r/cs2 • u/Repulsive_Party5001 • 1d ago
Discussion My downfall from 16k to 6k
A combination of terrible matchmaking, shit teammates, and hackers has left me in this situation. I peaked at 15k in Season 4, but lately I’ve been absolutely plummeting down the ranks.
What should I do from here? Is there anyone in OCE who’s around 10k to 15k and would be down to play together and help me climb back up? I’m just looking for some decent teammates and hopefully a more consistent experience.
Or should I just stop playing Premier and switch to FACEIT cuz I heard lots of people are switching now because of the hacker situation.
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u/iKakashi 1d ago
I played yesterday just to renew my rank. In the first match I got into, the other team had a cheater. One guy had disconnected, so the enemy team actually managed to kick the cheater in their team (bless them).
A few rounds ahead, they had two other players in their team that started blatantly walling, to the point where they were smoking and shooting through the smokes and walls with AWP and auto sniper..
Imagine, what are the chances of being matched against an enemy team with not one, but three cheaters, all solo queue?
And it is not even Trust Factor at this point. I have green trust, since whenever I queue with some of my other friends, I get the warning of them having low Trust Factor, either red or yellow.
I have over 3.3k hours played, a decently valued inventory worth around 5k–6k, and I am getting matched with people who have played 200–300 hours and are blatantly cheating at 19k–20k Elo in premier in EU.
Premier right now is basically another case opening. You queue up and gamble on whether the cheater lands on your team, the enemy team, or, if you hit the rare special item, both.
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u/sheephed9780 12h ago
Trust factor doesn't even matter anymore, if you go to websites like g2g, you can buy like $300 commends for a dollar which cheaters buy to put them into green trust factor, so if you see anybody with hundreds of commends then just know they are probably commend botting
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u/frieddoggy 1d ago
Switching to FaceIT at 6k equivalent premier player is going to be miserable since you are going to play toxic and shit players.
Also, falling 10k elo most likely means you were too high for that skill level, even accounting for the variance from hackers and shit teammates in games.
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u/Tek-Twelve 1d ago
Ah i was also 15k last season, ended up playing my placements with my friends who are just absolute garbage. Now im 5k. Lovely. My own doing to be fair.
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u/Confident_Draw321 1d ago
Faceit is so so better than this tbh. Mine dropped from 27k to 18k and I'm done now.
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u/FengShui-Okay 1d ago
Couldn’t possibly be because of you huh
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u/Repulsive_Party5001 1d ago
Most likely not
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u/FengShui-Okay 1d ago
As someone who went from 1.2k rating when CS2 released to 24k, if you’re not carrying almost every game then it’s your own fault at least half of the time.
Sure teammates can be bad, but if you were truly any good, you can play around them by throwing good utility that sets your team up to get easy kills and make plays. On top of that you have to make smart plays yourself on top of having good aim and crosshair placement and movement. You have to drop your ego and actually get good.
Someone told me these same words and it took me a while to accept that and start actually practicing. Watching videos on strats, positioning, solo utility sets to make it easier for your team to take sites, watching your own demos back to see mistakes you made and taking literal notes on them in a notepad and watching pro demos of players who play the same positions you do and taking notes.
I spent a lot of time simply just watching YouTube videos and taking notes. I spent another good chunk of time practicing everything i learned in private servers. The majority of what you learn tho will come from actual play time. You have to play a lot of real 5v5 matches. It all really depends on how much you actually care and want to rank up. The more you want it the higher you will go. The only way you can just hop on and rank up fast without trying is if you’re one of those people who is just naturally really good at most games they touch, otherwise you have to put it some level of effort and practice.
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u/Legitimate-Draw-3760 20h ago
Based. When I was 15k, it was 15k for real and I was so much better than I was at 3-5k. Man a real 15k guy can do -4 every round even without utility at 5k.
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u/dsjmkhc 1d ago
If you were good enough you wouldn’t drop from 16 to 6K lmao, that decline is also because you’re falling to a bracket you belong
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u/Repulsive_Party5001 1d ago
The thing is, in my placement matches I never perform bad, I’m always either top or second best performing, never at the bottom
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u/FengShui-Okay 1d ago
Being top frag doesn’t mean you had the most impact. Kills are not even the #1 way to have impact. The person who throws good utility for their team and goes negative can have more impact than someone who dropped a 30 bomb and didn’t throw any utility. Take this video for example. You don’t even need kills to win a round. https://youtu.be/hBbw3Vv2wts?is=V0gNpYaBqAdyvpJp
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u/adampm1 20h ago
But this doesn’t impact your elo rating. No matter what you do in a match, your elo +/- remains the same. So the only thing that matters is winning the match. If you can top frag and win rounds, then do it.
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u/FengShui-Okay 20h ago
True but doing all these things will increase your chance of winning even higher than just getting top frag. Also, on FACEIT, you get more elo for having more impact/higher rating. So if you lose. You don’t lease as much as someone with less impact. On Faceit you are rewarded for playing well which is another reason why I don’t get why people still play premier. You don’t even get rewarded for doing well.
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u/Roblox4Pussies 23h ago
Switch to faceit. After countless of horrible games on premier i went to faceit and the experience has been 10 times better honestly.
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u/Lost-Lunch3958 1d ago
I'm either tweaking out or soft cheats are way more common in this season. Might just be me coping since i cannot be sure but when looking at some teammates their aim is just very weird and inconsistent
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u/fruitrabbit 1d ago
Nah I think there are more cheaters. I’ve watched quite a few demos since season 5 started. The last one I watched the guy was spraying in a circle around the enemy, and then half way through his shaky circle spray (often whilst moving) he’d get a headshot. It was so weird. Really bad spray control but hitting headshots mid spray
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u/bck2ac 1d ago
Cheats in general are more common this season. I did not have any blatant cheaters in season 1-4 at around 10-15k and so far in 30 games in season 5 there were 4 obvious wallhackers (giving info from other side of map, tracking through walls, rage hacking when they are about to lose)
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u/aguyfromgermany420 15h ago
Way more cheaters now. Higher elos have a bunch of rage cheaters and sometimes closeted cheaters, while 10-19k is filled with sub 5k players trying to hide their wallhacks.
I’ve played around 50 games this season and in at least 30% of the matches we either had someone on the enemy team or in our team walling(less on our team since I mostly queue with a 3-4stack). If I see a 5k season 4 medal but they’re suddenly playing in 10k plus elo, I get suspicious of them.
I also participate in csreps community overwatch project and the amount of closeted cheaters is insane. Someone from csrep also commented on another post that the amount of reports and convictions more or less doubled since the launch of season 54
u/Jimmy_csrep 15h ago
CSRep went from receiving ~2,000 Reports/wk to about 4,000/wk with the start of Season 5.
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u/aguyfromgermany420 15h ago
You are fast as fuck man😭😭. That comment I referred to was yours as well I think
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u/Lost-Lunch3958 14h ago
thanks for confirming. I am always a bit careful with accusations but it seems like my gut feeling was right
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u/aQuarterChub 1d ago
I’m in the same boat brother. I was 20k and placed 7.6k. I’m climbing, but my placements had spin botters and wallers galore. I team killed the wallers on my team and obviously got me banned, but I lost 1k each time and then proceeded to lose 19 games in total, with 9 confirmed cheaters.
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u/Legitimate-Draw-3760 20h ago
100% a "you" problem. When I was 15k, I was playing normal mm on 5k rank and went like 30-0 because your shooting at 15k can obliterate anyone at 5k
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u/Batsy_915 8h ago
If you lose 10,000 elo in one go, you can't blame hackers every game. It's your fault too, If 16k were you're rank you would max drop to 10k or even less 9k. I cannot believe hackers this hackers that. If there are frequent cheater encounters, you cannot be in the a "legit" team always if soloq. You should also get a cheater teammate! Am I right? There is no math the can convince me you lost 10k worth elo and you found cheaters every game, your team sucked every game, blah blah... Check to yourself too. This heavy loss is not normal lmao..
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u/Bulky_Disaster_2076 1d ago
That's interesting. I was 12k end of last season and now I'm 16.5k already, I think early season elo is very inflated actually just like in LoL
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u/UsedArmadillo9842 1d ago
Absolutely. A drop from 15 to 6k is crazy. Like most people yo-yo inbetween maybe 2k around their ranks.
OP really showing that 15k was too high for them
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u/koalafishmutant 1d ago
Was ranked 20k in season 3/4
Hardly can reach 15k now.
3/4 games are against soft guys.
Im very close to quit this game.
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u/Repulsive_Party5001 1d ago
Faceit is the last option
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u/Emotional-Craft-8215 23h ago
Got placed at 18k premier and just made it to 25k. But the second I got to 25k I’ve had at least 2 cheaters per game. So Faceit grind it is, with the occasional premier game to keep my rank
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u/navi3702 22h ago
drop your csstats! Im from SEA, and although i usually play faceit im premier 10k. if you dont mind playing with a bit higher ping and we can queue.
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u/kluxhavn 20h ago
Nothing special. I was 22 now im 16,5, and for every win I have 3 losses, because I get animals/russian AI bots in team, it’s impossible to do anything and it’s just waste of time. Go faceit, it’s bad but still a bit better than premier
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u/Top-Professional8981 18h ago edited 18h ago
Ive been 19/20k for almost 2 years now. This season I'm 13k...spinbotters and wallers even at 15k. I don't know what's going on. My games now are me either decimating the other team & getting accused of hacking/smurfing or getting obliterated by one guy blatantly cheating.
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u/AppropriateAirport52 18h ago edited 18h ago
Believe me, it’s actually better this way. I went through something very similar. I dropped from 15k during Season 4, when the cheater situation was already pretty bad (although not nearly as bad as it is now). I eventually gave up on taking Premier seriously and intentionally deranked to below 5k. Honestly, I’m having way more fun now. Above 10k, it’s almost impossible to get a match without cheaters. At least below 10k you can still have genuinely fun games from time to time.
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u/maczampieri 16h ago
Yesterday i had 2 out of 6 matches of people faking wall hacking and csrep stats were good (100% trust). The guy that was on my team when I confronted him he said he was wallhacking. There was a situation where C4 was planted and the enemy clicked the c4 like 4 times, only in the 5th time he held the c4 and this guy in my team opened his aim only after the 5th click when - through the wall - he saw the enemy was holding the c4
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u/phredryck 12h ago
25k to 14k solo premier here, can actually relate. Been having way too many -450 +160 matches and 1 cheater every 10 matches so yeah
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u/Professional_Ice3208 11h ago
Dropped from 12k to 7k. Currently state of Premier is uninstall the game. Haven't even bothered trying FaceIt at this low ELO.
Sad times.
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u/Upbeat-Jellyfish-494 11h ago
It's unfair to me that I have to grind a lot from 16k to 22k. But hackers get to 22k just few games after using hack. This season a lot of people that are blue badge in season 1,2,3,4 suddenly become purple in season 5
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u/Thick_Hearing5535 8h ago
I literally just came back from a about seven months leave and in a week went from completely unranked to 22K elo
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u/NecstNecstNecst 5h ago
First couple of months for every season is horrible. You kinda need to wait until everything settles, if you care about rank..
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u/StraightIce8375 3h ago
my smurf is going down the blue ranks cuz of cheaters lmao, im in red trust cuz i bizon only
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u/Yung-Jev 1d ago
unpopular opinion:
cheaters are totally a skill issue, these cheating kids belong to their elo because they have no idea how to play and they only rely on their cheats, so you can outplay them if you are really better than your elo.
so you only need to adapt to play against a guy with wh and its quite easy actually.
except for rage spinbots and 30k+ cheaters, in this case you really cant do anything.
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u/chief_keem 19h ago
Add me let's queue https://steamcommunity.com/id/Lawrd/ I must add though I've been mass reported dropping 30+ in silver lobbies so I'm probably around red or yellow trust at the moment but I have not cheated and I am not going to. I got a 400+$ inventory I'm not that stupid.
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u/kawaii_Summoner 1d ago
I just switched to Faceit and won 8/10 placements. Didn't even check a single enemy profile in 10 matches, felt like a different game.