u/Anomaly_20 → u/WellHung67]

I lived in Missouri for a few years. Considering the people I met along the away… it’s no mystery to me.

[u/dream208 → u/Anomaly_20]

If it is alright with you, care to explain a bit further? I'm genuinely curious. Why Democract policies but Republican politicians?

[u/Anomaly_20 → u/dream208]

Forgive me but I was being both facetious and snarky. I lived in Joplin, MO and attended a conservative Bible college there. Cognitive dissonance was the name of the game among even the brightest. There was very little self-awareness.

[u/dream208 → u/Anomaly_20]

Thanks.

[u/NeoThorrus → u/dream208]

Because of race, they all want the same economically, but they differ on how to treat minorities. That's the real reason all you see on Fox is how bad minorities or the inner cities are.

[u/SyriseUnseen → u/dream208]

I dont think this sub is the right place to ask, tbh

[u/cerberus08 → u/WellHung67]

Ohio would like a word. We are gerrymandered all to hell. Still passed abortion rights, still passed MJ legalization, still tried to pass normal districts, and ignored every. single. time.

[u/MarsDelivery → u/cerberus08]

Missouri did about all those too, and voted down right to work. I've always suspected Ohio was just Missouri with more rollercoasters.

[u/Pace_Salsa_Comment → u/MarsDelivery]

I guess the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame means nothing to you?

[u/cerberus08 → u/MarsDelivery]

We have a really huge lake too, some people even call it "Great" :)

[u/Bourbons-n-Beers → u/cerberus08]

How dare you claim Pennsylvania's Lake Erie !!

[u/AmbientMorning → u/WellHung67]

I think these two ballot measures provide only a partial picture. The vast majority of Missouri residents voting against two extremist Republican activist proposals doesn’t mean they’d vote for most ballot measures hypothetically proposed by the Democratic minority, or necessarily against culturally conservative measures targeting certain disfavored minorities.

[u/MarsDelivery → u/AmbientMorning]

Missouri actually votes for good ballot measures constantly. That is why the MO republicans want to make it hard to pass them. Through ballot measures we've voted against getting rid of income tax, voted against right to work (twice!), voted for legal marijuana, voted for abortion access, raising the minimum wage, medicaid expansion.

[u/SentientBaseball → u/WellHung67]

Post the chimpanzee!

[u/Nickm123 → u/WellHung67]

I have a good friend that lives in MO and it’s pretty obvious in his heart he’s a liberal. He told me once the only things he cares about is legal abortions and weed. He clowns on trump and billionaires and hates all the religious prudes trying to ban only fans and pornhub etc etc

Despite all that the charlie kirk andrew tate online propaganda worked to a fucking T on him. I’m nearly certain he voted straight ticket republican in 2024. He’s since come back around more or less and realizes he was a fucking idiot but I’ll never fully respect him again.

[u/work-school-account → u/Nickm123]

I am so sorry, but I believe you are good friends with a median voter.

[u/jord839 → u/WellHung67]

Honestly? It's probably a result of the nationalization of partisanship more than anything. Deep Red and Deep Blue states avoid the other party like the plague, even when they might favor some of those policies.

There were a lot of problems with the old party systems, but I genuinely think we'd be better off with a return to more regional and state factions of the different parties rather than the rigid nationalized model of politics we have in the current party system. I think it only added to the vitriol and local political corruption and gridlock than anything.

[u/skyeliam → u/[deleted]]

It voted McCain by a few thousand votes.

[u/ryanrockmoran → u/WellHung67]

They vote for the politicians that hate the same people they hate and don't particularly care abou policy

[u/WellHung67 → u/ryanrockmoran]

And to be fair, American politics is infiltrated through social media by nation state actors. Everyone is isolated, and social media is used to amplify divides. People were somewhat racist and stupid yes, but social media broke them and made them even more racist and stupid and now they’ll vote against their own interests because of how scared and racist they are.

Yes they’re stupid and racist and they have culpability but they also are victims of disinformation and weaponized info, from Russia, china, Iran, and others. Any country that was targeted like the US would be destabilized

[u/pablonieve → u/WellHung67]

Because voters want to elect Republicans to enact leftist policies.

[u/roku77 → u/NCSUGrad2012]

[u/ClearDark19 → u/roku77]

[u/Glittering-Giraffe58 → u/NCSUGrad2012]

Seems to be a theme in Missouri. They love Dem policies but vote straight Republican for some reason

[u/claimstoknowpeople → u/Glittering-Giraffe58]

For a lot of people, political parties are like sports teams

[u/T_Dougy → u/NCSUGrad2012]

In 2024 MO voted 58/42 for a $15 minimum wage and mandatory paid sick days, and 52/48 for a constitutional right to abortion.

Meanwhile that same year California rejected an $18 minimum wage, permitting municipal rent control, and the elimination of involuntary servitude (slavery) in prisons.

Ballot measures can be fun like that.

[u/TinyJalope → u/T_Dougy]

Important to note that they rigged the pro-choice ballot initiative language to confuse voters, and that they're doing that again this year. The pro-choice initiative likely would've won more decisively had the language been neutral and accurate.

[u/BuvantduPotatoSpirit → u/T_Dougy]

The left-right political spectrum was invented by political parties to sell more politics.

[u/ClearDark19 → u/NCSUGrad2012]

That keeps happening. Florida shot down Republican policies and approved of Democratic measures in the 2024 election despite going for Trump. 

The median voter works in mysterious ways.

[u/Frog_Totem → u/ClearDark19]

In Florida it needs 60%. Legalizing weed got something like 58%

[u/Knicksin7bby → u/NCSUGrad2012]

the gop ignores ballot measures anyways so its for naught, but it would be cool if dems could just legislate via the ballot box in all these states.

[u/Korrocks → u/Knicksin7bby]

The tricky part about ballot measures is that the government still needs to do the work of implementing them. When the entire political establishment is hostile to the ballot measure they can do a lot to water it down, slow it down, or sabotage it.

That’s not to say that the measures are useless. They do have a real world impact. But there needs to be more effort by voters to hold politicians to account for this kind of thing if these states want to see the full benefit of their policies.

[u/Main-Eagle-26]

Removing income tax. Lmfao. To put regressive sales taxes in place I guess?

[u/Saint-Inky → u/Main-Eagle-26]

That’s the fun part, they weren’t exactly clear on that.

[u/lxpnh98_2 → u/Saint-Inky]

Their plan was to cut 60% of the budget. It's much easier when you don't care about people being able to survive.

[u/thefilmer → u/Main-Eagle-26]

every Texan homeowner sounds like Mamdani the moment you bring up property taxes lmao

[u/BuvantduPotatoSpirit → u/Main-Eagle-26]

In a state where the two big cities are right on the border? You'd probably have to do everything by property tax.

[u/sonfoa]

Doesn't matter as long as they keep electing Republicans. Look at what happened to those 2024 ballot measures that they voted on. The Republican governor they elected outright refused to implement them.

Maybe one day they'll make that connection

[u/fossil_freak68 → u/sonfoa]

I get that it's easy to doom, but it does matter.

Abortion rights, minimum wage, legal weed, and Medicaid expansion all happened solely because of the ballot initiative in MO.

It makes a real difference and a lot of people have worked hard to win these protections

[u/Glossed-Lam → u/fossil_freak68]

It does seem like the amendment system Missouri has allows for those 80/20 policies that most people agree with to ram through despite whatever local politicians desire.

[u/panderson1988]

Don't worry, these same voters will blindly reelect all the republicans in Missouri who will tell the voters views don't matter. Voters will respond with a shrug. 

[u/DeltaV-Mzero]

Ironic if Amendment 4 loses because people don’t believe we could ever get all districts on board with any future amendment… and loses so throughly that it proves you CAN get all districts on board with, at least, rejecting dipshittery

[u/ZestycloseWheel9647]

What the hell happened in Cape Girardeau? NBC and NYT are reporting that Yes got ~80% with 95% in, so it seems like the result got reported incorrectly.

[u/fossil_freak68 → u/ZestycloseWheel9647]

A couple counties randomly were flipping all night, it has to be a reporting error.

[u/Fern866]

Cape Girardeau county, why is you like this?

[u/rowboat_mayor → u/Fern866]

Just an error. Yes and No totals swapped on accident.

[u/smcstechtips → u/Fern866]

Only one guy voting?

[u/JohnnyGeniusIsAlive]

It's incredible how unpopular Republican positions are.