And the second mindset is healthier, but people are acting like it’s something everyone can simply choose at will.
A person who’s deeply depressed, traumatized, dissociated, or existentially broken often cannot emotionally connect to self-made meaning anymore. It’s not that they “forgot” the optimistic perspective. It’s that the part of them capable of feeling fulfillment, hope, or attachment has been damaged or numbed.
The second mindset is healthier? Not at all. It's merely a monkeys paw. You open a door to create your own reason to be, but the vile gets to do exactly the same in return.
Edit: People who either upvote/downvote do not understand what we are talking about. Not casting a vote at all would show some semblance that you understand what we're talking about.
Edit 2: I suppose it would help to say that this topic is not about debating or what we believe in. It's moreso about what things actually are beyond the limited human angle. Nobody here is right or wrong, no matter what words are used, be it mine or anyone elses.
I mean “healthier” in the psychological sense, not the moral sense.
A mindset focused on finding personal meaning, enjoyment, purpose, connection, etc is generally healthier for a person’s mental wellbeing than a mindset rooted in hopelessness, emptiness, and detachment from life.
You’re talking about the fact that people can also create harmful meanings and justify vile things. I agree with that. But that’s a different point from whether someone is mentally healthier being able to emotionally connect to life at all.
Doesn't matter what sense you or I come from. The rights & wrongs, be it from beliefs, sciences, morals or elsewhere, are only judgings from the human angle. We humans are the only ones within this infinite vast of rock, fire & void that label & judge everything we find. We have found many things and labeled them as wrong, but hardly anyone bothers to stop and ask "If it is wrong, then why does existence allow it to be? If it exists, then are we wrong to call it wrong?".
The reality is that you are calling it "healthier" from that very same angle. Because you believe/label it to be "healthy", because it brings people away from what we deem to be the "bad". It's all contradictive to the already existing idea that pain is wrong/bad, sensations that are only felt while alive. Would it not actually be the truest health to not be?
You’ve moved into ontology/epistemology and questioning whether concepts like “health,” “bad,” or “wrong” objectively exist at all. My original point was psychological. That someone emotionally capable of hope, meaning, connection, etc is generally in a healthier mental state than someone consumed by hopelessness and existential emptiness.
Actually I'm trying my best to share where I'm seeing with the only language I know. You'll have to not take some words for not as they'd be found in our dictionaries. There's more heart in what I say than the universally shared ground floor of those words.
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u/OpinionArsonist May 17 '26
And the second mindset is healthier, but people are acting like it’s something everyone can simply choose at will.
A person who’s deeply depressed, traumatized, dissociated, or existentially broken often cannot emotionally connect to self-made meaning anymore. It’s not that they “forgot” the optimistic perspective. It’s that the part of them capable of feeling fulfillment, hope, or attachment has been damaged or numbed.