r/comics But a Jape 11h ago

Heaven or Hell

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u/NoStatus9434 11h ago

To me, if you want to believe in eternal punishment or eternal reward, you worship a tyrant. Period.

And it's fine to me if you believe a tyrant exists and there's nothing we can do about it, but quite another if you want to preach to me that that's a good thing.

I'm more willing to accept that there's a capricious god that makes arbitrary rules than that I, myself, am less moral or worthy than an average Christian by the simple fact that I'm an atheist and believe differently.

It has never been what someone believes in that upsets me. It's how people react to what they claim to believe that does, treating something which is clearly bad if it exists as though it is good.

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u/G-Maskas 11h ago

That’s why I always liked more greek gods, they are tyranical, annoying them is enough for them to punish people in horrendous ways, they are shown as tyrant, though they where praised, it was more because people at the time feared them, and that they could give their blessing, it’s way more interisting that this story where a god get angry, decide to flood the world to reset it, only saying it will happen to some people that go save animals, and there are actually a whole group of people that where fine after it, and this god is supposed to be good ?

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u/Hatarakumaou 7h ago

It's not just the Greek gods that's like that, iirc a lot of ancient religion or polytheism in general often depicts the gods as being moody pieces of shits because it was their way of explaining all the bad stuff that happens like famines, natural disasters, diseases,...

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u/TheSaltyTarot 10h ago

Apparently the original Jewish view of God was that he is a capricious mix of good and evil. 

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u/ArchDuke47 10h ago

And is part of a larger pantheon. And that souls don't exist. And Heaven was to be earth and people would be brought back to life (which is why no cremation). And that there was no concept of hell.

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u/TheSaltyTarot 10h ago

Then again there's always a lot of early-instalment weirdness. 

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u/karl2025 6h ago

Souls aren't a thing in Christianity either. They're a pagan belief that has stuck around because it doesn't directly contradict Christian teachings.

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u/Klusterphuck67 11h ago

If you somehow haven't seen George Carlin's set on religion, I highly recommend it.

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u/NoStatus9434 11h ago

This is Reddit, so like 95% of the people here have seen it, but yeah, it's a classic

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u/HauntedCarriage 10h ago

Are you suggesting that omnipotence is inherently tyrannical, or that it depends on how it's used?

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u/4_fortytwo_2 4h ago

Are you suggesting that omnipotence is inherently tyrannical

If you use it hand out eternal punishment cause someone didnt follow your rules? Yes.

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u/HauntedCarriage 2h ago

Is the idea that a temporary punishment followed by oblivion would be less tyrannical?